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Hey guys, You can rename Link, Crono, Tidus, Cloud, Bartz all in there respective games. Does that mean those aren't their official names?

Could you change their gender? Their race? Their physical appearance? Their choices?


In some cases yes


Really? Because I've played most of those games and you sure in hell couldn't. Name's were all you could change save for a few minor interactions that you merely had a slight influence in.

And affection values were just a nice little minigame. They didn't change endings (unless you mean Star Ocean and even then Claude did whatever the heck he felt like once you picked one of the two options and you could ONLY do that with PAs) .
**** you could still change Tidus name and it was still Tidus in the voice over. :mellow:

Chrno I'm not to sure about. I didn't play Chrno Trigger (Sadly)

But JRPGs have a habit that even if you change your characters choices they still act within the limits of how the CHARACTER would act. Not how you want them to act. (For instance no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get Fayt to curse Sophia out. Its something he would never do (and  the one time he yelled at her he comforted her 5 minutes later and there was NOTHING I could do about it).

Now Fayt did have a PA which he could say he hated a character or that he didn't. I picked both options (obviously through the power of RELOAD ) both fit into what Fayt had said earlier to the other character (Albel) even if the I don't hate you was kind of gayish. Ah JRPGs and their Ho/Foe Yay. Heck I think that was the most influence I even had over him at any time now that I think about it. :blink: That resulted in me getting the cute ending with them bickering like a married couple :lol: "I'm sick of you moving around in the tent at night its annoying!" "Well I'll just cut your tongue out your mouth fool!" "Well if you didn't keep me up all night!" :whistle:

FF games you never change anything other than summons name and the character name. The VO work if there is any always uses the original name anyways so who honestly bothers changing the name? :lol:

Star Ocean did that too. I named him Vesper everyone and their mother was screaming. "FAYT!" :lol:
It took a whooping 3 minutes to change his name back XD

Modifié par Ryuuichi009, 02 février 2010 - 11:48 .


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 Shepard wasn't gay in the first two games I don't think it would make sense for him to be gay in the third part

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Faust1979 wrote...

 Shepard wasn't gay in the first two games I don't think it would make sense for him to be gay in the third part


Your argument holds no weight. The game is about your choices. If you don't want to be homosexual that's cool. If the option is there and you decide that your Shepard wants to be homosexual that's cool too. You could say that your Shepard is bisexual or just keep him single throughout the first two games.

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I support there being no homosexual options in Mass Effect, and Chris Priestly says "that is fine too."

also...

Faust1979 wrote...

 Shepard wasn't gay in the first two games I don't think it would make sense for him to be gay in the third part


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You people are taking a VIDEO GAME way too seriously. You're acting like Shepard is you in some weird abnormal way (assuming your gay), you need to keep in touch with reality & use VG's as a way to escape it.

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Where does everyone get Shep being straight just because there's only straight romances? Honestly that's not true. And Shep is also not a he Shep can be female as well.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there.

>_> Right because people don't play video games as entertainment and to away from the problems, issues and prejudice of real life?

Modifié par Ryuuichi009, 02 février 2010 - 11:59 .


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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Where does everyone get Shep being straight just because there's only straight romances? Honestly that's not true. And Shep is also not a he Shep can be female as well.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean its not there.

>_> Right because people don't play video games as entertainment and to away from the problems, issues and prejudice of real life?


Besides which, any female Shepard romancing Liara isn't straight. She's a lesbian.

Saying Shepard shouldn't be gay because he wasn't in the past two games is silly in a game like Mass Effect - I might as well say that he shouldn't be a Renegade in the third game because he was a Paragon in my second game. Oh, and an Infiltrator. So he should stay an Infiltrator, too. Oh, and a dude, of course.

But...wait! I might play a female Shepard for the first time when the third game comes out! And maybe I'll replay Mass Effect 2, but this time Shepard's a woman, not a man! Or is still a man, but one who ends up with Miranda instead of Tali! Or who is a homosexual that doesn't romance anyone at all because he had no homosexual crew members to romance! Anyone who thinks that Shepard shouldn't be gay because he wasn't gay in Mass Effect 1 or 2 should probably hold off on posting until they've actually put some thought into the matter. And if you still have same opinion, then keep thinking, because you're not done yet.

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The Rickstah wrote...

You people are taking a VIDEO GAME way too seriously. You're acting like Shepard is you in some weird abnormal way (assuming your gay), you need to keep in touch with reality & use VG's as a way to escape it.



