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[Shannara13]

adam_grif wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Which need stationary way points to fly between. For instance, the citadel. You need another Mass Relay to "catch you" on the other end, aka the citadel.

If they can just fly back using this tech and don't actually need relays, why did the first game exist? Why was it a big deal that Sovreign couldn't activate the Citadel relay? Why don't they just cruise in like this every time? 

Do you see the problem?

Because using the Citadel gave them a back way in and a suprise attack where they can isolate the entire galaxy from each other. This allows them to take over with minimal to no resistance. If they have to fly in then they will have to face the combined armies of every other race which is not a prefered situation.

Right, but if they can just use this magical "Not regular FTL" propulsion to cross intergalactic distances in short periods of time, and there is no such thing as an FTL sensor, then they can just fly straight past everybody else and take the Citadel before  they can react, exactly like they can using the Citadel relay normally.

It's not like waiting to get here is a big problem since they're doing it now, and they have 50,000 years between cycles. Hell, if they can get to any old relay in the network they can get to the Citadel in minimal time anyway.

However since it is not premapped out they would essentially be jumping blindly forward. Which means they would not probably be able to use it once they hit the galaxy. But since there is nothing to hit in dark space they are free to use it all they want.

[IceTitan]

 The funny thing is everyone seems to be forgetting ingoring the surge in dark energy.
One of the Quarian system's sun is being altered by dark energy. Also many other references of surges of this same kind of energy popping up. 

I'm presuming that those events have something to do with the reapers. 
Also reapers have massive mass effect fields, which sort of throws laws of physics out of the window in a sense.


I'm fairly confident that the dark energies is part of their way back into the galaxy, possible back doors artificial suns maybe.

But anyways the dark energy and the reapers are tied together.

[Railstay]

Vanguard Alpha wrote...

They use the citadel to insta jump into the heart of galactic power, they then take out the galactic leaders, isolate the mass relays and terminate inter system communication. thus effectively isolating every system.. this enables them to swiftly and without opposition begin a campaign of harvesting.

However, now they seem to be traveling towards the galaxy in the "traditional" sense, which I assume would take a lot more time than using the insta Citadel relay. Also, they wont have that initial element of shock and awe of taking control of the citadel and people may notice several Drednought reaper fleets consiting of thousands of ships bearing upon them.

The first way is efficient, the second way is more time consuming but the end result is the same...

But this still doesn't answer how they are awake in the first place.  Sovereign's purpose wasn't to activate the mass relay in the Citadel -- it was to signal the Reapers that the time for conquest has come.  I thought we stopped him from doing that in the first one?  But at the end of the 2nd game they are awake and heading towards the Milky Way.

[MrGOH]

IceTitan wrote...

 The funny thing is everyone seems to be forgetting ingoring the surge in dark energy.
One of the Quarian system's sun is being altered by dark energy. Also many other references of surges of this same kind of energy popping up. 

I'm presuming that those events have something to do with the reapers. 
Also reapers have massive mass effect fields, which sort of throws laws of physics out of the window in a sense.


I'm fairly confident that the dark energies is part of their way back into the galaxy, possible back doors artificial suns maybe.

But anyways the dark energy and the reapers are tied together.

Heck, if I recall my Codex rightly, eezo and the mass effect deal heavily with dark energy as well. And eezo is formed by supernovae and pulsars,  and a rapidly aging star that's as massive as several of our suns looks  like a prime candidate for going supernova.... hmmm....

[adam_grif]

Giantevilhead wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
1. Except with Mass Effect Relays. Which the Reapers designed and made...

Which need stationary way points to fly between. For instance, the citadel. You need another Mass Relay to "catch you" on the other end, aka the citadel.

If they can just fly back using this tech and don't actually need relays, why did the first game exist? Why was it a big deal that Sovreign couldn't activate the Citadel relay? Why don't they just cruise in like this every time? 

Do you see the problem?

Just because people can get from New York to Los Angeles by driving doesn't make plane travel between the two cities obsolete.

