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[BlameTheMessenger]

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Why is it wrong for people to not wanting gay stuff in their games.. Some people are seriously disgusted by backdoor penetration, and that is why ME does NOT have it in their game. And as someone before said, ME is more popular than DAO

If they are seriously disgusted by it, they can choose not to do it.  What's the problem here?  Just having the option of being gay will force you against your will to choose all the gay dialogue options?  I highly doubt that.

What does popularity have to do with it?  The more popular something is, the more exclusionary it has to be?  That's ridiculous.

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

[Ninja Mage]

Look what you made me do Bioware!! Thanks to the powers of modern technology..(and a salarian doctor) My shepard went from this



To this!




Oh well...~Hugs Garrus~ lol

[Skemte]

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Skemte wrote...

jselene wrote...

I have a feeling that some people have a mental wall between DA:O and ME2, because of combat style and popularity. You do realize that that is just the old "dumbed down for shooters/casual gamers" tirade, but from the other side, right?

(I'm pretty sure the devs intended Liara to be female, and pansexual. "Monogendered" does not mean they have *no* gender, it means they have *one*. "Woman" refers to the gender identity of human females as opposed to human males--as such, she is not one. But she *is* female. Google "Brahminy blindsnake"--that a species reproduces asexually doesn't mean that they are asexual. So yeah, there's f/f, but no m/m.)

Finally, the characters can be whatever they want them to. Kaiden was not bisexual because of time constraints. That was confirmed by the devs. There's footage on Youtube proving that maleShep/Thane dialogue is recorded, but likely cut. And I doubt anyone is so specific that they *demand* Jacob or *demand* Morrigan. Most just want a option.

  I see but lesbian relationships like in the first is alright?  Furthermore its called choice making, people may be disgusted with the character shooting innocent people in the head cold-blooded..  A far more serious thing if we were to objectively say so, but this is a GAME of choice.. No one is choosing to go down that path..  Grow up and understand that,  really couldn't care less if its in the game or not.. Its just the bigotry and hypocrisy disgusts me..   

If people are disgusted by shooting people they probably shouldn't but a shooting game, it makes sense right? And if people wants to see backdoor penetration, they buy porn games cheap from russia..

  So what you are trying to say is you got this game to have sex with aliens? And you misread I said innocent people, you can shoot or kill quite a few innocent people for the helluva it.. But the game gives you the CHOICE not too.. Furthermore you can have lesbian relationships in the Mass Effect games.. 

[Endurance_117]

BrianWilly wrote...

What does popularity have to do with it?  The more popular something is, the more exclusionary it has to be?  That's ridiculous.

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

Modifié par Endurance_117, 03 février 2010 - 06:42 .

[jselene]

Skemte wrote...

jselene wrote...

I have a feeling that some people have a mental wall between DA:O and ME2, because of combat style and popularity. You do realize that that is just the old "dumbed down for shooters/casual gamers" tirade, but from the other side, right?

(I'm pretty sure the devs intended Liara to be female, and pansexual. "Monogendered" does not mean they have *no* gender, it means they have *one*. "Woman" refers to the gender identity of human females as opposed to human males--as such, she is not one. But she *is* female. Google "Brahminy blindsnake"--that a species reproduces asexually doesn't mean that they are asexual. So yeah, there's f/f, but no m/m.)

Finally, the characters can be whatever they want them to. Kaiden was not bisexual because of time constraints. That was confirmed by the devs. There's footage on Youtube proving that maleShep/Thane dialogue is recorded, but likely cut. And I doubt anyone is so specific that they *demand* Jacob or *demand* Morrigan. Most just want a option.

  I see but lesbian relationships like in the first is alright?  Furthermore its called choice making, people may be disgusted with the character shooting innocent people in the head cold-blooded..  A far more serious thing if we were to objectively say so, but this is a GAME of choice.. No one is choosing to go down that path..  Grow up and understand that,  really couldn't care less if its in the game or not.. Its just the bigotry and hypocrisy disgusts me..   

*eyebrow* I'm on your side, you know that right?  I just said that
1) Saying that a game's popularity should disqualify it from having same-sex romance is unintentionally advocating the "dumbed down for blah" argument.
2) Femshep/Liara is f/f
3) The devs can choose what their characters are, but some of the ones that were originally bi were changed due to time restraints
4) Most people are just asking for one same-sex romance option per gender, without requiring which one it is (ie. demanding Jacob but not Thane, etc.)

[BlameTheMessenger]

Skemte wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Skemte wrote...

jselene wrote...

