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[ABCoLD]

hbk0 wrote...

Also I don't see anything wrong with Bioware leave the option out. Even if it's half way done, it's totally reasonable they deem it not fit in the character or their design. We can't guess their motives for doing so because we are not the developers. And it's their freedom to create anything. Leaving the option out doesn't mean they are against or it's their fault because they don't have the obligation to cater everyone.

Just to address a single point in your post, if they had the voice acting done and implemented in the game, it's fairly safe to say it was a part of their design.  It's not like people are finding random voice clips of Shepard interacting with a random space cow about the price of milk.... they don't include random bits and odd adlibs of voice acting in the game files.  Everything in them is (generally) very deliberately placed there for a purpose....

Well, at least it was originally in their design, and fairly far along into the design process to get voice acted and such... but then something happened.  Wonder what.

[Jimmy Fury]

Goth Skunk wrote...
I really like this point. As I mentioned before, I suspect the reason for inclusion in one and not the other may be a test of tolerance from the customer base, with DA:O as the variable and ME2 as the control..

If that's true I'm disappointed.
Not at the choice but because a company so good at SciFi would use such bad science...
(to be read in the voice of a certain squad member...)
Variable and control groups that use completely different genres where the control group has a pre-existing fanbase and therefore will automatically garner higher sales than the new series. flawed data. bad science. Needs more tests.

[hbk0]

ABCoLD wrote...

hbk0 wrote...

Also I don't see anything wrong with Bioware leave the option out. Even if it's half way done, it's totally reasonable they deem it not fit in the character or their design. We can't guess their motives for doing so because we are not the developers. And it's their freedom to create anything. Leaving the option out doesn't mean they are against or it's their fault because they don't have the obligation to cater everyone.

Just to address a single point in your post, if they had the voice acting done and implemented in the game, it's fairly safe to say it was a part of their design.  It's not like people are finding random voice clips of Shepard interacting with a random space cow about the price of milk.... they don't include random bits and odd adlibs of voice acting in the game files.  Everything in them is (generally) very deliberately placed there for a purpose....

Well, at least it was originally in their design, and fairly far along into the design process to get voice acted and such... but then something happened.  Wonder what.

It's not something unsual in game development cycle just to remind you.
Well, if you think that's fairly far, check out resident evil 1.5 and resident evil 2 and you will see what I mean. They'd even developed the game for a whole year and scrapped it. As I said, whatever reason is behind is their decision, we don't know as we are not them. But if they somehow decided not to include it, it's their final call, not ours.

[kaealy]

BrianWilly wrote...

hbk0 wrote...
Yes Bioware pre-designed lesbian romance. But that doesn't mean Bioware HAS TO do the same thing to male Shepard.

And you are absolutely right, in Bioware's design, there's no option for Shepard being gay. It's just simple as that. If it's not in the game, it's not because of their negligence, it's apparently a decision on purpose.

And why should we not voice our disapproval with that decision, especially if we consider it to have been brought about by juvenile attitudes or pandering to the lowest common denominator? 

Consider the fact that they had written and recorded dialogue for a gay male romance, and had it sufficiently scripted enough that some random modder on Das Internets could recreate it almost perfectly.  The fact that they'd pretty much gone through with it only to rescind at the last minute, along with the fact that there is a lesbian romance but not a gay male one, in addition to the lack of male or female homosexual options in ME2 despite six new romances -- several of which are interspecies -- makes the ME team come across as very juvenile and exclusionary.

And that's even disregarding that EA itself doesn't seem to have any problems with this sort of content in their games, such as the hugely popular Sims franchise.  And we're all aware of Bioware's stellar history with this sort of thing.  The onus falls on the Mass Effect team and them alone.

Haha is it wrong to burst out laughing at the conversation between shepard and kaiden? I'm surely it offends someone in times like this when so many are offended by so little. If so, I'm deeply sorry.

[BrianWilly]

ABCoLD wrote...