The Citadel serves two purposes, it calls the Reapers back from dark space, and it controls all the mass relays in the galaxy. The whole point of taking the Citadel is to make the extermination of life in the galaxy easier and more efficient.

If the Reapers just flew into the Milky Way, it would take them much longer and the residents of the galaxy will be able to put up a much better defense. The Reapers may see themselves as gods but that doesn't mean they're willing to waste time and resources.

No, but that's only the case because people want to get there quickly. Reapers already wait for 50,000 years. All that happens is that they have to leave a few years earlier than usual. Otherwise there's no change. They'll get there at the same time either way.

Also, they can just reach any old unoccupied mass relay at any corner of the galaxy and use that to fly to the citadel faster than any response could get there. That gives them what, a few hours more preperation time? It takes them decades or centuries to wipe out galactic civilizations as it is. Adding a day on top of that is meaningless in context.

[Bigeyez]

Railstay wrote...

But this still doesn't answer how they are awake in the first place.  Sovereign's purpose wasn't to activate the mass relay in the Citadel -- it was to signal the Reapers that the time for conquest has come.  I thought we stopped him from doing that in the first one?  But at the end of the 2nd game they are awake and heading towards the Milky Way.

Huh? The whole point of Sovereign getting to the Citadel was to open the Relay in the Citadel letting all the Reapers use it to travel from dark space to the Citadel instantly.

We don't really know the Reapers were or are "sleeping" in dark space at all. Thats just what some characters guess in Mass Effect 1. For all we know they've been awake and in constant communication with each for a long time. We can even assume this is the case considering Harbinger knew about Sovereigns death.

[marshalleck]

Railstay wrote...

But this still doesn't answer how they are awake in the first place.  Sovereign's purpose wasn't to activate the mass relay in the Citadel -- it was to signal the Reapers that the time for conquest has come.  I thought we stopped him from doing that in the first one?  But at the end of the 2nd game they are awake and heading towards the Milky Way.

Sovereign's purpose was to signal the other Reapers and activate the Citadel relay, which was dormant. That was the point about the Keepers and the Protheans modifying them to ignore Sovereign's signal, which forced it to attempt other means of taking control of the Citadel.

[Bigeyez]

MrGOH wrote...

IceTitan wrote...

 The funny thing is everyone seems to be forgetting ingoring the surge in dark energy.
One of the Quarian system's sun is being altered by dark energy. Also many other references of surges of this same kind of energy popping up. 

I'm presuming that those events have something to do with the reapers. 
Also reapers have massive mass effect fields, which sort of throws laws of physics out of the window in a sense.


I'm fairly confident that the dark energies is part of their way back into the galaxy, possible back doors artificial suns maybe.

But anyways the dark energy and the reapers are tied together.

Heck, if I recall my Codex rightly, eezo and the mass effect deal heavily with dark energy as well. And eezo is formed by supernovae and pulsars,  and a rapidly aging star that's as massive as several of our suns looks  like a prime candidate for going supernova.... hmmm....

Dark Energy is what powers all Mass Effect technology. Mass Effect is the universes slang term for Dark Energy. Edit: In other words, FTL travel, the Mass Relays, Mass Accelators, all that good stuff, is powered by Dark Energy.

Modifié par Bigeyez, 02 février 2010 - 03:37 .

[adam_grif]

Shannara13 wrote...

However since it is not premapped out they would essentially be jumping blindly forward. Which means they would not probably be able to use it once they hit the galaxy. But since there is nothing to hit in dark space they are free to use it all they want.

The movement of stars and planets is totally predictable. You can accurately predict where distant stars will be in fifty billion years using relativity. The reapers have no shortage of computing power, something like that is trivial to overcome.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

KalReegar wrote...

Its obvious that the Reapers reproduce by harvesting the genetic material of the races they destroy. Hence why the current Reapers have tentacles. They last harvested the Protheans, who had tentacle faces. And thus they were now harvesting humans, because humanity is the greatest species to the Reapers, since one of their own kind was destroyed by humanity. To harvest their material would make the Reapers stronger. So the Reaper fleet now approaches, and if they succeed in their conquest, the next Reaper line will have the material of the asari, turians, salarians, elcor, humans, batarians and every other spacefaring race in the galaxy.

