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[JamesMoriarty123]

Nautica773 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...
I'm fine with a toggle of sorts but(I think too much into everything mind you) I feel that would make the majority just look bad that they had to resort to a hidden toggle to include male same-sex romance. Sort of a "they're so immature they can't handle it unless it's hidden" sort? I dunno. At least the liberal side would say that, the opposite well they'd be against it entirely. I'm all for compromise though, HOWEVER it has to be done.

I'm against a toggle. At some point, if the developers are going to include it, the fans need to accept it as content. I don't think this an issue that will be solved by the player base coming to an agreement. It's entirely up to BioWare whether they put in a gay romance or not. Given their track record and some content recovered from the disks, it's fair to say that they've seriously considered adding the romance. 

If they do add it, then it's added. But, at least from the DAO forums, people were requesting toggles for everything under the sun. A toggle for helms, for blood, for dialogue for this and that. Each toggle adds extra development time, takes away from them working on content they want to add in and is probably more annoying to program than we think.

From previous developer posts, I really don't think BioWare is a fan of any toggle solutions. This is an either or, I think.

I agree that the toggle optoin while interesting is probably too much. Also given their track record of NOT including it says that they;ve considered and decided against including it. Twice.

[BrianWilly]

I would not be comfortable with a toggle system.  Bad enough that this would hypothetically be content that we'd have to buy separate from the real game anyway, but that some mouth-breathing bigot could just "turn off" a game character's homosexuality by pressing a button?  No offense, but that sends a horrible message to the players.

I didn't have to have some sort of toggle to turn on gay content for Bioware's other games.  What makes Mass Effect so special that it needs to have something like that?

Besides, how is that ultimately any different from someone simply not choosing the potential gay dialogue options in the first place?  Other than that in one case you're "turning off" someone's sexual orientation, and in the other you're simply not romancing them.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 09 février 2010 - 05:25 .

[Akrim_Drak]

Nautica773 wrote...

I'm against a toggle. At some point, if the developers are going to include it, the fans need to accept it as content. I don't think this an issue that will be solved by the player base coming to an agreement. It's entirely up to BioWare whether they put in a gay romance or not. Given their track record and some content recovered from the disks, it's fair to say that they've seriously considered adding the romance. 

If they do add it, then it's added. But, at least from the DAO forums, people were requesting toggles for everything under the sun. A toggle for helms, for blood, for dialogue for this and that. Each toggle adds extra development time, takes away from them working on content they want to add in and is probably more annoying to program than we think.

From previous developer posts, I really don't think BioWare is a fan of any toggle solutions. This is an either or, I think.

True. It's kind of sad too because all of us in favor of it will most likely buy the game regardless because we have no choice. If it's not included I would HOWEVER like it if people stopped saying "No gay options = no gay Shepard" because that's entirely not true, regardless of what the good doctor has said. My Shepard is my Shepard regardless of what he says, however foolish it may have been.

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I think we've established that the dev's shouldnt mess with Kaiden or any current characters. Just by talking once to them in ME1/2 their stories are established. Get over it, Kaiden gaymance not going to happen. I'm sure you keep posting that to try and provoke me.

I think it unlikely that they'll make Kaiden the romance. It is rather odd that they had that content in 2, but since it was cut as well, I'd imagine it would be a new character if they were to bring the romance into 3.

[FataliTensei]

As far as the new character to goes, I'd pray to god he isn't an effeminate sterotype, that's all I ask for what kind of character we get

[FataliTensei]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

I'm against a toggle. At some point, if the developers are going to include it, the fans need to accept it as content. I don't think this an issue that will be solved by the player base coming to an agreement. It's entirely up to BioWare whether they put in a gay romance or not. Given their track record and some content recovered from the disks, it's fair to say that they've seriously considered adding the romance. 

If they do add it, then it's added. But, at least from the DAO forums, people were requesting toggles for everything under the sun. A toggle for helms, for blood, for dialogue for this and that. Each toggle adds extra development time, takes away from them working on content they want to add in and is probably more annoying to program than we think.

From previous developer posts, I really don't think BioWare is a fan of any toggle solutions. This is an either or, I think.

True. It's kind of sad too because all of us in favor of it will most likely buy the game regardless because we have no choice. If it's not included I would HOWEVER like it if people stopped saying "No gay options = no gay Shepard" because that's entirely not true, regardless of what the good doctor has said. My Shepard is my Shepard regardless of what he says, however foolish it may have been.

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Alas we can mourn about BioWare not implementing this from the beginning all year and it sadly won't change anything.

Though Drak did you see those fugly helms in DA. Toggle was a necessity!

I too wish they had included it from the beggining, but alas that is not the case :/......(i just used "alas" in a sentence )

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I think we've established that the dev's shouldnt mess with Kaiden or any current characters. Just by talking once to them in ME1/2 their stories are established. Get over it, Kaiden gaymance not going to happen. I'm sure you keep posting that to try and provoke me.

