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[YakoHako]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...



I don't know I actually think the model is hotter than default Shep. I need to find some pics with him with long hair.
>_>

FOUND IT! 



He's much hotter with long hair.

If only this is how default Shep looked. At least then everyone one and their mother falling in love with him would make SENSE. <3

How can you even be looking up at the hair if those are  the pictures you're going to be showing?

And making this post ME related... the only thing I can think to say is what I already have said, which is... my grammar is horrible and I fail at using ellipses (and also I can't spell it without using google ) Anyway!  The only point I can make is one that several others already have: if you can have gay female relationships, why can't you have gay male relationships?

[Jimmy Fury]

hmmm perhaps this needs to be detailed since people still don't quite understand it...
The Asari.
A lesson on Gender, Sex, and Sexuality.

There is a scientific, psychological, and grammatical difference between the words "sex" and "gender".
Sex is determined by chromosome and anatomical features. XX=female organs=female. XY=Male organs=male.
Gender is a cultural perception of masculinity and femininity. While these concepts, due to the limitations of a single sapient species planet, overlap in virtually every way... They are not, in fact, the same.

Now. In the case of the Asari this difference becomes much more pronounced. The Asari do not have a sex. They do, however, have a Gender. Their anatomical features are variable depending on their mate, therefore from a sexual perspective they are both /and neither/ male and female.
Yet their gender is clearly, by human definitions, female. Feminine pronouns and language are used in every reference to their entire species. She, Her, hers, goddess, matriarch, mother, etc.
Their bodies are shaped in a way that humans perceive as female. Large breasts, wide hips, curves, etc etc.
These are human female features.

Now. And here's the kicker. Sexuality.
The Asari are omnisexual. They can physically breed with virtually every species in the game. They can not, by any human definition of sexuality, be straight or gay or even bi because their attractions and abilities go far beyond the limitations of two sets of sexual organs.
*However*.
For a human to be attracted to an Asari they must be attracted to females. As covered, Asari physically share all the identifying features of human females.

So Liara's sexuality is irrelivant. fShep romancing her *is* a lesbian relationship because f.Shep *must* be attracted to the female form in order to be attracted to any Asari.

oi.

Edit: Ach i don't know what's up with my posts. Something in my devil-machine computer is causing every line drop to double. Sorry.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 03 février 2010 - 10:15 .

[FataliTensei]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

hmmm perhaps this needs to be detailed since people still don't quite understand it...
The Asari.
A lesson on Gender, Sex, and Sexuality.

There is a scientific, psychological, and grammatical difference between the words "sex" and "gender".
Sex is determined by chromosome and anatomical features. XX=female organs=female. XY=Male organs=male.
Gender is a cultural perception of masculinity and femininity. While these concepts, due to the limitations of a single sapient species planet, overlap in virtually every way... They are not, in fact, the same.

Now. In the case of the Asari this difference becomes much more pronounced. The Asari do not have a sex. They do, however, have a Gender. Their anatomical features are variable depending on their mate, therefore from a sexual perspective they are both /and neither/ male and female.
Yet their gender is clearly, by human definitions, female. Feminine pronouns and language are used in every reference to their entire species. She, Her, hers, goddess, matriarch, mother, etc.
Their bodies are shaped in a way that humans perceive as female. Large breasts, wide hips, curves, etc etc.
These are human female features.

Now. And here's the kicker. Sexuality.
The Asari are omnisexual. They can physically breed with virtually every species in the game. They can not, by any human definition of sexuality, be straight or gay or even bi because their attractions and abilities go far beyond the limitations of two sets of sexual organs.
*However*.
For a human to be attracted to an Asari they must be attracted to females. As covered, Asari physically share all the identifying features of human females.

So Liara's sexuality is irrelivant. fShep romancing her *is* a lesbian relationship because f.Shep *must* be attracted to the female form in order to be attracted to any Asari.

oi.

Edit: Ach i don't know what's up with my posts. Something in my devil-machine computer is causing every line drop to double. Sorry.

Very well said

[BrianWilly]

You are of course completely correct sir...it's all fairly rudimentary anthropology. Of course, that's not going to stop hoards of people from continuing to step in here and declare that "ASARI ARE MONOGENDERED SO THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT GAY LOL YOU LOSE LOL"

[Eternal Dust]

Katsaurs wrote...

Policyofnoreturn wrote...

Katsaurs wrote...

Reading this thread honestly makes me want to cry at times at how...damn I can't even find the right word. I thought there was some civil discussion going on part way through and that made me happy, but now to have it suddenly derail once again? 

And i'll just leave this here, because so far this is all I seem to be hearing- I think, in some sense, it sums the arguements up well to a degree- of course please take it with a hint of salt and satire Just a bit of fun.



Edit: Major fail on my part for that not even working lol

Katsaurs - fantastic job on the "photo-roman" you linked in your post Had a good and much needed laugh.