This is EXACTLY why we are so upset that there is no same-sex romance option. We live in a society where we are CONSTANTLY reminded that we are a minority, that we can't get married, that people will look down on us for raising children, that our "lifestyle" shouldn't even be mentioned in schools, and that we're going to hell.

I DO use video games as way to escape reality...and once again, when given the option to have a romance, even in a VIDEO GAME I am reminded that I'm still abnormal, unwanted, and ignored.

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Black people have it way harder than gay people, but lets not go there

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Endurance_117 wrote...

Black people have it way harder than gay people, but lets not go there


....

I would argue that that isn't true at all. Not that black people don't have a plethora of issues facing them in a white-is-the-norm society, but members of the LGBT community today face issues that black people haven't had to deal with the past 50 years, and then some. Let's not even get started on an international view of the issue.

And, just as a tidbit of information, transgendered individuals face more hate crimes and discrimniation than ALL racial minorities combined (in the US, at least).


And, to keep on topic....at least there is a black option (yay Jacob :)).

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Black people have it way harder than gay people, but lets not go there


As a black person I can safely tell you that's not true. It all depends on where you live and who you're around.

Believe me being black is hard but most of the time the only ones that make a big deal out of it are in the minority. (That seems to be shrinking more and more) . [That and cops but the cops in general in my area are douchebags that shouldn't be cops in the first place. <_< ]

And forget about being black and gay. The black communities constant homophobia disgusts me my little cousin just because he was playing with my dolls gets smacked told "only girls and ****s do that." and dragged off. One of these days I'm going to beat the mess out of that woman. <_<

Slowly but surely blacks are being treated equally (no where near it yet but getting there) but gays are a lot lower on the ladder than we are.

Though gays do have the advantage of hiding it as it where. Yay you can pretend to be something you're not.

When blacks try to hide you get Michael Jackson. :pinched:

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By the way. BioWare thank you for allowing us to at least port a gay Shep! and have the romance work with Kaiden.

Thank You! :D

Even if Kaiden says everything in one breath! XD 

Modifié par Ryuuichi009, 03 février 2010 - 12:39 .


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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Black people have it way harder than gay people, but lets not go there


As a black person I can safely tell you that's not true. It all depends on where you live and who you're around.

Believe me being black is hard but most of the time the only ones that make a big deal out of it are in the minority. (That seems to be shrinking more and more) . [That and cops but the cops in general in my area are douchebags that shouldn't be cops in the first place. <_< ]

And forget about being black and gay. The black communities constant homophobia disgusts me my little cousin just because he was playing with my dolls gets smacked told "only girls and ****s do that." and dragged off. One of these days I'm going to beat the mess out of that woman. <_<

Slowly but surely blacks are being treated equally (no where near it yet but getting there) but gays are a lot lower on the ladder than we are.

Though gays do have the advantage of hiding it as it where. Yay you can pretend to be something you're not.

When blacks try to hide you get Michael Jackson. :pinched:



I am black aswell
I was going to say forget about being black and gay, I was at Purdue when Obama won. You know what happened there is a historical tree from a black fraternity there and the next day it said, Obama is a n*, you know the rest. 

http://www.indy.com/...found-at-purdue

You can't hide being black, whenever I play a game on-line I get called the n word more probably everyday, whether it be Call of Duty, Halo, any multi player game.

Also a cupple weeks later blacks were discriminated against at a family restrant by police. 
http://www.roadfoodd...-Escalates.aspx

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I am black aswell
I was going to say forget about being black and gay, I was at Purdue when Obama won. You know what happened there is a historical tree from a black fraternity there and the next day it said, Obama is a n*, you know the rest. 

http://www.indy.com/...found-at-purdue

You can't hide being black, whenever I play a game on-line I get called the n word more probably everyday, whether it be Call of Duty, Halo, any multi player game.


Well at least you're not assumed white and then when you reveal your race they go:

"You're black? You talk white!" 

Me: "How on earth does one talk white? :huh:" 

Note: On the Obama issue. I don't care about his race. He wasn't the right person for the Job. Neither was McCain. We were screwed either way. :(

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Well in my opinion a gay interest for mass effect 3 wouldn't be horrible as long as they really really really made the dialogue initiation for that obvious and completely optional. Like he won't start going gay on your shep unless you choose that and any other time he'll be your bro.



