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[Liana Shepard]

Agreed, it would also be nice if there was a poly option (I imagine in some cultures it would be accepted - like among Salarians) - and perhaps only for Shepard through using high persuasion.

[marshalleck]

I have no real vested interest in this subject, but I certainly support more options for gamers. I would not object to gay romances in the series, and I don't really count asari as such.

[BrianWilly]

Liana Shepard wrote...

I'd like to see gay/bi romance options available for both maleshep and femshep.

However, given the backlash against Bioware providing as much sexual imagery as it did in ME 1, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they touched gay/bi romance with a ten-foot pole.

I actually don't understand why people would arrive at this conclusion.  There is far more sexual content in ME2 than there is in ME1.

I mean, have you guys seen the Miranda or Jacob scenes yet?  "Woof" doesn't even begin to cover it!

Sexual or controversial content, in and of themselves, were never issues for the ME team.  It was very specifically the gay content that they specifically scrutinized and specifically excluded.

[jselene]

With any luck, the lack of a media backlash to DA:O will embolden the ME team to allow m/m and f/f in ME3. Poly would be fine, though I don't imagine it will happen--the only time it did was Jade Empire, and even then the epilogue only gave you Silk Fox, I believe. :/

[Dopekoke]

God damn fanny bandits



Just kidding, we all a little gay sometimes

[Liana Shepard]

BrianWilly wrote...

Liana Shepard wrote...

I'd like to see gay/bi romance options available for both maleshep and femshep.

However, given the backlash against Bioware providing as much sexual imagery as it did in ME 1, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they touched gay/bi romance with a ten-foot pole.

I actually don't understand why people would arrive at this conclusion.  There is far more sexual content in ME2 than there is in ME1.

I mean, have you guys seen the Miranda or Jacob scenes yet?  "Woof" doesn't even begin to cover it!

Sexual or controversial content, in and of themselves, were never issues for the ME team.  It was very specifically the gay content that they specifically scrutinized and specifically excluded.

No, not yet.  But in general, if there is concern about sexual content, then there will be more concern about controversial issues like gay/bi and poly relationships.

[Ninja Mage]

To be honest, I did like Tali alot. She seemed more my type than the other girls. But I still want a m/m romance

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 04 février 2010 - 09:23 .

[1Parmenides]

Bioware dropped the ball on this one, they should have had necro and monkey animal relationships too.

[FataliTensei]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

I just wish they had left Kaiden x M!Shep in from the beginning. :"(

All that wonderful NARM and its not even canon. T_T

Why?!?

I really hope that Kaiden doesn't glitch out in ME3 if you activated the romance.

Me too, i loved Kaidan, he was so calm and collected, and cute XD

[Ninja Mage]

1Parmenides wrote...

Bioware dropped the ball on this one, they should have had necro and monkey animal relationships too.

Edit: Deleted. Nevermind. Not even gone start that stuff again

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 04 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Jimmy Fury]

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Liana Shepard wrote...
However,
given the backlash against Bioware providing as much sexual imagery as
it did in ME 1, I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they touched gay/bi
romance with a ten-foot pole.

This gets brought up a lot of a reason/defense/rationalization for the lack of same sex content but the problem i have with that is that the content of the game was never an issue.
The entire controversy was BS. Nobody cared that there was a steamy scene. The entire mess centered around Kevin McCullough, Martha MacCallum, and Cooper Lawerence's entirely fabricated statements about the depiction of graphic X-rated sex. They had no knowledge of the game at all, had never played it, had never seen the scene in question. Yet they claimed to know, for a fact, that it was X-rated. This was the entire controversy; The presence of x-rated materials in a video game. It was also later demonstrated that they were utterly wrong and their statements had been irratonal exagerations.

It was never actually about the real content of Mass Effect.
Frankly, if anything, the whole hullabaloo worked in BioWare's favor. It drew ten times more attention to the game than their own advertising, it got people (pervy people mind you but perv money is just as good) to buy the game to try to see the scene in question, and BioWare were the good guys!
They were the Anti-Rockstar. They were the innocent little gaming company that was being attacked for no reason.

[JackDresden]

I couldn't care either way if they put a gay romance option in, after all it's up to the player if they want to play the character that way or not. As a heterosexual male playing as a gay Shepard probably wouldn't have much appeal for me, but in the same way I can imagine a gay man might prefer to play the character that way and it's no skin of my nose for them to have the chance.



However from an artistic point of view I don't think Bioware should feel obliged to put a gay romance option in every game, that really should be the writers choice. They did it in Dragon Age a game I very much employed, I haven't pursued a gay romance in that because it had little appeal to me but other players have enjoyed it I'm sure.



Lastly it's almost inevitable that this topic will attracted a lot of immature homophobic ranting, a lot of Mass Effect players are probably fairly young guys, some of whom are bound to feel like they have to prove something about their own sexuality.



