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[KateKane]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
It's inevtiable that if it was included, Mass Effect being mass appeal and set in a very macho universe, they would be a fair amount of controversy/negative feedback. And if there's one thing EA avoid like the plague, its bad press.

I don't think that BioWare is as concerned about this public image as people think they are. 

Was Jade Empire not suppose to be a "macho" kung fu movie? 

As for the controversy, BioWare takes it in stride. They'll work in some joke about it in a future DLC, but continue doing what they want to do. I think being a Canadian developer helps with not having to worry about the public backlash nearly as much.

Note that I didn't say Bioware, I said EA. Very different animal.

The Sims 3 has gay marraige.

Also published by EA.

[Arik7]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

So you basically caused Harkin to say what he was supposed to say to a woman, to a man? Meaning it was never actually made that way?

Listen to the MaleShep's response.... it was pre-recorded.

His speech is from somewhere else in the game, I'm fairly sure of that.

No, as it was explained to you.  The only thing that was changed was the gender flag in a save.  Look at the Shepard's facial expression and lip animation.  They match the sound file.

[ReDSH1FT]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

The article does not answer the question. It goes to say Shepard is PREDEFINED and it even mentions the different gender of Shepard. A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man.

lolwut?

How the hell did you reach this conclusion?  What kind of reasoning was involved?

"A predefined Shepard would not be able to have the option to romance a woman, being a woman, or a man."

Your ignorance could sink an ocean liner.

It is simple you just did not understand my wording. I will spell it out for you:

Female Shepard if predefined, would not have the OPTION to romance a female or a male or both (if you count both games together BOTH can be done for the same Shepard)

Lemme spell it out for you.

Female Shepard might as well not exist.  She's not the face of Commander Shepard.

She can be whatever, she is irrelevant to the game itself.

The iconic Shepard is the one you see on the box, in the commercials, in magazines.

He's the galaxy saving badass, and he's a hetero, like every other galaxy saving badass in any story.

Having him have the option to be a ****** means he's bicurious.

Haha, in other words, not very iconic.

the iconic Shepard may be hetero. One of the game's biggest selling points is the ability to stray from canon. Just like a female shepard isn't canon, but still a possibillity, there's no reason a gay shepard should be ruled out. Just the option doesn't need to touch the canon. by your logic, Shepard should be a hermaphrodite, since he can be either gender. In fact, there are billions of different flavors of Shepard. You're icon is quite the bipolar, I'm afraid.

Your failure at understanding my point astounds me.  How can Shep be a hermaphrodite by my logic.

I just stated.

iconic
Shepard
is
male

He's also hetero, it's a third person narrative, you're playing his story, but you're not changing who he is.

What is so damn hard to understand?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Arik7 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
It's inevtiable that if it was included, Mass Effect being mass appeal and set in a very macho universe, they would be a fair amount of controversy/negative feedback. And if there's one thing EA avoid like the plague, its bad press.

I don't think that BioWare is as concerned about this public image as people think they are. 

Was Jade Empire not suppose to be a "macho" kung fu movie? 

As for the controversy, BioWare takes it in stride. They'll work in some joke about it in a future DLC, but continue doing what they want to do. I think being a Canadian developer helps with not having to worry about the public backlash nearly as much.

Note that I didn't say Bioware, I said EA. Very different animal.

I was very pleased with EA for integrating same-sex marriage into the Sims 3, considering the debate in the US.

Sims marriage is hardly the same. No dialogue, certainly no half-nudity and realistic sexual inferrence. Doing the "Woo-hoo" gives you a lotta leway

[FataliTensei]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

He was expressing the desire to beat me up the other day.  He's backed off on that, but still not overflowing with the milk of human kindness.

You're one to talk, anyway. 

I've never claimed to be nice, nor would I.  Too many apologists running around being extra nice everywhere anyway.  The moment someone says something in a non progressive PC way, it's deemed hateful.

I respect the fact that you guys WANT this (to a limited extent), but you guys are totally disrespecting this game.  Which happens to be my favorite game.

I don't respect you at all, and I could give a rats ass if it's your ''favoritest most adored extra speciuls' game. This is MY game too, and I will continue to voice my opinion on features I want implemented.  And you haven't been PC at all anyway. You've just been slinging your hyperbolic assumptions about gay people and calling me a purse carrying queer that isn't really a man. Gee, thanks, but I will still live my life how I want. And to say Shepard can't be a tough, kick-ass hero and get the guy is just completely moronic and tasteless. Guess what, gays exist in mass effect universe. SORRY

OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T.  

Name

One.

Uh. Actually isn't one of the characters in the book gay. And no one gives a s***? No one cares in the ME universe. The game is just cleansed of all the realistic parts of ME so that the people who get offended can play it. <_<

Me hopes that director cut has realistic strippers too.