Actually, the process of making a Prothean Reaper shell failed.  It was alluded to as much by EDI.  The Collectors stealthily kidnapping aliens since the Asari found the Citadel is probably their attempts at making a viable Reaper shell.

And it wasn't until the humans came into the picture that they found a viable race to use to make the Reaper shell, like the thousands of species that came before the Protheans.

Dardove wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

Ninjawaffle23
wrote...


I guess that makes sense. I just figure with them
being super computer gods they would have soem kind of fail safe or at
leats a plan B...
If they are coiming here personally they're gonna
be  piiiiiiissed...well as pissed as an "Old Machine" can be...

Presumably
their Plan B is what we take down in ME 2.

Wouldn't
that have been Plan C? I thought Plan A was the keepers activate the
citadel once everything is ready for the Reapers, but the promethans
disabled that. So Plan B was ME1.

 

Plan A involved the Rachni.  The Rachni were used just like the Collectors are being used.  I'm going to assume that the initial plan was to have the Rachni fight their way to the Citadel and activate the Mass Relay that links it to Dark Space so the Reapers could come.  Then the Krogan were discovered and were used to clean house.

Plan B involed the Geth, but they lacked the numbers since not all of the Geth went along with the plan.

Plan C came around when Saren came into the picture.  They wouldn't need all of the Geth to fight their way to the Citadel since they planned on using Saren's Spectre status against the galaxy.

Plan D involved using the Collectors to step up their game in Reaper shell creation by the mass kidnapping of humans.

Plan E involves manually traveling to the Milky Way galaxy.  I'm going to assume that they're able to reach speeds comparable to the Relay's., so they would arrive in a few short years, especially since they were probably (slowly) making their way toward the galaxy in the time since Soverign's defeat instead of moving toward their Trojan Relay.

[Railstay]

Bigeyez wrote...

Railstay wrote...

But this still doesn't answer how they are awake in the first place.  Sovereign's purpose wasn't to activate the mass relay in the Citadel -- it was to signal the Reapers that the time for conquest has come.  I thought we stopped him from doing that in the first one?  But at the end of the 2nd game they are awake and heading towards the Milky Way.

Huh? The whole point of Sovereign getting to the Citadel was to open the Relay in the Citadel letting all the Reapers use it to travel from dark space to the Citadel instantly.

We don't really know the Reapers were or are "sleeping" in dark space at all. Thats just what some characters guess in Mass Effect 1. For all we know they've been awake and in constant communication with each for a long time. We can even assume this is the case considering Harbinger knew about Sovereigns death.

Unless everything Vigil (the prothean VI in ME1) said was just conjecture, then it is indeed true that the Reapers hibernate in dark space.  They do so to ensure that they will not be detected, and also to conserve fuel.  It makes sense.  If you destroyed all galactic civilization, took all their technology and wiped out all sapient organic life, what point is there to just sit around and burn fuel?  So Vigil's claim that they hibernate makes a lot of sense.

Also, if they didn't sleep, than the role of Sovereign would be completely pointless.  Sovereign's job was to remain in the galaxy, hibernate and wake up every thousand years or so to see the state of development that organic beings had reached.

[mintek]

Giantevilhead wrote...
If the Reapers just flew into the Milky Way, it would take them much longer and the residents of the galaxy will be able to put up a much better defense. The Reapers may see themselves as gods but that doesn't mean they're willing to waste time and resources.

