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[Endurance_117]

This has become a hate thread on both sides, Prove me wrong

[Taiko Roshi]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Yeah see that was where the part about ignoring logic comes in. Go back through the thread. Some of us have very calmly explained how your arguments are invalid. You keep ignoring them and whining about how 2 people called you a homophobe.

Now if you could calm down long enough to hold a civil conversation we might actually accomplish something resembling a proper debate. You seem to have no interest in a proper conversation though.

Now back to chuck.

I'm sorry debate and progressives in the same sentence is a oxymoron. If you do not agree with a progressive you a labeled a homophobic fascist and they will try to intimidate you by attempting to denigrate you into silence. If you rationalize with a progressive they will run away in a huff simply because logic is not as good as their ideals. The only true fascist in this thread are the liberal fascists ie: progressives.

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 09 février 2010 - 01:53 .

[FataliTensei]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

For this thread.

too late

You have people on one side calling people Homophobes and on the other side people calling them Homos

I'll go back to playing nice, I got a bit carried away

no more "homophobe" slinging from me

edit: so yeah...i guess i owe james and red an apology for my part in the flames, so...sorry, but some of the comments you guys made were really nasty

Modifié par FataliTensei, 09 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Nautica773]

Endurance_117 wrote...

This has become a hate thread on both sides, Prove me wrong

I haven't said anything hateful. Can we get back to Mass Effect now?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nautica773 wrote...

Does anyone have Dr. Muzyka's quote about the subject on hand?

http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1066954p2.html
Check it out brohim.


Middle segment:-



We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our
previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did
in Baldur's Gate,
and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of
choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined
character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he
or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more
tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's
more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But
that's by choice.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Nautica773 wrote...

Does anyone have Dr. Muzyka's quote about the subject on hand?

I do:


IGN: Will there be gay relationships for the male Shepard? Here at
IGN we've heard a lot of positive feedback from the inclusion of gay
relationships in Dragon Age; compare that with the somewhat conspicuous
absence of them from the first Mass Effect, especially with the chance
for a lesbian relationship.



Ray Muzyka: Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is
a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role,
and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally
about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In
Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a
pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a
wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a
pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and
that's intentional.



We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our
previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did
in Baldur's Gate,
and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of
choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined
character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who
he or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more
tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's
more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But
that's by choice.



It's first person versus third person narrative, and the types of
choices you get to make within that are related to that, whether you've
got a pre-defined character or a wide-open character. Some of our games
have been wide open, and some have been more constrained, and we'll
probably continue both kinds of character development in the future.

[ReDSH1FT]

FataliTensei wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

@jamesmoriarty123, I appreciate that you haven't been incredibly rude like all the other homophobes

howver I am done replying to you, and guys don't take the bait, just let him post, it ups our page count and keeps on top of the other forums.

Tensei you are a king among fools.  He's stating his argument nicely, and since you can't deal with it, you defer to you "just ignore him LALALA" response.

Yeah, upping your page count big deal.  Making our voices heard, bigger deal.

Your small clan of hundreds of ****** gamers isn't going to do squat, stop trying, you just look bad.

Point taken, however I'm just trying to avoid the eventual insult-war that will come from replying, I don't want to have to start this thread again. You know one person will say one thing, and then another and then another and it just spirals down from there. Like you and the insult you just threw. 

 

****** isn't an insult unless you want it to be.  Then it just sounds like you're embarassed of your sexuality.  It's short for homosexual.  That's the technical term.

I just hate how all of you are getting your panties up in a bunch over a damn ROMANCE that's NOT going to happen.

WHAT ABOUT THE REAPERS?

Christ, ME3 has so many variables due to ME2 that I'd be worried about that, not some damn ****** romance.

You guys are just sad.  Do you really need this that bad?

[DoctorOctagonapus]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Right, so if I do not want to watch two men going at it in public I'm a homophobe. You progressives really need to take a step back and have a look at yourselves...

Oh BTW, have you probed Uranus yet? That is quality in-game gay content right there.

Yes you are. Just like you would be a racist if an interacial couple "going at it" made you uncomfortable.

Lol, the reasoning by these guys is hilarious. If something makes you uncomfortable you are a "insert brand here".
So a gay guy who doesnt want to watch a man and woman have sex is a bigot and a heterophobe? By your logic that is so. Have you actually heard yourself?

"does not want to watch" and "is completely repulsed by the concept of" are not the same thing. So you're uncomfortable with seeing homosexuals do it? Guess what, so am I. It seems different and strange to me. The difference is you seem to have this idea that you have some sort of right to not have it happen in your universe, and I live and let live. That's why you are a bigot and a homophobe.

[KateKane]

Nautica773 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

This has become a hate thread on both sides, Prove me wrong

I haven't said anything hateful. Can we get back to Mass Effect now?

Mass what?

Oh! Right.