Also: LOL at how timid Meer sounds in that scene. "Uh...thanks..." The only thing that would have made that funnier was if you had a running away option.

Running away option would have been funy, a punching him option would have been even funnier, I never liked Harkin

[Ninja Mage]

La Sangrael can you upload that save  to youtube where Dr. Mordin is telling Male shep not to have sex with Garrus? That seems like a funny line to hear

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 09 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...



I know, we already discussed thier points on page 50...and they act like I'm running away? No sweetie, I'm taking the highroad, cause you can't stop talking

Again, a typical progressive response. Rather than take on an alternative point of view you claim moral superiority. It doesn't get much more pathetic than that.

"A typical progressive response"

You sound like a broken record. Seriously, what do you hate so much about progressivists? Did your ancestors go bankrupt after slavery was removed? Yes, we claim moral superiority, we're hedging for minority representation, remember? What's your policy? Why do you keep banging on progressives? We aren't arguing about that, we're debating whether or not you should be able to bone a virtual dude in a video game. You might take a little sip of perspective here. This isn't politics, it's videogames.

Seems more like politics to me the way you guys are slinging around terms like homophobe etc.

The very first thread I started was completely neutral, erring on the side of being confrontational.

First few comments?  Homophobe, close minded, etc. 

No argument, no logic.  Just slinging terms.

You guys can't do anything but form a sad little group and ***** on the forums constantly, completely ignoring the fantastic amount of work that went into the story.

You guys have hundreds of pages focusing on ****** romance.

There's something wrong if that's all you care about for ME3.

Dr. Muzyka cleared up the status of your little crusade very politely.

You tools just keep going though

actually, no. There is simply nothing more in ME2 that I have to comment about. I enjoyed all of it. It is a great great game. WIth ot without m/m romance I will still play it. But I will still voice an opinion about something I wish to know. Whether it happens or not is very very doubtful, but I am still going to discuss is and politely if possible. Though you are making it quite hard to be polite in these forums.

Muzyka answered nothing, and the folks at IGN I am sure read into it as well as them side stepping the issue.

Nautica: I do think you may  have a point though about it being him covering his ass till Bioware gives their own answer.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Ninja Mage wrote...

La Sangrael can you upload that save  to youtube where Dr. Mordin is telling Male shep not to have sex with Garrus? That seems like a funny line to hear

That happened at the end of my game on the console! It was strange! Funny though.

[ReDSH1FT]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've tried numerous times to empathise if not agree with the gay supporters who want teh option

Heh.  You fail at empathy. 

You're lucky he's being so nice as to empathize with you.

You're a minor minority, representing a tiny portion of the fanbase.

He was expressing the desire to beat me up the other day.  He's backed off on that, but still not overflowing with the milk of human kindness.

You're one to talk, anyway. 

I've never claimed to be nice, nor would I.  Too many apologists running around being extra nice everywhere anyway.  The moment someone says something in a non progressive PC way, it's deemed hateful.

I respect the fact that you guys WANT this (to a limited extent), but you guys are totally disrespecting this game.  Which happens to be my favorite game.

I don't respect you at all, and I could give a rats ass if it's your ''favoritest most adored extra speciuls' game. This is MY game too, and I will continue to voice my opinion on features I want implemented.  And you haven't been PC at all anyway. You've just been slinging your hyperbolic assumptions about gay people and calling me a purse carrying queer that isn't really a man. Gee, thanks, but I will still live my life how I want. And to say Shepard can't be a tough, kick-ass hero and get the guy is just completely moronic and tasteless. Guess what, gays exist in mass effect universe. SORRY

OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T.  

Name

One.

Kelly chambers

Obviously you haven't been to a good enough party, or college for that matter.  I guess those girls making out are gay, huh.

Even in the game it mentions that Kelly's a crazy college chick.

Plus she's not a romance.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Kelly ugh.

Still if Kaiden was bi we'd at least have a nice touching gay romance through all 3 games. (Even if he goes emo rage in 2.)

For a woman you sure do have an unhealthy interest in watching two men be gay together...just go rent some gay porn?

But if there is one thing that provokes me more than anything is these people with this twisted want/need for Kaiden to be Bi. He isn't. It's established. Over 2 games and and a lengthy backstory. Get. Over. It.

[Arik7]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
I was very pleased with EA for integrating same-sex marriage into the Sims 3, considering the debate in the US.

Sims marriage is hardly the same. No dialogue, certainly no half-nudity and realistic sexual inferrence. Doing the "Woo-hoo" gives you a lotta leway

Still, EA's decision took guts as it could be interpreted as a political statement.    Btw, there's no nudity in ME2 either.  

[DoctorOctagonapus]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...