They pretty much have no choice but taking the citadel. Mass effect is a  fictional world but stuff like FTL speed can be accounted for in real life. Its even been said in mass effect 1, Because FTL speed is to slow (which it is if such a thing would exist in real life) the mass effect civilisations only have around 1% of our galaxy mapped as the only thing they can travel to is cluster near mass relays. Without mass relay we go no where we die before we could reach any meaningful locations. Reaper travel at FTL speed outside of mass relay meaning they cant attack by just flying in there need a relay otherwise they are gona take a 100k years trip to even get here and their cycle of extinction is 50k, doesent leave them much time to chill in dark space. Every single action reapers have taken so far is indirect in a way to retake the citadel from us, rachni/geth army/ human reaper, the 3rd one will be such a plot again but it will be defeated in a way that will seal the repear definitivly from our galaxie. Vigil tell us he thinks the reaper were getting desperate thats why sovereign attacked the cidatel himself, unlike his previous attacks.

[Bigeyez]

Railstay wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

Railstay wrote...

But this still doesn't answer how they are awake in the first place.  Sovereign's purpose wasn't to activate the mass relay in the Citadel -- it was to signal the Reapers that the time for conquest has come.  I thought we stopped him from doing that in the first one?  But at the end of the 2nd game they are awake and heading towards the Milky Way.

Huh? The whole point of Sovereign getting to the Citadel was to open the Relay in the Citadel letting all the Reapers use it to travel from dark space to the Citadel instantly.

We don't really know the Reapers were or are "sleeping" in dark space at all. Thats just what some characters guess in Mass Effect 1. For all we know they've been awake and in constant communication with each for a long time. We can even assume this is the case considering Harbinger knew about Sovereigns death.

Unless everything Vigil (the prothean VI in ME1) said was just conjecture, then it is indeed true that the Reapers hibernate in dark space.  They do so to ensure that they will not be detected, and also to conserve fuel.  It makes sense.  If you destroyed all galactic civilization, took all their technology and wiped out all sapient organic life, what point is there to just sit around and burn fuel?  So Vigil's claim that they hibernate makes a lot of sense.

Also, if they didn't sleep, than the role of Sovereign would be completely pointless.  Sovereign's job was to remain in the galaxy, hibernate and wake up every thousand years or so to see the state of development that organic beings had reached.

Everything Vigil said was just conjecture. I think you missed my point though. Sovereign isn't needed to wake the rest of the Reapers. Obviously if he woke himself from hibernation the other Reapers can do the same. His only real goal in taking the Citadel was to open the Mass Relay and let all the other Reapers swarm in, after which they would lock out the Mass Relays for all other lifeforms.

Modifié par Bigeyez, 02 février 2010 - 03:41 .

[Giantevilhead]

adam_grif wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
1. Except with Mass Effect Relays. Which the Reapers designed and made...

Which need stationary way points to fly between. For instance, the citadel. You need another Mass Relay to "catch you" on the other end, aka the citadel.

If they can just fly back using this tech and don't actually need relays, why did the first game exist? Why was it a big deal that Sovreign couldn't activate the Citadel relay? Why don't they just cruise in like this every time? 

Do you see the problem?

Just because people can get from New York to Los Angeles by driving doesn't make plane travel between the two cities obsolete.

The Citadel serves two purposes, it calls the Reapers back from dark space, and it controls all the mass relays in the galaxy. The whole point of taking the Citadel is to make the extermination of life in the galaxy easier and more efficient.

If the Reapers just flew into the Milky Way, it would take them much longer and the residents of the galaxy will be able to put up a much better defense. The Reapers may see themselves as gods but that doesn't mean they're willing to waste time and resources.

No, but that's only the case because people want to get there quickly. Reapers already wait for 50,000 years. All that happens is that they have to leave a few years earlier than usual. Otherwise there's no change. They'll get there at the same time either way.

Also, they can just reach any old unoccupied mass relay at any corner of the galaxy and use that to fly to the citadel faster than any response could get there. That gives them what, a few hours more preperation time? It takes them decades or centuries to wipe out galactic civilizations as it is. Adding a day on top of that is meaningless in context.

It's unlikely that the journey will take them just a few years. It'll probably take hundreds, maybe thousands of years. As for how much the galaxy can change during that time, we don't know what conditions have to be met before the Reapers decide to invade. We don't even really know why the Reapers do all this. If it's part of some kind of grand experiment on the part of the Reapers then there may very well be a certain span of time when they have to begin the extermination in order to get the optimal results they want.

