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[FataliTensei]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

biddypocket wrote...

vengEXwolf wrote...

Well in my opinion a gay interest for mass effect 3 wouldn't be horrible as long as they really really really made the dialogue initiation for that obvious and completely optional. Like he won't start going gay on your shep unless you choose that and any other time he'll be your bro.
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I would wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I think one of the biggest complaints in general is that, when you start to get to know a character, it ultimately leads to romance. If you choose not to, you can't really choose to be "best buddies"....instead, it all kinda ends.

I was going to say something about that earlier but got distracted playing again.
Some people have complained that they don't want a gay option included because they were bothered by Zev's behavior in DAO. That it was too forward.
The quickest and easiest way to get rid of that arguement would be to just make it so that the options only open if Shep brings it up. Have a friendly conversation that suggests Shep and the other character are close friends, then have shep suggest the possibility of being more.
Simple enough to do since we get 6 total dialogue options per response...

More dialouge options in general would be nice

[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance you should know damn well not to ask someone something like that if you've actually ever been called a n*****. If you ever had some sneer it in your face and spit on you. Don't. Both are amazingly hurtful and cruel and to belittle either one is an insult to all of us.

See, the problem with this is **** and ****got were not originally derogatory terms

**** was always a derogatory term

Matter a fact, my friend who is homosexual uses **** all the time. **** can never be replaced since the times of slavery.

And that's why I see a bunch of black guys nonchantly calling each other "My N*****?" You realize blacks do the same thing your gay friend does right? I also call my friends N***** (heck it doesn't even matter the race) . THe word has become synamous with lazy to me. I wouldn't call anyone it that I didn't know. But heck each of my friends know if I think they're being lazy/idiotic I'll call them a n***** even if their skin is snow white.

It all depends on the person using the word and how they are using it.

You are confusing N I G G A with N I G G E R

N I G G A - has become a term of friendship, even white people I know use it twords there friends and black people they know.

N I G G E R - Derogatory term

Do you friends go around saying, what's up my N I G G E R?

[Endurance_117]

lol, Go up to any older African American and ask which is hurtful.

[Endurance_117]

And you are comparing B i t c h to N i g g e r. When is the last time a game had the word N i g g er in it? I know GTA San Andreas has n i g g a. Two totally different words

[Endurance_117]

So you are telling me go up to a homosexual african american and ask which is worse, being called a fa g or being called a nigge r. It's not even a contest

[HelterSkelter89]

it's not very heroic or manly to be gay. i'm not homophobic but the last thing i imagine a hero like shepard doing is pounding some dude's a** or worse yet getting his pounded by the other guy. sorry but no, it's not going to happen because too many people are either just against the idea or homophobic and outright hat ethe idea. in this case intolerance is a good thing.

[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

lol, Go up to any older African American and ask which is hurtful.

Go up to any gay person that is as old as the African American and ask the same thing.

*sighs* You're not getting it. How about you think about it for a while before you post again?


LOL N i g g a and N i g g e r are two different words? 

You must be joking. Ugh. I'm threw. You obviously don't understand or want to understand what I'm saying.

You obviously know nothing of the psychology of words. Take a class in it sometime

[SorrowAndJoy7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

You obviously know nothing of the psychology of words. Take a class in it sometime

I have to agree with the other guy, they're the same word. Ending it with an a or an er is meaningless... It's like "mah' and "my" somehow being different now. They're not it's just the way the person saying it talks o.O

[biddypocket]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

it's not very heroic or manly to be gay. i'm not homophobic but the last thing i imagine a hero like shepard doing is pounding some dude's a** or worse yet getting his pounded by the other guy. sorry but no, it's not going to happen because too many people are either just against the idea or homophobic and outright hat ethe idea. in this case intolerance is a good thing.

Well, if you read a few pages back, you will see some argument about this. You may not be homophobic, but it sure is ignorant to think that homosexuality implies feminity, or a lack of manliness. Everything that is fed into the stereotype of a homosexual male is purely socially constructed. There are gays just as "manly" (whatever that truly means) as heteros, and many heteros (not to hate, but....your average theater major...) that act effeminite.

Sexuality literally has nothing to do with it. For heaven's sake, the model used for default maleshep is effeminite yet heterosexual. It's just a ridiculous argument.

Modifié par biddypocket, 03 février 2010 - 01:38 .

[Justin2k]

Please just stop this already. Shepard is a character, a fleshed out written character with history and backstory and he is straight. And yes, I said he. Because in the official canon he is a straight guy.