[Ninja Mage]

I know, we already discussed thier points on page 50...and they act like I'm running away? No sweetie, I'm taking the highroad, cause you can't stop talking

[Endurance_117]

Mass Erect is more like it or Ass Effect lol

Modifié par Endurance_117, 09 février 2010 - 01:55 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option, but I have never once seen a gay community member try and understand it from our point of view...

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

[ReDSH1FT]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Right, so if I do not want to watch two men going at it in public I'm a homophobe. You progressives really need to take a step back and have a look at yourselves...

Oh BTW, have you probed Uranus yet? That is quality in-game gay content right there.

Yes you are. Just like you would be a racist if an interacial couple "going at it" made you uncomfortable.

Lol, the reasoning by these guys is hilarious. If something makes you uncomfortable you are a "insert brand here".
So a gay guy who doesnt want to watch a man and woman have sex is a bigot and a heterophobe? By your logic that is so. Have you actually heard yourself?

"does not want to watch" and "is completely repulsed by the concept of" are not the same thing. So you're uncomfortable with seeing homosexuals do it? Guess what, so am I. It seems different and strange to me. The difference is you seem to have this idea that you have some sort of right to not have it happen in your universe, and I live and let live. That's why you are a bigot and a homophobe.

Hyper progressive morality police alert!

[Akrim_Drak]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

OMFG this is HILARIOUS



BioWare PLEASE put this in the Director's cut! This is GOLD! *rolls around laughing*

Yeah... thought I'd post that for kicks, it's interesting. Love the fact the MShep line was actually even there.

[Ninja Mage]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Right, so if I do not want to watch two men going at it in public I'm a homophobe. You progressives really need to take a step back and have a look at yourselves...

Oh BTW, have you probed Uranus yet? That is quality in-game gay content right there.

Yes you are. Just like you would be a racist if an interacial couple "going at it" made you uncomfortable.

Lol, the reasoning by these guys is hilarious. If something makes you uncomfortable you are a "insert brand here".
So a gay guy who doesnt want to watch a man and woman have sex is a bigot and a heterophobe? By your logic that is so. Have you actually heard yourself?

"does not want to watch" and "is completely repulsed by the concept of" are not the same thing. So you're uncomfortable with seeing homosexuals do it? Guess what, so am I. It seems different and strange to me. The difference is you seem to have this idea that you have some sort of right to not have it happen in your universe, and I live and let live. That's why you are a bigot and a homophobe.

I salute you Sir, you are a hero and a travelling scholar lol

[DoctorOctagonapus]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Right, so if I do not want to watch two men going at it in public I'm a homophobe. You progressives really need to take a step back and have a look at yourselves...

Oh BTW, have you probed Uranus yet? That is quality in-game gay content right there.

Yes you are. Just like you would be a racist if an interacial couple "going at it" made you uncomfortable.

Lol, the reasoning by these guys is hilarious. If something makes you uncomfortable you are a "insert brand here".
So a gay guy who doesnt want to watch a man and woman have sex is a bigot and a heterophobe? By your logic that is so. Have you actually heard yourself?

"does not want to watch" and "is completely repulsed by the concept of" are not the same thing. So you're uncomfortable with seeing homosexuals do it? Guess what, so am I. It seems different and strange to me. The difference is you seem to have this idea that you have some sort of right to not have it happen in your universe, and I live and let live. That's why you are a bigot and a homophobe.

Hyper progressive morality police alert!

ugh...

****** alert

Modifié par DoctorOctagonapus, 09 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1066954p2.html
Check it out brohim.


Middle segment:-



We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our
previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did
in Baldur's Gate,
and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of
choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined
character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he
or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more
tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's
more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But
that's by choice.

Thanks.

Now, I hate to be thick, but I fail to see how this answers the question. I know what it implies, however public relations is always about something so that it can be spun in different ways. From this specific quote, it's hard to actually get a definitive answer to the question about Shepard's character. 

I suspect this was more a dodge than anything. Which makes sense, since I doubt the founder would want to needlessly restraint or enforce certain characteristics that may impact the writing process.

It sounds like he gave an answer that could really go either way.

[ReDSH1FT]

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Aw nobody watched my link?

TEH GAYZ ARE IN UR MAZZ EFFECTS!

MODS = GODS
MODS = GODS
MODS = GODS
MODS = GODS
MODS = GODS

[LoveAsThouWilt]

The article does not answer the question. It goes to say Shepard is PREDEFINED and it even mentions the different gender of Shepard. A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Aw nobody watched my link?

TEH GAYZ ARE IN UR MAZZ EFFECTS!

I'm joking. Anyways. I really hope we get director's cut version. :innocent:

Actually they arent? Only on youtube. And that's the way it'll stay so...
I find it really funny that people have pieced this stuff together tho, it's sad, but funny in a way.

[Taiko Roshi]

Ninja Mage wrote...



I know, we already discussed thier points on page 50...and they act like I'm running away? No sweetie, I'm taking the highroad, cause you can't stop talking

Again, a typical progressive response. Rather than take on an alternative point of view you claim moral superiority. It doesn't get much more pathetic than that.