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[Creature 1]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

He was expressing the desire to beat me up the other day.  He's backed off on that, but still not overflowing with the milk of human kindness.

You're one to talk, anyway. 

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Actually they arent? Only on youtube. And that's the way it'll stay so...
I find it really funny that people have pieced this stuff together tho, it's sad, but funny in a way.

Actually it's rather impressive. Have you seen the KotOR Restoration mod? From what I've heard, they've almost recovered all the information for a completely removed planet, let alone a number of cut sidequests and the like.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1066954p2.html
Check it out brohim.


Middle segment:-



We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our
previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did
in Baldur's Gate,
and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of
choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined
character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he
or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more
tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's
more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But
that's by choice.

Thanks.

Now, I hate to be thick, but I fail to see how this answers the question. I know what it implies, however public relations is always about something so that it can be spun in different ways. From this specific quote, it's hard to actually get a definitive answer to the question about Shepard's character. 

I suspect this was more a dodge than anything. Which makes sense, since I doubt the founder would want to needlessly restraint or enforce certain characteristics that may impact the writing process.

It sounds like he gave an answer that could really go either way.

He mentions the previous games as a reference to implementing gay romance, in contrast to Mass Effect. That seems pretty definitive to me.

[Grunt420]

this is the final mass effect do you all really think there main focus is romance yeah its gonna be in the game but there will be more focused on putting all your interaction between ME1 and ME2 together and making about hundreds of different ways a conversation can go getting the voice actors together to make one of the best story ever did in a video game



and if they would add gay romance i don't think they turn any of the characters they have already gay they would just add some new characters and they would be gay would everyone be cool with that

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Actually they arent? Only on youtube. And that's the way it'll stay so...
I find it really funny that people have pieced this stuff together tho, it's sad, but funny in a way.

Actually it's rather impressive. Have you seen the KotOR Restoration mod? From what I've heard, they've almost recovered all the information for a completely removed planet, let alone a number of cut sidequests and the like.

Lost all respect for Obsidian with NWN2 and KotOR2. KotOR2 was so bad on release I just couldn't stomach it, heard good things about the restoration mod tho.

[ReDSH1FT]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

The article does not answer the question. It goes to say Shepard is PREDEFINED and it even mentions the different gender of Shepard. A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man.

lolwut?

How the hell did you reach this conclusion?  What kind of reasoning was involved?

"A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man."

Your ignorance could sink an ocean liner.

[Nautica773]

Taiko Roshi wrote...
Again, a typical progressive response. Rather than take on an alternative point of view you claim moral superiority. It doesn't get much more pathetic than that.

Taiko, could you please stop trying to instigate an argument. Both you and Ninja Mage need to either bring the discussion back to Mass Effect or try not to post in this thread anymore due to derailment. 

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...



I know, we already discussed thier points on page 50...and they act like I'm running away? No sweetie, I'm taking the highroad, cause you can't stop talking

Again, a typical progressive response. Rather than take on an alternative point of view you claim moral superiority. It doesn't get much more pathetic than that.

Sorry, but Ninja is correct.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

He was expressing the desire to beat me up the other day.  He's backed off on that, but still not overflowing with the milk of human kindness.

You're one to talk, anyway. 

Oh I'd probably still beat you up J/k

[Jimmy Fury]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option, but I have never once seen a gay community member try and understand it from our point of view...

sigh.
go read my posts where I clearly state "The opposition makes some valid, if disagreeable, points. It's just as illogical for us to ignore those points as it is for them to ignore ours"
Some of us do keep trying to keep this a calm, stable, reasonable, debate that doesn't devolve into name calling and insults.
Clearly, we have failed in our mission.

[Akrim_Drak]

You guys know... when you respond to people who are obviously here to get a rise out of you, they win right? They can come state their opinions, that is fine. Clearly the majority of this thread disagrees so there's no reason to respond to them. All it does is incite arguments.



Grunt, some of us don't care if they add it new, or retcon. Some characters obviously wouldn't work to be retconned but some are not so set in stone. And nobody here is DEMANDING it. We're discussing the option.

[ReDSH1FT]

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

He was expressing the desire to beat me up the other day.  He's backed off on that, but still not overflowing with the milk of human kindness.

You're one to talk, anyway. 

I've never claimed to be nice, nor would I.  Too many apologists running around being extra nice everywhere anyway.  The moment someone says something in a non progressive PC way, it's deemed hateful.

I respect the fact that you guys WANT this (to a limited extent), but you guys are totally disrespecting this game.  Which happens to be my favorite game.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

The article does not answer the question. It goes to say Shepard is PREDEFINED and it even mentions the different gender of Shepard. A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man.

lolwut?

How the hell did you reach this conclusion?  What kind of reasoning was involved?

"A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man."

Your ignorance could sink an ocean liner.

It is simple you just did not understand my wording. I will spell it out for you:

Female Shepard if predefined, would not have the OPTION to romance a female or a male or both (if you count both games together BOTH can be done for the same Shepard)

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
He mentions the previous games as a reference to implementing gay romance, in contrast to Mass Effect. That seems pretty definitive to me.

Oddly enough, he doesn't even mention the word romance.

Obviously, this isn't a "OMG GAY ROMANCE CONFIRMED!" or even the opposite. It just seems likely that it's a dodge of the topic. Which, I think is understandable. He doesn't write or program the content for Mass Effect so he's basically providing an out for his team if the content isn't use and being vague enough that if they do add the content it doesn't contradict him.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option, but I have never once seen a gay community member try and understand it from our point of view...

sigh.
go read my posts where I clearly state "The opposition makes some valid, if disagreeable, points. It's just as illogical for us to ignore those points as it is for them to ignore ours"
Some of us do keep trying to keep this a calm, stable, reasonable, debate that doesn't devolve into name calling and insults.
Clearly, we have failed in our mission.