ME is not one of these RPG's where you control every aspect of your character. You can't decide he is gay any more than you can decide to choose to shoot Joker in the head. It just isn't part of the story.  You cannot rewrite LOTR, you cannot rewrite final fantasy.  I don't get why it is such a big deal.  I think people are thinking ME is less linear than it is.  It is just a story and the main guy romances women.  He's done so for 2 games and whatever books and comics and it would not suit to have a sexuality change out of the blue.  Not everyone is gay, nor does everyone have to be and gay people are accomodated in media enough as it is.  Its wrong to accuse Bioware of being anti gay when DA : O has gay romances.  Why not insult a game company that hasn't shown support for your minority?

You really want one of the more expansive RPG's such as Oblivion etc if you want to pretend you are a gay character, because ME is more of a story than a roleplaying game.

Theres no reason to make Shepard gay, other than to appease a small minority of the playerbase.

Modifié par Justin2k, 03 février 2010 - 01:42 .

[RyuAzai]

The idea of "maniless" varies and is not a truth, but a cultural perception of where you grew up. And while this perception may be 'real' to you, they are limited to your scope and those around you.



It really depends on where you are and who you interact with.



Now are these ideas correct? I don't think so. Lots of them are riddle with insecurities and fears that have been rationalized in ways so people don't feel bad about something.



Man: I am not good at cooking..

Man 2: Don't worry! Cooking is for women! We don't have to be good at it, we still win!

Man: Hooray!



Now in today's world this perception isn't as popular as others, almost gone, though the point is most ideas of gender roles or class roles started from insecurity or feelings of fear within the human culture.

[SorrowAndJoy7]

The idea that a Shepard can't be gay because of what the canon shepard is, is moronic. The canon shepard is a straight male? So why can you choose to be a female shepard o.O, why can you call kelly up to your room to cuddle and strip for your female shepard. Why can you hate or go out of your way to aid cerberus. This is all Un-canon, so obviously things that aren't canon should be and are included.

I can accept people don't want gay romances in the game.... but arguing that it's un-canon, is the most stupid ridiculous argument of them all.

Modifié par SorrowAndJoy7, 03 février 2010 - 01:43 .

[Endurance_117]

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

You obviously know nothing of the psychology of words. Take a class in it sometime

I have to agree with the other guy, they're the same word. Ending it with an a or an er is meaningless... It's like "mah' and "my" somehow being different now. They're not it's just the way the person saying it talks o.O

So you are saying read and ready are the same word? Cool story bro

[Endurance_117]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigga



vs



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger



all the backstory you need. Two words with different meanings

[biddypocket]

RyuAzai wrote...

The idea of "maniless" varies and is not a truth, but a cultural perception of where you grew up. And while this perception may be 'real' to you, they are limited to your scope and those around you.

It really depends on where you are and who you interact with.

Now are these ideas correct? I don't think so. Lots of them are riddle with insecurities and fears that have been rationalized in ways so people don't feel bad about something.

Man: I am not good at cooking..
Man 2: Don't worry! Cooking is for women! We don't have to be good at it, we still win!
Man: Hooray!

Now in today's world this perception isn't as popular as others, almost gone, though the point is most ideas of gender roles or class roles started from insecurity or feelings of fear within the human culture.

I agree!

There is some great feminist literature out there that tackles this exact concept. Why is it SO horrible for a man to be considered effeminite? That is simply reinforcing the idea that the social ideal is to be male. What is it about being a woman that is so horrible? Why are men any less male for not living up to these culturally perscribed notions, and what is this reinforicng about how we invision women in society?

the only  true differences between men and women are biological.

Modifié par biddypocket, 03 février 2010 - 01:45 .

[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

You obviously know nothing of the psychology of words. Take a class in it sometime

I have to agree with the other guy, they're the same word. Ending it with an a or an er is meaningless... It's like "mah' and "my" somehow being different now. They're not it's just the way the person saying it talks o.O

So you are saying read and ready are the same word? Cool story bro

Now you're either ignorant or your trollin. Read = have read something. Ready = prepared to do something. You know what? Forget it. This is a waste of time. You keep using N I G G A if it makes you feel better. Keep pretending that the word wasn't rooted from the insult.

Humbug used to be an insult and derogatory word? Did you know that?

[FlyingFrankMan]

How about this.

When you load your ME2 character you can change his sex, making him a transsexual.