The mass relays in the galaxy can't connect directly to the Citadel. If the Reapers just reached a mass relay on the edge of the galaxy, they would still have to jump through several mass relays to get to the Citadel. That would alert the inhabitants of the galaxy and give them a chance to defend themselves.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

mintek wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
If the Reapers just flew into the Milky Way, it would take them much longer and the residents of the galaxy will be able to put up a much better defense. The Reapers may see themselves as gods but that doesn't mean they're willing to waste time and resources.

They pretty much have no choice but taking the citadel. Mass effect is a  fictional world but stuff like FTL speed can be accounted for in real life. Its even been said in mass effect 1, Because FTL speed is to slow (which it is if such a thing would exist in real life) the mass effect civilisations only have around 1% of our galaxy mapped as the only thing they can travel to is cluster near mass relays. Without mass relay we go no where we die before we could reach any meaningful locations. Reaper travel at FTL speed outside of mass relay meaning they cant attack by just flying in there need a relay otherwise they are gona take a 100k years trip to even get here and their cycle of extinction is 50k, doesent leave them much time to chill in dark space. Every single action reapers have taken so far is indirect in a way to retake the citadel from us, rachni/geth army/ human reaper, the 3rd one will be such a plot again but it will be defeated in a way that will seal the repear definitivly from our galaxie. Vigil tell us he thinks the reaper were getting desperate thats why sovereign attacked the cidatel himself, unlike his previous attacks.

Considering that the Reapers built the Relays, it's obvious that they'd be able to reach comparable speeds.  The Relay's are just used as roads to get where they're going.  They check the Citadel to see which Relay's have been turned on and which Relays connect to solar systems that are colonized by life advanced enough for their needs. 

Without the Relays, searching every single star system in the galaxy would take entirely too long, and it's likey that the search would burn out their resources, not the travel.

[mintek]

Bigeyez wrote...

Railstay wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

Railstay wrote...

But this still doesn't answer how they are awake in the first place.  Sovereign's purpose wasn't to activate the mass relay in the Citadel -- it was to signal the Reapers that the time for conquest has come.  I thought we stopped him from doing that in the first one?  But at the end of the 2nd game they are awake and heading towards the Milky Way.

Huh? The whole point of Sovereign getting to the Citadel was to open the Relay in the Citadel letting all the Reapers use it to travel from dark space to the Citadel instantly.

We don't really know the Reapers were or are "sleeping" in dark space at all. Thats just what some characters guess in Mass Effect 1. For all we know they've been awake and in constant communication with each for a long time. We can even assume this is the case considering Harbinger knew about Sovereigns death.

Unless everything Vigil (the prothean VI in ME1) said was just conjecture, then it is indeed true that the Reapers hibernate in dark space.  They do so to ensure that they will not be detected, and also to conserve fuel.  It makes sense.  If you destroyed all galactic civilization, took all their technology and wiped out all sapient organic life, what point is there to just sit around and burn fuel?  So Vigil's claim that they hibernate makes a lot of sense.

Also, if they didn't sleep, than the role of Sovereign would be completely pointless.  Sovereign's job was to remain in the galaxy, hibernate and wake up every thousand years or so to see the state of development that organic beings had reached.

Everything Vigil said was just conjecture. I think you missed my point though. Sovereign isn't needed to wake the rest of the Reapers. Obviously if he woke himself from hibernation the other Reapers can do the same. His only real goal in taking the Citadel was to open the Mass Relay and let all the other Reapers swarm in, after which they would lock out the Mass Relays for all other lifeforms.

Pretty much, all we know is that they cant reach us directly without that relay, otherwise they would have done it long ago. Perhaps they are even working against a time line which is why soveign actions apeared like desperation to vigil. He put his life on the line for the first time to attack the citadel when he used to always work via agents before. The last line from harbinger at the end of me2 just shows the same idea, wel will find another way. They obiviously arent talking about attacking the galaxie themself, thats not finding another way thats just what they should be doing. They are trying to find another way to open the relay.