I haven't insulted anyone, it's always the "homophobe" and "bigot" comments that come out first. But yeah, I'm all for calm discussion.

[FataliTensei]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

@jamesmoriarty123, I appreciate that you haven't been incredibly rude like all the other homophobes

howver I am done replying to you, and guys don't take the bait, just let him post, it ups our page count and keeps on top of the other forums.

Tensei you are a king among fools.  He's stating his argument nicely, and since you can't deal with it, you defer to you "just ignore him LALALA" response.

Yeah, upping your page count big deal.  Making our voices heard, bigger deal.

Your small clan of hundreds of ****** gamers isn't going to do squat, stop trying, you just look bad.

Point taken, however I'm just trying to avoid the eventual insult-war that will come from replying, I don't want to have to start this thread again. You know one person will say one thing, and then another and then another and it just spirals down from there. Like you and the insult you just threw. 

 

****** isn't an insult unless you want it to be.  Then it just sounds like you're embarassed of your sexuality.  It's short for homosexual.  That's the technical term.

I just hate how all of you are getting your panties up in a bunch over a damn ROMANCE that's NOT going to happen.

WHAT ABOUT THE REAPERS?

Christ, ME3 has so many variables due to ME2 that I'd be worried about that, not some damn ****** romance.

You guys are just sad.  Do you really need this that bad?

I did state before that regardless of romance options I'd still buy ME 3,the story and gameplay are too good to give it up...but serously all this thread was started for was to request and talk about ways it could be implmened so that people like you, who don't want it in the game at all, would still be able to enjoy he game

And ya neve know,bioware could pull the fanservc card like the did with tali and garrus

BTW, everyone knows sayin "******" generally means it's a bad thing, it's thrown around as an insul all the time

[Grunt420]

a lot of people are demanding it in a lot forums i've been in

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
He mentions the previous games as a reference to implementing gay romance, in contrast to Mass Effect. That seems pretty definitive to me.

Oddly enough, he doesn't even mention the word romance.

Obviously, this isn't a "OMG GAY ROMANCE CONFIRMED!" or even the opposite. It just seems likely that it's a dodge of the topic. Which, I think is understandable. He doesn't write or program the content for Mass Effect so he's basically providing an out for his team if the content isn't use and being vague enough that if they do add the content it doesn't contradict him.

If there were no ME games out and this article was pre-ME1 I would agree with you. But this, coupled with 3 years of heckling from the gay community and 2 games without gaymance, it falls on the definitive side of the line for me.

[Nautica773]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
I've never claimed to be nice, nor would I.  Too many apologists running around being extra nice everywhere anyway.  The moment someone says something in a non progressive PC way, it's deemed hateful.

I respect the fact that you guys WANT this (to a limited extent), but you guys are totally disrespecting this game.  Which happens to be my favorite game.

And how is it disrespectful to include the content in the game?

It is optional content, you do not need to engage with it. I didn't do the gay romance nor the threesome in Jade Empire and I don't feel that the inclusion of either was disrespecting the game. 

[LoveAsThouWilt]

How is it disrespectful? I like Mass Effect, I like both games and the universe.  I would also like them to implement what that had originally intended with the option for a male romance with Kaidan. If not I at least want an EXPLANATION as to why it was cut, not a blatant disregard of a question. Its simple.

[Ninja Mage]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

He was expressing the desire to beat me up the other day.  He's backed off on that, but still not overflowing with the milk of human kindness.

You're one to talk, anyway. 

I've never claimed to be nice, nor would I.  Too many apologists running around being extra nice everywhere anyway.  The moment someone says something in a non progressive PC way, it's deemed hateful.

I respect the fact that you guys WANT this (to a limited extent), but you guys are totally disrespecting this game.  Which happens to be my favorite game.

I don't respect you at all, and I could give a rats ass if it's your ''favoritest most adored extra speciuls' game. This is MY game too, and I will continue to voice my opinion on features I want implemented.  And you haven't been PC at all anyway. You've just been slinging your hyperbolic assumptions about gay people and calling me a purse carrying queer that isn't really a man. Gee, thanks, but I will still live my life how I want. And to say Shepard can't be a tough, kick-ass hero and get the guy is just completely moronic and tasteless. Guess what, gays exist in mass effect universe. SORRY

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 09 février 2010 - 02:07 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Another strong indicator is that implementing it at this late stage would just make no sense at all.

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
If there were no ME games out and this article was pre-ME1 I would agree with you. But this, coupled with 3 years of heckling from the gay community and 2 games without gaymance, it falls on the definitive side of the line for me.

I agree that the odds are small. Considering that they are likely going to incorporate all the romances from the first and second game, as well as probably some new romances, it seems a tall order for a gay romance to make it into the game. 

However, on the other hand, they have tried twice to get the content into the series so they may also attempt for the third game. 

[ReDSH1FT]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

The article does not answer the question. It goes to say Shepard is PREDEFINED and it even mentions the different gender of Shepard. A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man.

lolwut?

How the hell did you reach this conclusion?  What kind of reasoning was involved?

"A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man."

Your ignorance could sink an ocean liner.

It is simple you just did not understand my wording. I will spell it out for you:

Female Shepard if predefined, would not have the OPTION to romance a female or a male or both (if you count both games together BOTH can be done for the same Shepard)

Lemme spell it out for you.

Female Shepard might as well not exist.  She's not the face of Commander Shepard.

She can be whatever, she is irrelevant to the game itself.

The iconic Shepard is the one you see on the box, in the commercials, in magazines.

He's the galaxy saving badass, and he's a hetero, like every other galaxy saving badass in any story.

Having him have the option to be a ****** means he's bicurious.

Haha, in other words, not very iconic.