So to answer the OPs point, I see no reason they shouldn't include such an option in ME 3 other than that the writers don't feel they could do justice to a gay romance or simply don't want to I believe in creative freedom.



As to lesbian options well they do tend to appeal to a young male demographic...I played that line once in the original ME myself :-) so I imagine that's a commercial decision.

[Ashton808]

Fox News said No.

[Eternal Dust]

JackDresden wrote...

As to lesbian options well they do tend to appeal to a young male demographic...I played that line once in the original ME myself :-) so I imagine that's a commercial decision.

Which is what I don't get. The game is rated M for mature after all.

[Lightice_av]

Which is what I don't get. The game is rated M for mature after all.

"Young" doesn't end at the age 18, sadly enough. But yes, the existence of the F/F option is very likely to be due to the primarily male demographic, although the female fans are quite well cartered for as well in ME2. The developers are taking their sweet time in following up that final demography, but I have confidence that supply will match the demand - the demand just needs to be wide and visible enough.

However from an artistic point of view I don't think Bioware should feel obliged to put a gay romance option in every game, that really should be the writers choice.

Well, a wide variety and fully customizable character should allow for all options. When a company sets a high standard, it's not unreasonable to expect them to keep it up in their further works. If they do a game with a more monolithic hero with more linear character development some day, then it's not an issue if their sexuality isn't in the player's hands, but a character like Commander Shepard does deserve the option along with all the others.



Though I just came up with another potential explanation to the option's absence from the games. the voice actor of male Shepard may fear of becoming stigmatized. Male actors who play gay characters always end up being questioned if they "liked" the role - in other words, if their private life reflects it - and if they play their cards wrong they may end up typecasted for the rest of their careers, not to mention possible personal problems. I hope that's not the case though, and that the issue doesn't touch video game voice actors.

[Arik7]

Lightice_av wrote...
Though I just came up with another potential explanation to the option's absence from the games. the voice actor of male Shepard may fear of becoming stigmatized. Male actors who play gay characters always end up being questioned if they "liked" the role - in other words, if their private life reflects it - and if they play their cards wrong they may end up typecasted for the rest of their careers, not to mention possible personal problems. I hope that's not the case though, and that the issue doesn't touch video game voice actors.

Mark Meer did record M/M romance dialog for ME1 (with Kaidan).  The audio files are on the disk, but are not used in game.  However, the files can be accessed if you alter gender in a save file.  www.youtube.com/watch

I suspect the ME team was trying to avoid controversy after the FOX nonsense.  In my opinon, all of the romance scenes are underwhelming in ME2.   The ME team should learn from the DAO team and do what is right and fair to the fans. 

[La Sangreal]

Just finished my femshep playthrough. No dialog appears to be missing, and calling femshep "sir" doesn't feel out of place. I'll get some saves uploaded soon.

[Endurance_117]

Arik7 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...
Though I just came up with another potential explanation to the option's absence from the games. the voice actor of male Shepard may fear of becoming stigmatized. Male actors who play gay characters always end up being questioned if they "liked" the role - in other words, if their private life reflects it - and if they play their cards wrong they may end up typecasted for the rest of their careers, not to mention possible personal problems. I hope that's not the case though, and that the issue doesn't touch video game voice actors.

Mark Meer did record M/M romance dialog for ME1 (with Kaidan).  The audio files are on the disk, but are not used in game.  However, the files can be accessed if you alter gender in a save file.  www.youtube.com/watch

I suspect the ME team was trying to avoid controversy after the FOX nonsense.  In my opinon, all of the romance scenes are underwhelming in ME2.   The ME team should learn from the DAO team and do what is right and fair to the fans. 

I know you just didn't say DAO's romance scenes were good 

[Akrim_Drak]

La Sangreal wrote...

Just finished my femshep playthrough. No dialog appears to be missing, and calling femshep "sir" doesn't feel out of place. I'll get some saves uploaded soon.

Yesssss! You are my hero!

[Lightice_av]

Mark Meer did record M/M romance dialog for ME1 (with Kaidan). The audio files are on the disk, but are not used in game.

I know, but the point is that they never were published. It could have been a change of heart. My favourite theory still is that having all the romance options bisexual was just too much for the marketing at the time, but other options are possible as well.

I suspect the ME team was trying to avoid controversy after the FOX nonsense.

I still find it unlikely. Bioware came ahead from the Fox scandal. Their sales increased greatly with the free publicity as people came to see what the fuss was about or wanted to see alien porn (and probably came out dissapointed). Ofcourse they may have feared of appearing sensationalist, trying to deliberately invoke controversy for the sake of boosted sales, but that's a different kind of issue. It doesn't seem likely either, after Dragon Age came and went without a hint of controversy.

[jeffindenver]

I agree with OP. Gay romance adds much for a number of players and takes nothing from anyone else. The claim that there was a lack of time doesn't hold water given inclusion of inter-species romance.