[Paragonsheperd]

Ninjawaffle23 wrote...

If i remeber correctly the whole purpose of ME1 was stopping 'Nazara'  from openng up a mass relay to send in the reapers. And of course, we stopped it.

Fast forward to ME2 blow up baby arnold and then...the reapers come in anyways?

So if teh reapers can just fly in at anytime they please why the **** did they leave soveriegn to bring them back?! wouldn't it make more sense to come in and suprise rape the galaxy? doesn't make sense.

I'm gonna ninja in here Just read the OP and don't feel like reading the 6+ pages of this stuff but i figured i'd put my 2 cents in.
The Reapers first off want to "cut the head off the snake."  The reason they leave a lone reaper behind is so that they can accomplish this. Clearly that didn't work in ME1 so i assumed they would just fly in from dark space, which it looks like they are doing just that.
Why didn't they do this originally? They would lose the element of suprise VERY quickly. Would this matter in the end based on all their numbers? I would guess not, but it does give the galaxy a fighting chance to survive and the reapers apparently do not want that.
You owe me 2 cents.

Modifié par Paragonsheperd, 02 février 2010 - 03:48 .

[mintek]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Considering that the Reapers built the Relays, it's obvious that they'd be able to reach comparable speeds.  The Relay's are just used as roads to get where they're going.  They check the Citadel to see which Relay's have been turned on and which Relays connect to solar systems that are colonized by life advanced enough for their needs. 

Without the Relays, searching every single star system in the galaxy would take entirely too long, and it's likey that the search would burn out their resources, not the travel.

The fact that they built the relay doesent mean their body can move at that speed, if they could they would instantly be in the galaxie and not need the citadel. They cant its as simple as that. They need the relay activated to travel at this speed like any ship. Look at it this way, just because your car can go over 100km doesent mean you can on foot. Same for the reaper because their technologie makes it possible doesent mean they can do it themself.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Giantevilhead wrote...


It's unlikely that the journey will take them just a few years. It'll probably take hundreds, maybe thousands of years. As for how much the galaxy can change during that time, we don't know what conditions have to be met before the Reapers decide to invade. We don't even really know why the Reapers do all this. If it's part of some kind of grand experiment on the part of the Reapers then there may very well be a certain span of time when they have to begin the extermination in order to get the optimal results they want.

The mass relays in the galaxy can't connect directly to the Citadel. If the Reapers just reached a mass relay on the edge of the galaxy, they would still have to jump through several mass relays to get to the Citadel. That would alert the inhabitants of the galaxy and give them a chance to defend themselves.

If the journey took thousands of years, Reapers wouldn't be a threat to the current galactic civilization.  Hell, in that time, the galaxy itself could advance far enough to challenge the Reapers.

If someone could hop from one end of the galaxy to the other in a few short days using the Relay network, what makes you think that the Reapers, the machines that created the Mass Relays don't possess the technology to hurl themselves as fast as the Relays hurl objects?

The Mass Relays in the galaxy don't directly link to the Citadel (except for the mini Relay in Illos), but there's a Mass Relay in Dark Space that links directly to the Citadel (as the Citadel itself is an inactive Relay that works in conjuction with the Dark Space Relay).

The Reapers, once in the galaxy, would only need the Citadel to map out where they would go to initiate their extinction event.  They wouldn't need it to travel.

[Giantevilhead]

mintek wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...
If the Reapers just flew into the Milky Way, it would take them much longer and the residents of the galaxy will be able to put up a much better defense. The Reapers may see themselves as gods but that doesn't mean they're willing to waste time and resources.