Besides shepard as a default story and appearence for any cannon story telling in books or movies so the gay part wouldn't be canon just like shepard being a woman isn't canon, so its perfectly fine to have.

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Endurance_117 wrote...

I am black aswell
I was going to say forget about being black and gay, I was at Purdue when Obama won. You know what happened there is a historical tree from a black fraternity there and the next day it said, Obama is a n*, you know the rest. 

http://www.indy.com/...found-at-purdue

You can't hide being black, whenever I play a game on-line I get called the n word more probably everyday, whether it be Call of Duty, Halo, any multi player game.

Also a cupple weeks later blacks were discriminated against at a family restrant by police. 
http://www.roadfoodd...-Escalates.aspx


There' s no denying those people are A-holes. That's just absurd...

But, I'm sure whiel playing call of duty, you hear F** tossed around just as much.

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vengEXwolf wrote...

Well in my opinion a gay interest for mass effect 3 wouldn't be horrible as long as they really really really made the dialogue initiation for that obvious and completely optional. Like he won't start going gay on your shep unless you choose that and any other time he'll be your bro.

Besides shepard as a default story and appearence for any cannon story telling in books or movies so the gay part wouldn't be canon just like shepard being a woman isn't canon, so its perfectly fine to have.


I would wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I think one of the biggest complaints in general is that, when you start to get to know a character, it ultimately leads to romance. If you choose not to, you can't really choose to be "best buddies"....instead, it all kinda ends.

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I wanna see shepard ram it home all up in grunt show that krogan who the real dominate species is.

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biddypocket wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

I am black aswell
I was going to say forget about being black and gay, I was at Purdue when Obama won. You know what happened there is a historical tree from a black fraternity there and the next day it said, Obama is a n*, you know the rest. 

http://www.indy.com/...found-at-purdue

You can't hide being black, whenever I play a game on-line I get called the n word more probably everyday, whether it be Call of Duty, Halo, any multi player game.

Also a cupple weeks later blacks were discriminated against at a family restrant by police. 
http://www.roadfoodd...-Escalates.aspx


There' s no denying those people are A-holes. That's just absurd...

But, I'm sure whiel playing call of duty, you hear F** tossed around just as much.


**** has different meaning

There is only one meaning for n i g g e r

Which do you think hurts more?

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double post

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Mordin actually thought I liked him O.o So maybe they will go that far in ME3.. Shepard gives in to his true colors... Lol..

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I wanna see shepard ram it home all up in grunt show that krogan who the real dominate species is.


Now I'm kind of...disturbed. :unsure: Don't they have like 4 testicles?

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Yeah Shep is going to have to top that's for sure. If he doesn't top I'm not to sure he'd survive. :?

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**** has different meaning

There is only one meaning for n i g g e r

Which do you think hurts more?


Endurance you should know damn well not to ask someone something like that if you've actually ever been called a n*****. If you ever had some sneer it in your face and spit on you. Don't. Both are amazingly hurtful and cruel and to belittle either one is an insult to all of us.

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no gay shepard... PERIOD!!!

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biddypocket wrote...

vengEXwolf wrote...

Well in my opinion a gay interest for mass effect 3 wouldn't be horrible as long as they really really really made the dialogue initiation for that obvious and completely optional. Like he won't start going gay on your shep unless you choose that and any other time he'll be your bro.
.


I would wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I think one of the biggest complaints in general is that, when you start to get to know a character, it ultimately leads to romance. If you choose not to, you can't really choose to be "best buddies"....instead, it all kinda ends.


I was going to say something about that earlier but got distracted playing again.
Some people have complained that they don't want a gay option included because they were bothered by Zev's behavior in DAO. That it was too forward.
The quickest and easiest way to get rid of that arguement would be to just make it so that the options only open if Shep brings it up. Have a friendly conversation that suggests Shep and the other character are close friends, then have shep suggest the possibility of being more.
Simple enough to do since we get 6 total dialogue options per response...

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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance you should know damn well not to ask someone something like that if you've actually ever been called a n*****. If you ever had some sneer it in your face and spit on you. Don't. Both are amazingly hurtful and cruel and to belittle either one is an insult to all of us.


See, the problem with this is **** and ****got were not originally derogatory terms

**** was always a derogatory term

Matter a fact, my friend who is homosexual uses **** all the time. **** can never be replaced since the times of slavery.