Well, at least it was originally in their design, and fairly far along into the design process to get voice acted and such... but then something happened.  Wonder what.

I believe some dev or another at one point cited "lack of time" as a factor but, honestly, that always felt a bit bunk to me.  It's not like the ME1 romances had some kind of amazingly epic breadth and scope that was threatening to overwhelm production or something; again, some random, unpaid modder was able to implement this one scene in...what, a couple of days?  A week tops?  And then consider that they evidently found the time to implement six new romances for ME2, along with space toilets, space fish, and space garbage chutes...it's hard to imagine that they couldn't have found the time to do a gay romance if they really wanted to, especially since you hardly ever have to alter the dialogue between male and female romance paths.  That youtube scene I posted just had Mark Meer reading what FemShep would have said to Kaidan, and evidently it's the same for FemShep and Ashley.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 02 février 2010 - 07:22 .

[Wittand25]

If the reason there are no homosexual romances in game is really just a lack of time Bioware can add them now throug a patch. They need the voiceactors to record new lines for any DLC anyway so that recording of the lines would not cause extra cost. Lots of games today get free contentpatches of features that were not finished at release but should have been part of the game.

And Bioware themself have set a precedent for altering a npc´s sexual orientation through a patch when they turned Juhani from bisexual to lesbian in Kotor.

[Kileyan]

Who is this gay Sheperd, he got a brother we don't know about?

[Ninja Mage]

 My shepard still wants a male to romance while fighting the bad guys....kind of sad you had to lock the other one down Bioware. Just give me the option. A poster already created a PC option by changing one line of code to get rid of gender flags.

[madskillet]

The Angry One wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

NO. Shepard is not a fruit.

Ironic considering the default for ManShep is an effete Dutch male model.

it's a face....

[madskillet]

yhibiki wrote...

For anybody who thinks people are just being whiners... Try to pretend, for a second, that the game featured only gay romances. And then see how willing you'd be to say it doesn't matter, or that it's just a game.

one is normal, one isn't(one is a chemical imbalance in the brain). can't compare that at all.

Modifié par madskillet, 02 février 2010 - 09:37 .

[Ninja Mage]

madskillet wrote...

yhibiki wrote...

For anybody who thinks people are just being whiners... Try to pretend, for a second, that the game featured only gay romances. And then see how willing you'd be to say it doesn't matter, or that it's just a game.

one is normal, one isn't(one is a chemical imbalance in the brain). can't compare that at all.

It isn't a chemical imbalance in the brain as discussed by institution of Psychology since 1975. It's a GAME...grow up and let other people have romances. You would be complaining to high heaven if Garrus was the only person you could romance. You're so hypocritical and bigoted.

[OrbitalWings]

This has probably already been mentioned, but I thought I'd better post it just in case.

Bioware's attitude to gay-friendly forum topics is getting noticed...

arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/bioware-locking-down-gay-friendly-forum-topics-again.ars

[prof-waffles]

including it right now would break the established commander shepard from mass effect 1. there are many games with sexual relationships that never acknowledge gay relationships, and bioware even included homosexual romances in dragon age.

every bioware game is unique and indentifiable and the establishment in the mass effect universe that it not be discussed is not an act of anti-LBGT, but a separate framed universe that already managed sex in a very mature fashion. trying to bring in this controversy would break that frame and i think rational people can do without this issue with just one game.

if you're fixated and distraught on this issue, then you're not really a mass effect fan and playing and fixating on it for the wrong reasons.

i'd say let bioware do what they will with the design. it's not about the romance, it's about the whole ME universe and bioware shouldn't be ashamed or shunned for exercising their creative freedom free from heckling, so-called fans.

Modifié par prof-waffles, 02 février 2010 - 09:56 .

