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#2976
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Nautica773 wrote...

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The problem here (if you chose to see it that way) is that there has already been a precedent set with situations like this. Case in point: Garrus and Tali.
People wished and hoped for them as LIs, despite there being no indication of romantic interest from either of them in the first game. Those people voiced their concerns, gave their opinion, garnered support, made bigger threads, and with louder support, brought the subject to the attention of the devs, and didn't stop until the option was given to them.
The precedent has been set that, if you are loud enough, civil enough, and persistent enough, there's a chance your pleas might be heard.


It seems really late in the game to be altering Kaiden though. I mean, the strongest reason to have Kaiden as an option in the first place (so it could carry through all three games) isn't even possible. Best they add a new character, like what was planned with Thane.


Oh, I agree with that much. I feel like it may be too late for Kaiden lovers, unfortunately. Unless Bioware works the "unrequited love" angle with Kaiden (similar to how Tali was handled in this game), I feel as though that ship has sailed.
I was mainly responding to the "Stop whining" and " Isn't your energy better spent elsewhere?" comments, suggesting that persistance is required in this debate for any progress to be made.

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sw33ts wrote...

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LoveAsThou, dude, I accept you like Kaiden, but mate, he's in love with a girl. Unrequited as well, aint no love like unrequited love.
And no, it could not be implemented without screwing the game. First of all, they'd have to release DLC for ME1, which is just totally unfeasible. Then patch in the continuity for ME2, again, I think they'd sooner work on ME3.

People (Ryuuchi and LoveAs) keep posting that Kaiden makes sense, but no, it doesnt. It's just your crazy ravenous desire for it to happen.


O_o

Who's he in love with?  Sorry.  If it's that girl from the first game he talks about helping...he wasn't in love with her.  I don't remember that conversation going that way at all.  If you're talking about FemShep...well if manShep is in the picture FemShep doesnt' exist.


Go play that section of the game. It's abundantly clear he loved/loves her.

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Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages

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Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


Yes, he mentions a past unrequited love and also observes that Liara is a sexay alien. :D "If you like the bookish sort." "Oh, I do" :D

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Kaidan does mention a girl he met in "brain camp" Um... not sure I can say much without it becoming a spoiler though(just played through ME1 the other day)

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Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


The talk about that girl maybe he loved her but they were never actually in a relationship because of when he lost control she started fearing him.*shrugs* I didn't hear the Liara bit but maybe I wasn't paying attention? Could still be Bisexual at any rate. Even if you keep insisting they don't exist Endurance. :P

So fine fine. I'll have to place my M!Shep x Kaidan dreams on the backburner for a bit. So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)

Modifié par Ryuuichi009, 09 février 2010 - 06:14 .


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Ryuuichi009 wrote...


Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


The talk about that girl maybe he loved her but they were never actually in a relationship because of when he lost control she started fearing him.*shrugs* I didn't hear the Liara bit but maybe I wasn't paying attention? Could still be Bisexual at any rate. Even if you keep insisting they don't exist Endurance. :P

So fine fine. I'll have to place my M!Shep x Kaidan dreams on the backburner for a bit. So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)


I didn't say they didn't exist :crying:

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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


The talk about that girl maybe he loved her but they were never actually in a relationship. *shrugs* Could still be Bisexual at any rate. Even if you keep insisting they don't exist Endurance. :P

So fine fine. I'll have to place my M!Shep x Kaidan dreams on the backburner for a bit. So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)


BioWare shot themself in the foot with that remark -_- it was dumb and contradictory. I really think Casey should come correct himself. Because either way if the Asari are female, femshep can be a lesbian. If she's not a woman then maleshep becomes omnisexual. They can't talk their way out of that... I'm so sick of the Asari debate though.

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Triple post even! Go me

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 09 février 2010 - 06:16 .


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BLARG double post

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 09 février 2010 - 06:15 .


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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


The talk about that girl maybe he loved her but they were never actually in a relationship because of when he lost control she started fearing him.*shrugs* I didn't hear the Liara bit but maybe I wasn't paying attention? Could still be Bisexual at any rate. Even if you keep insisting they don't exist Endurance. :P


Or he could actually be straight? Imagine that, a man being attracted to a woman without actually secretly being Bi as well...sounds INSANE right? Lol. J/k
But seriously, that post is so bitter Ryuuchi, you REALLY want Kaiden man...despite ALL the evidence present, you still wont concede. 10/10 for spirit. 2/10 for not seeing undeniable logic.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 09 février 2010 - 06:18 .


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Oh and something else to ponder.

We do know from the cracked-code videos that a patch would unlock the option for Kaidan in 1.

But the steamy-scene would have to be recoded. So the patch isn't as simple as something that alters the gender flags.



Plus. We have no idea if a patch would work on the 360 because you can't crack 360 codes without official Microsoft ninjas finding you and killing you in your sleep... Just because some stuff made it into the PC version doesn't mean it made it into the 360 version.


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Akrim_Drak wrote...

BLARG double post


triple post LOL

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Endurance_117 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

BLARG double post


triple post LOL


Yeah yeah! I saw that...