Hahah you're very welcome, I had fun making it and I'm glad it's making a few people chuckle

I applaud you lol

[Lightice_av]

*sigh*

I'm somewhat dissapointed. Were people here just for the bloody fights? Constructive discussion is in order, not just simple agreement.



Lets try to take some iniative here: what do you think the reason behind leaving the same-sex content out of Mass Effect 2 was, and what would be the best way to alleviate this for ME3? I personally suspect that marketing was at fault here; Bioware hasn't feared controversy in the past, and has actually benefitted from it. Electronic Arts is a more conservative venture, but they had no issue with similar content in Dragon Age. Hence, it's most likely to assume that the marketing determined that there is no demand for such content.



Now, how would this assumption be alleviated? This thread is a good start, but it won't go anywhere if people don't do anything but argue with trolls in it. This is a test-run, I would suspect; an attempt by the moderators, and by the extension the dev team to see if there is anything really behind it or not. I would say that more needs to be done than just request threads to maximize the possibility for the pleas to be heard.



Now, does anyone else feel interested in adding or arguing anything I suggested, or an entirely different path to offer?

[JamesT91]

NO!!!!!

Modifié par JamesT91, 03 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[JamesT91]

:innocent:

Modifié par JamesT91, 03 février 2010 - 11:44 .

[Endurance_117]

JamesT91 wrote...

NO!!!!! how could a gay be a tough,killer,hero? he couldnt hed be too worried about his nails and ****- dont ruin a great character

Prepare your anus

[jselene]

Wow!  Chris!  

Lightice_av wrote...

*sigh*
I'm somewhat dissapointed. Were people here just for the bloody fights? Constructive discussion is in order, not just simple agreement.

Lets try to take some iniative here: what do you think the reason behind leaving the same-sex content out of Mass Effect 2 was, and what would be the best way to alleviate this for ME3? I personally suspect that marketing was at fault here; Bioware hasn't feared controversy in the past, and has actually benefitted from it. Electronic Arts is a more conservative venture, but they had no issue with similar content in Dragon Age. Hence, it's most likely to assume that the marketing determined that there is no demand for such content.

Now, how would this assumption be alleviated? This thread is a good start, but it won't go anywhere if people don't do anything but argue with trolls in it. This is a test-run, I would suspect; an attempt by the moderators, and by the extension the dev team to see if there is anything really behind it or not. I would say that more needs to be done than just request threads to maximize the possibility for the pleas to be heard.

Now, does anyone else feel interested in adding or arguing anything I suggested, or an entirely different path to offer?

Test run: I agree!  They were probably thinking that ME2 is made for the mass-market, so they didn't want to offend their new shooter base, while at the same time gauging the reaction of their older base.  I mean, the lack of m/m in ME was kind of a non-issue, so maybe they thought nobody cared, and that they could 'get away with it' so to speak, without controversy?  I remember Gaider saying that EA was reluctant to allow same-sex content in DA:O, so removal was probably the path of least resistance, at least on that front.  :/  

So yeah, keeping this thread alive is a worthy goal.    Also, for game-relevance: maleShep/Thane FTW!  I don't know if the existance of those dialogue audio files makes me feel better or worse...

[jselene]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

^You want a link? They make me muse about what might have been. T_T

I've seen it before, but I'd love a link.   I can't seem to find it on my youtube searches, sadly.

[BrianWilly]

Wait hold on, there are male/Thane dialogues??

DO WANT PLZ

Modifié par BrianWilly, 03 février 2010 - 11:49 .

[Endurance_117]

Where is my Miranda/Ashley/Kelly orgy? 

[BrianWilly]

Oh it's for Kaidan.  Pfft, totally boring.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 03 février 2010 - 11:54 .

[jselene]

Thanks!   Yeah, it is kind of cutely awkward.  If only I knew French!  



^Linkified link.  xD

[La Sangreal]

I think I might make new saves for ME1 so people can play the maleshep and femshep same-sex romances in their entirety. Right now I've only made saves available that were right before Ilos. Hrmmm...

[jselene]

La Sangreal wrote...

I think I might make new saves for ME1 so people can play the maleshep and femshep same-sex romances in their entirety. Right now I've only made saves available that were right before Ilos. Hrmmm...

That would be much appreciated!  But question: is the rest of the dialogue voiced?  Because that would be awesome.  (Gah, you're making me wish I had bought ME for pc. )

[newcomplex]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

hmmm perhaps this needs to be detailed since people still don't quite understand it...
The Asari.
A lesson on Gender, Sex, and Sexuality.

There is a scientific, psychological, and grammatical difference between the words "sex" and "gender".
Sex is determined by chromosome and anatomical features. XX=female organs=female. XY=Male organs=male.
Gender is a cultural perception of masculinity and femininity. While these concepts, due to the limitations of a single sapient species planet, overlap in virtually every way... They are not, in fact, the same.