I have a feeling that some people have a mental wall between DA:O and ME2, because of combat style and popularity. You do realize that that is just the old "dumbed down for shooters/casual gamers" tirade, but from the other side, right?

(I'm pretty sure the devs intended Liara to be female, and pansexual. "Monogendered" does not mean they have *no* gender, it means they have *one*. "Woman" refers to the gender identity of human females as opposed to human males--as such, she is not one. But she *is* female. Google "Brahminy blindsnake"--that a species reproduces asexually doesn't mean that they are asexual. So yeah, there's f/f, but no m/m.)

Finally, the characters can be whatever they want them to. Kaiden was not bisexual because of time constraints. That was confirmed by the devs. There's footage on Youtube proving that maleShep/Thane dialogue is recorded, but likely cut. And I doubt anyone is so specific that they *demand* Jacob or *demand* Morrigan. Most just want a option.

  I see but lesbian relationships like in the first is alright?  Furthermore its called choice making, people may be disgusted with the character shooting innocent people in the head cold-blooded..  A far more serious thing if we were to objectively say so, but this is a GAME of choice.. No one is choosing to go down that path..  Grow up and understand that,  really couldn't care less if its in the game or not.. Its just the bigotry and hypocrisy disgusts me..   

If people are disgusted by shooting people they probably shouldn't but a shooting game, it makes sense right? And if people wants to see backdoor penetration, they buy porn games cheap from russia..

  So what you are trying to say is you got this game to have sex with aliens? And you misread I said innocent people, you can shoot or kill quite a few innocent people for the helluva it.. But the game gives you the CHOICE not too.. Furthermore you can have lesbian relationships in the Mass Effect games.. 

That is because more men statistically will buy the game, and they are not disgusted by lesbian sex. And in shooters you see ALOT of dead innocent people.

[thebuggiman]

Im just thinking about the voice actors have to record dialogues like this: (deep voice) Ohh i love you Grunt..

not that im against the whole gay input in the game, just kind of laughed when i thought about the voice actors

[BrianWilly]

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 03 février 2010 - 06:47 .

[BlameTheMessenger]

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

Because there are more intolerant people in the world

[Ninja Mage]

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

Because there are more intolerant people in the world

You seem pretty intolerant yourself. Just because a guy has sex with another guy it makes him a sissy?? What if I said I was disgusted that you stuck your tongue down Miranda's throat. You're just full of double standards and bull****.  There's a lesbian romance again but not a gay one. So your ''afraid to court controversy'' argument went right out the window

[Endurance_117]

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

You missed the point.

The more that something is popular, the more likely someone with try to find something that is controversial and spread it on the news.

DAO is not popular, they can do what ever they want and people/news won't care.

[BrianWilly]

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because there are more intolerant people in the world

I don't know where you live, but most civil countries do not allow "tyranny of the majority," particularly in regards to intolerant views. The fact that there are more intolerant people in the world is a problem to be addressed, not a status quo to be leaned upon.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 03 février 2010 - 06:58 .

[BlameTheMessenger]

Ninja Mage wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

Because there are more intolerant people in the world

You seem pretty intolerant yourself. Just because a guy has sex with another guy it makes him a sissy?? What if I said I was disgusted that you stuck your tongue down Miranda's throat. You're just full of double standards and bull****.  There's a lesbian romance again but not a gay one. So your ''afraid to court controversy'' argument went right out the window

I am not speaking for myself, only for why the game developers might have choosen NOT to put it in the game.. And if you are disgusted by a man kissing a woman, then you live on the wrong planet. And saying im full of double standards is complete BS since im trying to see it from all perspectives, but the part i dont get is why there is a 23 page long forum about people ****ing about them not being able to hump Thane or Jacob...

[Ninja Mage]

Endurance_117 wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

You missed the point.

The more that something is popular, the more likely someone with try to find something that is controversial and spread it on the news.

DAO is not popular, they can do what ever they want and people/news won't care.

Dragon Age was pretty popular last time I checked. And the new york times even had a little article about the gay Zevran relationship. No one burst into flames, no one died. You are exaggerating what a gay romance would do to people buying the game because your viewpoint is already biased and hateful.

[YakoHako]

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because there are more intolerant people in the world

I don't know where you live, but most civil countries do not allow "tyranny of the majority," particularly in regards to intolerant views. The fact that there are more intolerant people in the world is a problem to be addressed, not a status quo to be leaned upon.

That's a great quote.

[BlameTheMessenger]

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because there are more intolerant people in the world

I don't know where you live, but most civil countries do not allow "tyranny of the majority," particularly in regards to intolerant views. The fact that there are more intolerant people in the world is a problem to be addressed, not a status quo to be leaned upon.