They pretty much have no choice but taking the citadel. Mass effect is a  fictional world but stuff like FTL speed can be accounted for in real life. Its even been said in mass effect 1, Because FTL speed is to slow (which it is if such a thing would exist in real life) the mass effect civilisations only have around 1% of our galaxy mapped as the only thing they can travel to is cluster near mass relays. Without mass relay we go no where we die before we could reach any meaningful locations. Reaper travel at FTL speed outside of mass relay meaning they cant attack by just flying in there need a relay otherwise they are gona take a 100k years trip to even get here and their cycle of extinction is 50k, doesent leave them much time to chill in dark space. Every single action reapers have taken so far is indirect in a way to retake the citadel from us, rachni/geth army/ human reaper, the 3rd one will be such a plot again but it will be defeated in a way that will seal the repear definitivly from our galaxie. Vigil tell us he thinks the reaper were getting desperate thats why sovereign attacked the cidatel himself, unlike his previous attacks.

But the Reaper's FTL technology is millions of years more advanced than the rest of the galaxy. Even if they can't travel very fast, it's likely that their engines are much more efficient. The Reapers have to be able to survive a trip that long, otherwise there would have been no way for them to put a mass relay in dark space in the first place.

[mrs_anomaly]

Ninjawaffle23 wrote...

vashts1985 wrote...

FTL travel =/= relay travel.

because the reapers could not use the relay's, they have to rely on FTL travel from deep space. this takes a significantly longer amount of time to do. we are talking years perhaps.

the citadel relay is one of convenience for the reapers, as much as it is a trap. without being able to use it, their conquest of the galaxy is not only delayed, but made a bit more difficult

Well this would make sense except for the fact that if the reapers can wait 50 million years, they can't wait another 2 years to get her? I mean they were still pretty far but if they're goin FTL they'll make it pretty quick.

This issue with more time btwn harvesting is the advancement of the organics. Better and higher technology and more time for organics to investigate the past and figure out the whole program before getting attacked.
The more years the organics have to potentially prepare, the harder it is for the Reapers. And we all know how they prefer to be the big shark and bully lol. Having a REAL threat against them is just too much for the Reapers.

[adam_grif]

Giantevilhead wrote...


It's unlikely that the journey will take them just a few years. It'll probably take hundreds, maybe thousands of years. As for how much the galaxy can change during that time, we don't know what conditions have to be met before the Reapers decide to invade. We don't even really know why the Reapers do all this. If it's part of some kind of grand experiment on the part of the Reapers then there may very well be a certain span of time when they have to begin the extermination in order to get the optimal results they want.

The mass relays in the galaxy can't connect directly to the Citadel. If the Reapers just reached a mass relay on the edge of the galaxy, they would still have to jump through several mass relays to get to the Citadel. That would alert the inhabitants of the galaxy and give them a chance to defend themselves.

Well, Sovreign was still trying to activate the relay as of ME1, which means they must have still been waiting near their relay as of 2 years ago. Fast forward 2 years and they're geteting closer to the Milky Way. ME3 will take place a few years in the future once again, so the trip will take less than 10 years max.

Also, Mass relay travel is the fastest travel. There are no FTL sensors, and relay jumps take only a very short period of time. A fleet of Reaper ships will encounter no real resistance on their way to the citadel,which will take days at the very most (I get the impression that mass relay travel is very fast, but we've never been given exact numbers).

They get the Citadel so they can shut down the Network, yeah? The added warning isn't going to do jack ****e to stop the Reapers anyway, because they already take hundreds or thousands of ytears to wipe out galactic civilizations, yes? That's why Ilos failed, because the cryo systems lost power after taking hundreds or thousands of years for the reapers to finally pack up and leave?

[KBGeller]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...


It's unlikely that the journey will take them just a few years. It'll probably take hundreds, maybe thousands of years. As for how much the galaxy can change during that time, we don't know what conditions have to be met before the Reapers decide to invade. We don't even really know why the Reapers do all this. If it's part of some kind of grand experiment on the part of the Reapers then there may very well be a certain span of time when they have to begin the extermination in order to get the optimal results they want.

The mass relays in the galaxy can't connect directly to the Citadel. If the Reapers just reached a mass relay on the edge of the galaxy, they would still have to jump through several mass relays to get to the Citadel. That would alert the inhabitants of the galaxy and give them a chance to defend themselves.

