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octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


Zevran disapproves -40


And that's a bold faced lie. :lol: You only get that if you try to deliberately be offensive in every single convo with him. choosing the "No but no thanks." only nets you a -7.

Get over it. Most people aren't cool with rejection. Heck everytime I reject Morrigan I get a -12 through -18 depending on how rude I am. >_<

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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


Zevran disapproves -40


And that's a bold faced lie. :lol: You only get that if you try to deliberately be offensive in every single convo with him. choosing the "No but no thanks." only nets you a -7.

Get over it. Most people aren't cool with rejection. Heck everytime I reject Morrigan I get a -12 through -18 depending on how rude I am. >_<



That's because Morrigan is a ****, Zevran is not

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Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


Zevran disapproves -40


And that's a bold faced lie. :lol: You only get that if you try to deliberately be offensive in every single convo with him. choosing the "No but no thanks." only nets you a -7.

Get over it. Most people aren't cool with rejection. Heck everytime I reject Morrigan I get a -12 through -18 depending on how rude I am. >_<



That's because Morrigan is a ****, Zevran is not


Nah even nice guy Alistair nets me a -12 if I'm too rude about it. Though I don't think I've ever got anything high for rejecting Leliana. (Though usually speaking she's the one who doesn't get the message. <_< ) That probably explains it.

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Romance dialogue paths should be in pink font. Someone brought it up once and I totally support the idea. It won't be much clearer than that. And if people are still complaining that they're being forced into a romance path with that implemented...then I have lost all hope in humanity.


Well... other than those of us who are partially or fully color-blind. :D  But we don't get love from video games anyways. :)

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There is no reason to deny gay content in this game. In a universe that's so accepting of love and sexuality, why limit it to heterosexuals? You even had Kelly state quite clearly the only thing that matters is character. Sex and gender are unimportant.



I firmly believe Bioware should attempt it. They are good at pushing barriers and doing the impossible. I say love for all.

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Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


Zevran disapproves -40


And that's a bold faced lie. :lol: You only get that if you try to deliberately be offensive in every single convo with him. choosing the "No but no thanks." only nets you a -7.

Get over it. Most people aren't cool with rejection. Heck everytime I reject Morrigan I get a -12 through -18 depending on how rude I am. >_<



That's because Morrigan is a ****, Zevran is not

You can make Zevran your ***** too if you want.

Honestly, you will get negative approval from nearly all of them if you reject them. But it's not like you can't make up for it with gifts. Learn to roleplay.

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octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


hmmm i dunno. Zevran seemed to do a lot of communicating with his tongue.

Wait... not the same. nvm.

Gotta agree that color coding would work. Or cursive. Or italics. or with a big fat [ROMANCE] convo option that you have to click before getting into the adctual dialogue choices.
Maybe not pink just because some people have crappy graphics/tv/monitors and it might be mistaken for renegade options? As hilarious as that would be...
Maybe green. As in "Greenlight for my pants"

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octoberfire wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


Zevran disapproves -40


And that's a bold faced lie. :lol: You only get that if you try to deliberately be offensive in every single convo with him. choosing the "No but no thanks." only nets you a -7.

Get over it. Most people aren't cool with rejection. Heck everytime I reject Morrigan I get a -12 through -18 depending on how rude I am. >_<



That's because Morrigan is a ****, Zevran is not

You can make Zevran your ***** too if you want.

Honestly, you will get negative approval from nearly all of them if you reject them. But it's not like you can't make up for it with gifts. Learn to roleplay.


Learn to roleplay, lol good one. Considering I'm probably a better gamer and rpg gamer than you are.

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ABCoLD wrote...

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Romance dialogue paths should be in pink font. Someone brought it up once and I totally support the idea. It won't be much clearer than that. And if people are still complaining that they're being forced into a romance path with that implemented...then I have lost all hope in humanity.


Well... other than those of us who are partially or fully color-blind. :D  But we don't get love from video games anyways. :)

Pink font in semi-cursive. If anyone's played VtM: Bloodlines, you can understand where I'm coming from :P

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octoberfire wrote...

Yeah I don't understand the Zevran thing either. Basically, on your second conversation with you he's already, "Hey so I like guys. You cool with that?" And you can say "Yes, but..." or "No, but..." or "Hey, me too!" Honestly, this ain't Shakespeare. He's not communicating in tongues or anything. It's plain as day.


hmmm i dunno. Zevran seemed to do a lot of communicating with his tongue.

Wait... not the same. nvm.

Gotta agree that color coding would work. Or cursive. Or italics. or with a big fat [ROMANCE] convo option that you have to click before getting into the adctual dialogue choices.
Maybe not pink just because some people have crappy graphics/tv/monitors and it might be mistaken for renegade options? As hilarious as that would be...
Maybe green. As in "Greenlight for my pants"


You're right that does have potential for serious hilarity. :lol: "But But I thought I was going a renegade option!?! Instead I start making out with him! Why BioWare why?!?" XD

Nah I like the [Romance] that you click and then more options come up. At least that way there really is no exucuse. Not only did you navigate to the romance wheel of your own violation you picked an option from it as surely as one would [Investiage] so if you end up hitting on someone you shouldn't be surprised. :P

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As a gay person who has been reading this thread, I think it has all gone too far. And I do not feel a gay relationship needs to be implemented or would be for the good of the game in ME3. Here is some of my thoughts on the issue.

- You are not Shepard. Shepard has straight relationships which I do not. However Shepard also shoots aliens with sniper rifles. I do not do this either. Its a fantasy and Shepard is a character. He is not "you". It is not that kind of RPG.

- The rumored reason for keeping Ashley, Liara and Kaiden out of ME2 in a playable aspect is so that Shepard will be involved in a love triangle come ME3. I think this would be interesting and I would like to see how it plays out.