Now. In the case of the Asari this difference becomes much more pronounced. The Asari do not have a sex. They do, however, have a Gender. Their anatomical features are variable depending on their mate, therefore from a sexual perspective they are both /and neither/ male and female.
Yet their gender is clearly, by human definitions, female. Feminine pronouns and language are used in every reference to their entire species. She, Her, hers, goddess, matriarch, mother, etc.
Their bodies are shaped in a way that humans perceive as female. Large breasts, wide hips, curves, etc etc.
These are human female features.

Now. And here's the kicker. Sexuality.
The Asari are omnisexual. They can physically breed with virtually every species in the game. They can not, by any human definition of sexuality, be straight or gay or even bi because their attractions and abilities go far beyond the limitations of two sets of sexual organs.
*However*.
For a human to be attracted to an Asari they must be attracted to females. As covered, Asari physically share all the identifying features of human females.

So Liara's sexuality is irrelivant. fShep romancing her *is* a lesbian relationship because f.Shep *must* be attracted to the female form in order to be attracted to any Asari.

oi.

Edit: Ach i don't know what's up with my posts. Something in my devil-machine computer is causing every line drop to double. Sorry.

Quite a large portion of Human sexuality is based on phermones.   Not entirely, but a significant amount.    Gays are attracted to the male phermone, lesbians to the female, straight people to their opposite sexes.    Since Asari are omni-sexual, (and alien ), the phermone they give off could stimulate every and any sexuality.    They could attract gays, and straight women.    Of course, human sexuality isn't ENTIRELY based on phermones.    But the biochemical triggers of Asari could defintely make her attractive to a otherwise straight female.    On the spectrum of sexuality, she may be a 3, still undeniably straight, and unlikely to seriously consider a lesbian relationship, (bicurious? ), but she could be legitimately attracted to asari (and not to human females) because of a phermonal difference.  

Phermones trigger orientation, not the other way around.    People who develop as gay become naturally more attracted to the male phermone, which translates into a homosexual orientation.     Therfor, if Asari phermones are designed to illcit a sexual response from any species, being around asari could literally change your sexuality.   Girls could become "lesbians" and "gay men" can become straight, but only attracted towards asari.      

Whether its "lesbian" is really debatable, once you factor in the fact that Asari are intended to reproduce in this fashion, and the biochemical triggers in their phermones can a illicit a sexual reaction that otherwise would not be produced by  that invididual female.    

Of course, girls who rate 1's or men who rate 7's on a sexual spectrum would still probably be unlikely to be romantically (not sexually, you can **** anything) involved with a Asari.   

Also, try to stay on topic.   Its in your best interests.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 04 février 2010 - 12:14 .

[7th_Phoenix]

JamesT91 wrote...

NO!!!!! how could a gay be a tough,killer,hero? he couldnt hed be too worried about his nails and ****- dont ruin a great character

Hm...? Being gay doesn't make someone less of a "tough person." Being gay... or homosexual or what not... just means that one is sexually attracted to the same sex. It doesn't have to do with gender confusion if that's what you're insinuating. Besides, if they had male homosexual romances in Dragon Age, why not in Mass Effect? Let's also not forget... romance is optional so this wouldn't necessarily ruin a character.

Modifié par 7th_Phoenix, 04 février 2010 - 12:16 .

[Lightice_av]

Whether its "lesbian" is really debatable, once you factor in the fact that Asari are intended to reproduce in this fashion, and the biochemical triggers in their phermones can a illicit a sexual reaction that otherwise would not be produced by a "normal" female.

The influence of the pheromones is exaggerated. It most definately exists, and being subconscious cue it's difficult to analyze, but if a person has good pheromones, but is otherwise sexually completely unattractive to the individual in question - for example by being the same gender, when the individual in question is straight - then they won't work.This has been tested experimentally, both by scientists and by college students starved for sex; just dousing yourself with strong pheromones won't automatically attract the opposite (or the same) sex to you. There's plenty of other cues you have to fulfill.

Hm...? Being gay doesn't make someone less of a "tough person."

 

There's no point in answering to those posts - intelligent replies do nothing to their posters' sensibilities. Thankfully they have been banned for harrasment and deliberate provocation. Just pretend that they don't exist, and you'll spend your time more wisely.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 04 février 2010 - 12:20 .

[La Sangreal]

jselene wrote...

La Sangreal wrote...

I think I might make new saves for ME1 so people can play the maleshep and femshep same-sex romances in their entirety. Right now I've only made saves available that were right before Ilos. Hrmmm...

That would be much appreciated!  But question: is the rest of the dialogue voiced?  Because that would be awesome.  (Gah, you're making me wish I had bought ME for pc. )

I'm pretty sure most of the dialog is voiced. I'll test it tonight to see if everything works out. Also, I'll look into the Thane romance as a male Shepard to see if any other dialog was recorded.