I think it unlikely that they'll make Kaiden the romance. It is rather odd that they had that content in 2, but since it was cut as well, I'd imagine it would be a new character if they were to bring the romance into 3.

I am of the same thought, but my opinion still stands:

I prefer Kaidan lol thats just me. Its fitting and requires little work on the developers part to put it in. Even if the current games are update to make it so, romacning him in the third would not be so strange considering the emotions running between them already.

[Nautica773]

FataliTensei wrote...

As far as the new character to goes, I'd pray to god he isn't an effeminate sterotype, that's all I ask for what kind of character we get

No, I seriously doubt BioWare would do en effeminate stereotype. They try to avoid those (stereotypes) in general. To be honest, it'll probably be a bisexual because then they can have a romance option for both guys and girls in one character. It's a variable time saver!

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...
I am of the same thought, but my opinion still stands: 

I prefer Kaidan lol thats just me. Its fitting and requires little work on the developers part to put it in. Even if the current games are update to make it so, romacning him in the third would not be so strange considering the emotions running between them already. 

I'm... not a fan of Kaiden. But then again, I don't like most of the original cast. I found them too 2-dimensional.

Though.... I did just have a thought. Since the standard character rescued is Ashley by male Shepards (I believe that's the default), they could have Kaiden as the romance interest since he'd likely be dead for most players in the third game anyway. 

How's that for compromising?

Modifié par Nautica773, 09 février 2010 - 05:33 .

[Akrim_Drak]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...
True. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Alas we can mourn about BioWare not implementing this from the beginning all year and it sadly won't change anything.

Though Drak did you see those fugly helms in DA. Toggle was a necessity!
And blood did have a toggle. Language didn't but the language wasn't that bad in DA anyways.

Never wore helms in DA, same with ME2. Which is nice because I have all those useless preorder armors... But that's off topic

[Akrim_Drak]

You guys should read Ascension if you haven't yet (yay for being a bioware advertising machine ) Hendel was really well done. And there wasn't a hint of stereotype to be had.

[JamesMoriarty123]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I think we've established that the dev's shouldnt mess with Kaiden or any current characters. Just by talking once to them in ME1/2 their stories are established. Get over it, Kaiden gaymance not going to happen. I'm sure you keep posting that to try and provoke me.

I think it unlikely that they'll make Kaiden the romance. It is rather odd that they had that content in 2, but since it was cut as well, I'd imagine it would be a new character if they were to bring the romance into 3.

I am of the same thought, but my opinion still stands:

I prefer Kaidan lol thats just me. Its fitting and requires little work on the developers part to put it in. Even if the current games are update to make it so, romacning him in the third would not be so strange considering the emotions running between them already.

This is where you're missing the point. There are no "emotions" running between them. They are friends m8, that's it. Just because its different in your mind doesn't make it so. Kaiden was in love with a girl, and no, he isn't all of a sudden Bi and into Shepherd.
It's this kind of post that makes me want to go "flame on". Can we jus get away from ****ing with established characters please?

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...
True. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Alas we can mourn about BioWare not implementing this from the beginning all year and it sadly won't change anything.

Though Drak did you see those fugly helms in DA. Toggle was a necessity!
And blood did have a toggle. Language didn't but the language wasn't that bad in DA anyways.

Never wore helms in DA, same with ME2. Which is nice because I have all those useless preorder armors... But that's off topic

SAME! For ME2 i wore the headset but thats it because I like to see Shepards face in conversation.

[BrianWilly]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Hm. Would you prefer it with an new character or with an existing one though? 

I wonder if some gay DLC could incorporate meeting up with Kaiden right after the mission is over yet before ME3 takes place and starting a relationship.

That would be interesting if done correctly.

Maybe after the end game you attempt to (once again) warn the Council and they blow you off (not like that's anything new ) and you run into Kaidan (if you saved him) or Ash. They tell you about some intell they found that could provide a small bit of more insight as to why the reapers want humanity and while the two of you are going on that mission (if you're not romancing them already) you can choose to romance them as either gender.

Of course my idea needs major tweaking to be pheasible but its a start.

Still a new character in 3 would be bah. I actually would prefer Kaiden but I suppose anyone would do the all male alien race would probably be implemented. So BioWare can fall back on their "Its not gay if its an alien." excuse. I just hope they're not too feminine that would suck.

Ideally I would prefer that they simply unlocked the bisexual content that was in development for ME1 and 2, such as Kaidan/Tali/Thane.  That would flat-out satisfy everyone, and would take the least amount of time and effort for the ME team anyway.

Barring that, if there were hypothetically plans for entirely new content like an expansion pack or something, yes I would still prefer the existing teammates, again for the reason that it just seems like less of a hassle to implement than coming up with whole new character designs and stories that may or may not end up working as well.

Barring both of those options?  Well, if Bioware wanted to take the time to come up with new characters specifically for the GLBT crowd, then why the hell not?  I'm sure not gonna complain, if that was a possibility. that's probably more of a possibility for ME3 than for any ME2 DLC or expansions, though.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 09 février 2010 - 05:36 .