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


Yes, he mentions a past unrequited love and also observes that Liara is a sexay alien. :D "If you like the bookish sort." "Oh, I do" :D


I remember the Liara part...and I'm listening a video with the kaidan part.  And I've yet to see him say I love her.  It starts at 2:45.  But even so...it is possible for someone to be in love with 2 sexes...just like it's possible to be in love with two people.



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Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...


Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


The talk about that girl maybe he loved her but they were never actually in a relationship because of when he lost control she started fearing him.*shrugs* I didn't hear the Liara bit but maybe I wasn't paying attention? Could still be Bisexual at any rate. Even if you keep insisting they don't exist Endurance. :P

So fine fine. I'll have to place my M!Shep x Kaidan dreams on the backburner for a bit. So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)


I didn't say they didn't exist :crying:


Sure you didn't. :innocent:

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


The
talk about that girl maybe he loved her but they were never actually in
a relationship. *shrugs* Could still be Bisexual at any rate. Even if
you keep insisting they don't exist Endurance. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

So
fine fine. I'll have to place my M!Shep x Kaidan dreams on the
backburner for a bit. So all malien species is pretty much agreed on
for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]


BioWare
shot themself in the foot with that remark -_- it was dumb and
contradictory. I really think Casey should come correct
himself. Because either way if the Asari are female, femshep can be a
lesbian. If she's not a woman then maleshep becomes omnisexual. They
can't talk their way out of that... I'm so sick of the Asari debate
though.


Honestly that whole comment made the debate a field day if anyone wants to run with it. :lol: So Liara isn't a female when sleeping with F!Shep but magically turns into one when sleeping with M!Shep huh? :lol:

Modifié par Ryuuichi009, 09 février 2010 - 06:19 .


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Ryuuichi009 wrote...
So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)


Actually, unless I missed a post, we had all agreed that any sort of optional DLC character would be acceptable. Hendel in particular because he's already an established character so it wouldn't be a cheap tack-on to placate a small group.

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sw33ts wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


Yes, he mentions a past unrequited love and also observes that Liara is a sexay alien. :D "If you like the bookish sort." "Oh, I do" :D


I remember the Liara part...and I'm listening a video with the kaidan part.  And I've yet to see him say I love her.  It starts at 2:45.  But even so...it is possible for someone to be in love with 2 sexes...just like it's possible to be in love with two people.



He doesn't come out and say it, but if you can't tell from the emotions on display then you're deluding yourself.

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Akrim_Drak wrote...

BLARG double post


I think that was a triple post sir. 

I haven't seen the direct quote from Casey, is it possible it was misunderstood? It seems that some of the writers, at the very least, do not agree with that supposition.

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Let's just root for Hendel ._. because wanting Kaidan bothers some people. (discuss him in the group I guess?) I'm all for keeping this thread civil believe me.

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So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)


Actually, unless I missed a post, we had all agreed that any sort of optional DLC character would be acceptable. Hendel in particular because he's already an established character so it wouldn't be a cheap tack-on to placate a small group.


Sounds interesting. I just hope he's sexy :wizard:.

So is he bisexual or just straight gay in the books? To avoid confusion.

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Akrim_Drak wrote...

Let's just root for Hendel ._. because wanting Kaidan bothers some people. (discuss him in the group I guess?) I'm all for keeping this thread civil believe me.


Ah, would anyone mind pointing out who's Hendel for me? :D;;

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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...
So all malien species is pretty much agreed on for the convient "Its not MM because its an alien?" excuse? ;)


Actually, unless I missed a post, we had all agreed that any sort of optional DLC character would be acceptable. Hendel in particular because he's already an established character so it wouldn't be a cheap tack-on to placate a small group.


Sounds interesting. I just hope he's sexy :wizard:.

So is he bisexual or just straight gay in the books? To avoid confusion.


He's gay. Kahlee's boyfriend says he thinks the two of them have something going and she laughs with a: "You're more his type" remark. There's a concept art picture of Zaeed that a lot of people thought was hendel at first because that's almost how he was described. I'll go look for it.

Edit: In the second Mass Effect novel "Ascension" One of the main characters is an ex-marine biotic named Hendel.

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

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Did Kaiden talk about a girl and Liara being hot? I forgot, haven't played ME1 in ages


Yes, he mentions a past unrequited love and also observes that Liara is a sexay alien. :D "If you like the bookish sort." "Oh, I do" :D


I remember the Liara part...and I'm listening a video with the kaidan part.  And I've yet to see him say I love her.  It starts at 2:45.  But even so...it is possible for someone to be in love with 2 sexes...just like it's possible to be in love with two people.



He doesn't come out and say it, but if you can't tell from the emotions on display then you're deluding yourself.


Lol.  It seems more like regret he didn't so something sooner.  I mean I'd snap someone's neck in his position if it were done to a close friend of mine...maybe not snap..maybe like punch in the face...and that doesn't mean I'm in love with him/her.

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From what I've heard he's gay. Mind you, I haven't read them so I honestly can't say for sure. It would be nice if an unbiased party could answer that lol



As for sexy, according to the mass effect wiki he's half hindi half nordic.

so... yes.