I know, we already discussed thier points on page 50...and they act like I'm running away? No sweetie, I'm taking the highroad, cause you can't stop talking

Again, a typical progressive response. Rather than take on an alternative point of view you claim moral superiority. It doesn't get much more pathetic than that.

"A typical progressive response"

You sound like a broken record. Seriously, what do you hate so much about progressivists? Did your ancestors go bankrupt after slavery was removed? Yes, we claim moral superiority, we're hedging for minority representation, remember? What's your policy? Why do you keep banging on progressives? We aren't arguing about that, we're debating whether or not you should be able to bone a virtual dude in a video game. You might take a little sip of perspective here. This isn't politics, it's videogames.

Seems more like politics to me the way you guys are slinging around terms like homophobe etc.

The very first thread I started was completely neutral, erring on the side of being confrontational.

First few comments?  Homophobe, close minded, etc. 

No argument, no logic.  Just slinging terms.

You guys can't do anything but form a sad little group and ***** on the forums constantly, completely ignoring the fantastic amount of work that went into the story.

You guys have hundreds of pages focusing on ****** romance.

There's something wrong if that's all you care about for ME3.

Dr. Muzyka cleared up the status of your little crusade very politely.

You tools just keep going though

Once again, you guys are the ones taking things out of proportion. You guys have thrown around the word homophobe more than us. No one is ignoring the rest of the game. Yes, the rest of the game is great, it's exciting, gameplay is seamless, etc. There are plenty of "This game makes me ****" threads. This thread is about a gay option. You guys have contributed just as much to the 100+ pages as we have.

"You tools just keep going though"

Talk about slinging terms...you clearly don't even know what that means.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Arik7 wrote...
   Btw, there's no nudity in ME2 either.  

Thanks to EA.
ME1's nudity (if you can even call it that) was completely in taste. The News networks just murdered it though...****ers.

[ReDSH1FT]

WELL GEE WHIZ, watching Spike TV and a ME2 commercial just came on.



It's the male Shepard talking. He's the icon. He's the face of Mass Effect. They're not gonna make him be able to be homosexual.

[Akrim_Drak]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...



Unsucessful Troll is unsucessful

Anyways. Kaiden would probably be the easiest to work into being Bi if they didn't want to make a whole new squaddie to do so. I want Joker but I doubt anyone is getting him so there goes that dream.
Seth Green + Romantic Dialogue = hilarity.

Joker is too weak. I'd be too worried I'd break him...

[Ninja Mage]

Dang Harkin was seriously hitting on shepard



Harkin- I woulda joined the allience if all the marines had pretty little asses like you



Wow Harkin, you took my breath away

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Kelly ugh.

Still if Kaiden was bi we'd at least have a nice touching gay romance through all 3 games. (Even if he goes emo rage in 2.)

For a woman you sure do have an unhealthy interest in watching two men be gay together...just go rent some gay porn?

But if there is one thing that provokes me more than anything is these people with this twisted want/need for Kaiden to be Bi. He isn't. It's established. Over 2 games and and a lengthy backstory. Get. Over. It.

Unsucessful Troll is unsucessful

Anyways. Kaiden would probably be the easiest to work into being Bi if they didn't want to make a whole new squaddie to do so. I want Joker but I doubt anyone is getting him so there goes that dream.
Seth Green + Romantic Dialogue = hilarity.

I can't fathom how much denial it takes for this.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Obviously you haven't been to a good enough party, or college for that matter.  I guess those girls making out are gay, huh.

Even in the game it mentions that Kelly's a crazy college chick.

Plus she's not a romance.

Oh right, because romance is only sex. I would bet a heavy credit that a little gay flirting and cuddling would be enough for the gay crowd, and WAY too much for the phobes.

[Arik7]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
Obviously you haven't been to a good enough party, or college for that matter.  I guess those girls making out are gay, huh.

Not necessarily, but the act itself is gay.

We could also argue that all the straight sex your "canon" Shepard is having does not necessarily make him straight.  Since gay and bi-sexual men often experiment with women.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuchi, Kaiden isn't Bi, nowhere near. I know it's like your BIGGEST fantasy, but girl, it ain't gonna happen.



If you can answer me though, as a woman, why do you have such a "boner" about seeing a man+man romance. I mean the pseudo-lesbian option is already there so? What's your reasoning girl?

[ReDSH1FT]

Arik7 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
Obviously you haven't been to a good enough party, or college for that matter.  I guess those girls making out are gay, huh.

Not necessarily, but the act itself is gay.

We could also argue that all the straight sex your "canon" Shepard is having does not necessarily make him straight.  Since gay and bi-sexual men often experiment with women.

The sex might not make him straight, but the dialogue sure cements his hetero status.