I dont like it either, but i dont mean intolerant as a ol' redneck idiot sitting on his front porch with a shotgun shooting every person he doesn't tolerate.. Im just saying that most people will see the gay shepard as offending, and ive never spoken for myself in here, my opinion is that i feel it is weird to have Shepard + grunt installed on my PC

[BrianWilly]

Endurance_117 wrote...
You missed the point.

The more that something is popular, the more likely someone with try to find something that is controversial and spread it on the news.

DAO is not popular, they can do what ever they want and people/news won't care.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.  GTA and Modern Warfare are your two "popular" examples and they seem to do whatever they want, no matter what kind of attention it draws.  And DA:O seems to be pretty popular, considering all the awards it's won including several "Game of the Year" types.

And again, though, how is that bad?  How has being spread on the news for "controversy" ever hurt any game in any way?  You bring up GTA and Modern Warfare as controversial games, except that those are two of the most popular franchises around and definitely not hurting for sales or players.

[Endurance_117]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Because when stuff is popular, more people buys it, and the chances are more "intolerant" people will get it.

Why should I, or you, or Bioware care what intolerant people think?  They need to cater their games to meet the standards of racist, sexist, or discriminatory viewpoints now?

Endurance_117 wrote...

See Contoversy 101 with popular games
GTA and Modern Warfare 2

What about it?  How does that hurt the game, or its players?  Last time I checked, neither of those franchises are exactly fretting over being controversial, what with laughing all the way to the bank.

Bioware themselves have said that they don't mind courting controversy.  They've said this quite a number of times.  EA isn't exactly a safe company either, putting their support behind DA: O and the Sims.

You missed the point.

The more that something is popular, the more likely someone with try to find something that is controversial and spread it on the news.

DAO is not popular, they can do what ever they want and people/news won't care.

Dragon Age was pretty popular last time I checked. And the new york times even had a little article about the gay Zevran relationship. No one burst into flames, no one died. You are exaggerating what a gay romance would do to people buying the game because your viewpoint is already biased and hateful.

No DAO is not popular >3 million copies sold total is not popular by todays standards

Matter of fact, when Bully came out it had a boy kissing a boy and BOOM, The news was on it because Rockstar made it.
If Rockstar made DAO it would have been controversial

Leasure Suit Larry had naked girls running around, game was not popular so the news didn't jump on it

[BlameTheMessenger]

BrianWilly wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...
You missed the point.

The more that something is popular, the more likely someone with try to find something that is controversial and spread it on the news.

DAO is not popular, they can do what ever they want and people/news won't care.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.  GTA and Modern Warfare are your two "popular" examples and they seem to do whatever they want, no matter what kind of attention it draws.  And DA:O seems to be pretty popular, considering all the awards it's won including several "Game of the Year" types.

And again, though, how is that bad?  How has being spread on the news for "controversy" ever hurt any game in any way?  You bring up GTA and Modern Warfare as controversial games, except that those are two of the most popular franchises around and definitely not hurting for sales or players.

GTA is popular because of the shooting and killing, MW2 because it is a damn good game. Their scenes aren't that disturbing, and they give you opportunity to skip it.. And buying GTA you should know what you are doing

[Endurance_117]

BrianWilly wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...
You missed the point.

The more that something is popular, the more likely someone with try to find something that is controversial and spread it on the news.

DAO is not popular, they can do what ever they want and people/news won't care.

I don't understand what you're trying to say.  GTA and Modern Warfare are your two "popular" examples and they seem to do whatever they want, no matter what kind of attention it draws.  And DA:O seems to be pretty popular, considering all the awards it's won including several "Game of the Year" types.

And again, though, how is that bad?  How has being spread on the news for "controversy" ever hurt any game in any way?  You bring up GTA and Modern Warfare as controversial games, except that those are two of the most popular franchises around and definitely not hurting for sales or players.

POPULARITY = CONTROVERSY

that is the point

[BrianWilly]

Okay, but I still don't see why that is bad.

[BlameTheMessenger]

BrianWilly wrote...

Okay, but I still don't see why that is bad.

Controversy = Less copies sold = less money for bioware = sad CEO

[Iron Ranger]

Yes I think should be happy, very happy. I mean he's back from the dead and saved the universe, twice!

[BrianWilly]

BlameTheMessenger wrote...

Controversy = Less copies sold

Is there any real evidence of this?  I personally have never seen any indication of it; in fact, most games tend to show the opposite reaction.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 03 février 2010 - 07:12 .