[Akrim_Drak]

BrianWilly wrote...

deally I would prefer that they simply unlocked the bisexual content that was in development for ME1 and 2, such as Kaidan/Tali/Thane.  That would flat-out satisfy everyone, and would take the least amount of time and effort for the ME team anyway.

Barring that, if there were hypothetically plans for new content entirely like an expansion pack or something, yes I would still prefer the existing teammates, again for the reason that it just seems like less of a hassle to implement than coming up with whole new character designs and stories that may or may not end up working as well.

Barring both of those options?  Well, if Bioware wanted to take the time to come up with new characters specifically for the GLBT crowd, then why the hell not?  I'm sure not gonna complain, if that was a possibility.

Well, they made Thane specifically for the ladies so who knows. It could happen.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

BrianWilly wrote...

Ideally I would prefer that they simply unlocked the bisexual content that was in development for ME1 and 2, such as Kaidan/Tali/Thane.  That would flat-out satisfy everyone, and would take the least amount of time and effort for the ME team anyway.

Barring that, if there were hypothetically plans for new content entirely like an expansion pack or something, yes I would still prefer the existing teammates, again for the reason that it just seems like less of a hassle to implement than coming up with whole new character designs and stories that may or may not end up working as well.

Barring both of those options?  Well, if Bioware wanted to take the time to come up with new characters specifically for the GLBT crowd, then why the hell not?  I'm sure not gonna complain, if that was a possibility.

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[JamesMoriarty123]

BrianWilly wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Hm. Would you prefer it with an new character or with an existing one though? 

I wonder if some gay DLC could incorporate meeting up with Kaiden right after the mission is over yet before ME3 takes place and starting a relationship.

That would be interesting if done correctly.

Maybe after the end game you attempt to (once again) warn the Council and they blow you off (not like that's anything new ) and you run into Kaidan (if you saved him) or Ash. They tell you about some intell they found that could provide a small bit of more insight as to why the reapers want humanity and while the two of you are going on that mission (if you're not romancing them already) you can choose to romance them as either gender.

Of course my idea needs major tweaking to be pheasible but its a start.

Still a new character in 3 would be bah. I actually would prefer Kaiden but I suppose anyone would do the all male alien race would probably be implemented. So BioWare can fall back on their "Its not gay if its an alien." excuse. I just hope they're not too feminine that would suck.

Ideally I would prefer that they simply unlocked the bisexual content that was in development for ME1 and 2, such as Kaidan/Tali/Thane.  That would flat-out satisfy everyone, and would take the least amount of time and effort for the ME team anyway.

Barring that, if there were hypothetically plans for new content entirely like an expansion pack or something, yes I would still prefer the existing teammates, again for the reason that it just seems like less of a hassle to implement than coming up with whole new character designs and stories that may or may not end up working as well.

Barring both of those options?  Well, if Bioware wanted to take the time to come up with new characters specifically for the GLBT crowd, then why the hell not?  I'm sure not gonna complain, if that was a possibility.

Like I said, they aren't gonna change ESTABLISHED characters. Why is it so hard for a couple of you to get it into your head that they characters are formed. They have histories, they are straight ffs. Going back and reimplementing content over 2 games just to make continuity in the 3rd? NEVER going to happen.

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Like I said, they aren't gonna change ESTABLISHED characters. Why is it so hard for a couple of you to get it into your head that they characters are formed. They have histories, they are straight ffs. Going back and reimplementing content over 2 games just to make continuity in the 3rd? NEVER going to happen.

I don't even know how you would add it? A patch that you only download if you have both ME1 and ME2 installed? Doesn't strike me as very feasible.

[Akrim_Drak]

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Like I said, they aren't gonna change ESTABLISHED characters. Why is it so hard for a couple of you to get it into your head that they characters are formed. They have histories, they are straight ffs. Going back and reimplementing content over 2 games just to make continuity in the 3rd? NEVER going to happen.

I don't even know how you would add it? A patch that you only download if you have both ME1 and ME2 installed? Doesn't strike me as very feasible.

Mass Effect Trilogy: The Director's Cut >.> Milk that cash!

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nautica, the others just don't get it. Hoping against hope for something that would turn away a SHEDLOAD of the fanbase. People have grown to know and love the characters as they are.

[Nautica773]

Akrim_Drak wrote...
Mass Effect Trilogy: The Director's Cut >.> Milk that cash!

This isn't Lucas Arts.

[Akrim_Drak]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Nautica, the others just don't get it. Hoping against hope for something that would turn away a SHEDLOAD of the fanbase. People have grown to know and love the characters as they are.

I think you're overestimating that a bit...

Also though, going around saying "nope not gonna happen, get over it" is a bit harsh and unnecessary. People know it's not going to happen but what's wrong with "dreaming"? They want these things because they fell in love(not literally) with these characters which means BioWare did an amazing job. It's not really hurting you to talk about it. That's why I think most people call you a troll, because you're so unapologetic in your views. There's -always- leway.