[screwoffreg]

Bioware is probably responding to the total idiots at Fox News. With solid sales for ME 2 though, I imagine ME 3 will be able to be far more flexible. I will be interested to see what routes they take with the characters. It is clear they wanted to include some same sex options, like Ashley in ME 1, hints of Tali in ME 2, and even the rumored Thane romantic component, but all of these have fallen into nothing.

[La Sangreal]

Currently looking into ME2's files to see if same-gender dialog is hidden somewhere. Haven't found anything yet though, so things aren't looking too good. Oh, and I listened to some of Kasumi's dialog.

[screwoffreg]

La Sangreal wrote...

Currently looking into ME2's files to see if same-gender dialog is hidden somewhere. Haven't found anything yet though, so things aren't looking too good. Oh, and I listened to some of Kasumi's dialog.

The fact Kasumi is already in the games files as is indicates she was probably part of the original but removed so EA could make cash.  Either way, Shale was worth it, so I hope Kasumi turns out alright...

[dcrypt]

This is absolutely relevant to this thread. I promise.

[Lightice_av]

Bioware is probably responding to the total idiots at Fox News.

It's unlikely that this is at least the whole truth. Those idiots earned them millions with their controversy that resulted in thousands of sales, as less than bright people went looking for alien porn, or just getting interested what all the fuss was about. EA isn't to blame either, seeing how they greenlighted Dragon Age: Origins with its same-sex content.



The only reason that I can find somehow credible is that the devs and/or the marketing department simply came to assume at some point of the project that there would be no demand for the option in the current player demography, and scrapped any plans they might have had by that point. That's why these threads have some importance, despite of being troll magnets and apparently annoying to people who are unable to pass by the word "gay" without clicking it: They show that an active part of the fanbase disagrees, and behind every active fan there are hundreds of silent ones.

[Ninja Mage]

There ain't nothing wrong...with a little bump n grind lol



Garrus- Ohhh Shepard OOOOHHHHH right there, you're so big Mmmmmmm!!!

[Ninja Mage]

Abraiel CG- Blah Blah I'm Italian and I hate myself, so I'm going to give these gays hell....

It's RESOURCES they are finite, I have psychic powers and I now the exact amount of resources
on every project known to man...

He's the internet Messiah...I'm still full of crap...Blah blah FINITE!!!! Resources, Italian Dubbing, You are in the minority and deserve no ZZZzzznznzznbabbaajaja auahahagagggggg ~ Blows up~

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 02 février 2010 - 10:50 .

[Sporothrix]

Lightice_av wrote...

The only reason that I can find somehow credible is that the devs and/or the marketing department simply came to assume at some point of the project that there would be no demand for the option in the current player demography, and scrapped any plans they might have had by that point.

As I've read somewhere, in MMORPG's most female characters are played by guys, so same think could be here.  Those guys would propably prefer f/f romances.

Popularity of yaoi shows that many women really like m/m theme (btw most Kirk/Spock fan stories are made by women). My straight sister played a guy in DAO just to see Zevran option.

So, if ME2 team didn't include same-sex romances because of such reason, it shows they don't know anything in that topic.

[Arik7]

dcrypt wrote...



This is absolutely relevant to this thread. I promise.

Is that a video game?   If so, I want it. :-P

[biddypocket]

Arik7 wrote...

dcrypt wrote...



This is absolutely relevant to this thread. I promise.

Is that a video game?   If so, I want it. :-P

Haha....that is the oddest video I've ever seen....and I've seen some pretty friggen weird videos...

[Groggy Grognard]

Also, another point to consider here is the fact that this game is being issued in various global regions, each with their particular censoring bodies. Perhaps it was decided to program the options in the game, but a survey of censoring bodies said that A, B and C would get the red flag, and as a result, the particular features were held back. Just look at the recent big flap about games and parental ratings in Australia to see what's been a-brewing.



It would explain how it is that the audio and video files for the interactions were in the game itself, but weren't actually used in the end. On the other hand, given that a few settings could have modified the actual results, perhaps you can spike BW/EA for coming down with the case of the lazies....