If the journey took thousands of years, Reapers wouldn't be a threat to the current galactic civilization.  Hell, in that time, the galaxy itself could advance far enough to challenge the Reapers.

If someone could hop from one end of the galaxy to the other in a few short days using the Relay network, what makes you think that the Reapers, the machines that created the Mass Relays don't possess the technology to hurl themselves as fast as the Relays hurl objects?

The Mass Relays in the galaxy don't directly link to the Citadel (except for the mini Relay in Illos), but there's a Mass Relay in Dark Space that links directly to the Citadel (as the Citadel itself is an inactive Relay that works in conjuction with the Dark Space Relay).

The Reapers, once in the galaxy, would only need the Citadel to map out where they would go to initiate their extinction event.  They wouldn't need it to travel.

Also, they only need to make it to the first relay in the galaxy or maybe there is more than one in dark space to get to the citadel. In millions of years, you would think that they would have a backup plan.

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mintek wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Considering that the Reapers built the Relays, it's obvious that they'd be able to reach comparable speeds.  The Relay's are just used as roads to get where they're going.  They check the Citadel to see which Relay's have been turned on and which Relays connect to solar systems that are colonized by life advanced enough for their needs. 

Without the Relays, searching every single star system in the galaxy would take entirely too long, and it's likey that the search would burn out their resources, not the travel.

The fact that they built the relay doesent mean their body can move at that speed, if they could they would instantly be in the galaxie and not need the citadel. They cant its as simple as that. They need the relay activated to travel at this speed like any ship. Look at it this way, just because your car can go over 100km doesent mean you can on foot. Same for the reaper because their technologie makes it possible doesent mean they can do it themself.

You honestly think they wouldn't have modified their shells in order to reach Relay speeds, assuming they weren't able to do so beforehand?  They need the Citadel to get data on where civilizations are set up in the galaxy to make their extinction event more efficient.  Since they always attack after the same set amount of time, it's safe to assume that they're low on resources when they come back to attack, so wandering the galaxy for tens of thousands of years to kill off all advanced life is a waste.

And if you don't think it'd take tens of thousands of years, think about this: it takes them a few centuries to purse the galaxy of advanced life when they KNOW WHERE EVERYONE IS.

[mintek]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...


It's unlikely that the journey will take them just a few years. It'll probably take hundreds, maybe thousands of years. As for how much the galaxy can change during that time, we don't know what conditions have to be met before the Reapers decide to invade. We don't even really know why the Reapers do all this. If it's part of some kind of grand experiment on the part of the Reapers then there may very well be a certain span of time when they have to begin the extermination in order to get the optimal results they want.

The mass relays in the galaxy can't connect directly to the Citadel. If the Reapers just reached a mass relay on the edge of the galaxy, they would still have to jump through several mass relays to get to the Citadel. That would alert the inhabitants of the galaxy and give them a chance to defend themselves.

If the journey took thousands of years, Reapers wouldn't be a threat to the current galactic civilization.  Hell, in that time, the galaxy itself could advance far enough to challenge the Reapers.

If someone could hop from one end of the galaxy to the other in a few short days using the Relay network, what makes you think that the Reapers, the machines that created the Mass Relays don't possess the technology to hurl themselves as fast as the Relays hurl objects?

The Mass Relays in the galaxy don't directly link to the Citadel (except for the mini Relay in Illos), but there's a Mass Relay in Dark Space that links directly to the Citadel (as the Citadel itself is an inactive Relay that works in conjuction with the Dark Space Relay).

The Reapers, once in the galaxy, would only need the Citadel to map out where they would go to initiate their extinction event.  They wouldn't need it to travel.

Because they cant go at that speed without the relay by themself its that simple. They have a relay in dark space that links to the citadel, its like a straigh line and it goes faster then the speed they can achieve on their own. Reapers have ship limitation, otherwise we would never have killed sorveign in me1. The relay of the galaxie doesent directly go to the citadel because it would kinda unfoild their plan before it even started lol.