- If I had an option to date Kaiden in ME1 then certainly I would expect it to continue (much like I expect DAO's relationships to continue. However that option was not there. Now my Shepard is and has been straight for 2 games. I would like to see his existing character developed rather than throwing in a gay option just to please people.

- The gay community as a whole is embarrassing at times. This thread is supposed to be discussion about homosexuality in ME yet every time someone (usually straight) has opposed it they have been shot down as being bigoted or small minded. If we wish to be treated equally then we have to act as though we are equal. Playing the victim does not help anyone.

Noted from this thread that when a gay person has been discriminated against then the person who did it was banned, and the thread is kept up. Yet also noticed that many of the worst culprits in this thread are gay people with the "us against them" attitude, and they are let off of such punishments. Petition threads on other subject matters are taken down. I am truly for equality, and that means that we shouldn't be treat any different because we are gay, and that not everything requires a gay scene in the way not everything requires a straight scene. I feel certain people are not helping our cause, and the length of this thread is by no means a representation of how many people want this feature. A lot of it seems to be young confused children who havent yet indulged in any relationship bashing anyone who they feel is not as open minded as them.

Personally, I see no need for it. Shepard has got him/herself involved in 2 relationships and I hope there isn't the option for a third, instead having him/her settle with their true love. Just my two cents.

Modifié par Thatanosos, 06 février 2010 - 01:01 .


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Learn to roleplay, lol good one. Considering I'm probably a better gamer and rpg gamer than you are.

Considering that your opinion is hardly a good measure of anything, I really don't give a crap.  And your hangup on Zevran's flirting proves otherwise...

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Bi guy here.

Shepard isn't gay.  That's all that needs to be said.  Like the guy above me, my Shepard's been straight for two games running now and ain't about to run off to be gay as he has no incentive to.

It's not an unfair situation for Shepard to be straight.  It's just his character.  You're playing Commander Shepard, not yourself.

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octoberfire wrote...

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Learn to roleplay, lol good one. Considering I'm probably a better gamer and rpg gamer than you are.

Considering that your opinion is hardly a good measure of anything, I really don't give a crap.  And your hangup on Zevran's flirting proves otherwise...


I hung up and killed his dumb ass

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As a gay person who has been reading this thread, I think it has all gone too far. And I do not feel a gay relationship needs to be implemented or would be for the good of the game in ME3. Here is some of my thoughts on the issue.

- You are not Shepard. Shepard has straight relationships which I do not. However Shepard also shoots aliens with sniper rifles. I do not do this either. Its a fantasy and Shepard is a character. He is not "you". It is not that kind of RPG.
- The rumored reason for keeping Ashley, Liara and Kaiden out of ME2 in a playable aspect is so that Shepard will be involved in a love triangle come ME3. I think this would be interesting and I would like to see how it plays out.
- If I had an option to date Kaiden in ME1 then certainly I would expect it to continue (much like I expect DAO's relationships to continue. However that option was not there. Now my Shepard is and has been straight for 2 games. I would like to see his existing character developed rather than throwing in a gay option just to please people.
- The gay community as a whole is embarrassing at times. This thread is supposed to be discussion about homosexuality in ME yet every time someone (usually straight) has opposed it they have been shot down as being bigoted or small minded. If we wish to be treated equally then we have to act as though we are equal. Playing the victim does not help anyone.

Noted from this thread that when a gay person has been discriminated against then the person who did it was banned, and the thread is kept up. Yet also noticed that many of the worst culprits in this thread are gay people with the "us against them" attitude, and they are let off of such punishments. Petition threads on other subject matters are taken down. I am truly for equality, and that means that we shouldn't be treat any different because we are gay, and that not everything requires a gay scene in the way not everything requires a straight scene. I feel certain people are not helping our cause, and the length of this thread is by no means a representation of how many people want this feature. A lot of it seems to be young confused children who havent yet indulged in any relationship bashing anyone who they feel is not as open minded as them.

Personally, I see no need for it. Shepard has got him/herself involved in 2 relationships and I hope there isn't the option for a third, instead having him/her settle with their true love. Just my two cents.


Why does everyone seem not to realize all relationships are OPTIONAL. Your Shep doesn't have to get romantically linked with anyone. His or her sexuality isn't definite, neither is gender, or personality. All of that is left up to the player. The only definites are Shep being a spectre saving the citadel and the main events that you can not change during the second game (trying to avoid teh spoilerz!). Though yes you are correct I am one of those people being offensive and I apologize. I'll refrain from doing such in the future.

And if any RPG involved the PC being only able to do what the player character could do it would be a really, really, really boring RPG and wouldn't sell worth crap. In that case DA doesn't fit and neither do any RPGs that I can think of swords, magic? Pfft. Real people can't do that.

And is this really any different from a request thread? I mean Talimance threads and Garrusmance threads are usually left alone. I always through petitions simply consisted of a bunch of people posting "signed." about a certain topic. So the nudity thread could be seen as a petition as well? 

Also once again. Shep doesn't have to romance anyone and "settling down?" my Shep? :? No way. He's a traveling hero destined to go whereever he is needed because he's a boyscout who can't let injustice slide. But that's MY Shepard. YOUR Shepard wants to settle down, that's fine and I hope you get the option but that shouldn't impend on mine. I'm sorry if you felt that I was pushing my opinions onto you but the fact is default Shep is not canonical. Shep is not necessarily anything other than the established facts of the series. (Which everyone should know, you were the first human spectre, saved the citadel, killed Saren (or had him kill himself), etc.)

Default Shep on the other hand is a jerk. <_< Killing Wrex is not cool not cool at all.

Modifié par Ryuuichi009, 06 février 2010 - 01:15 .


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It's not an unfair situation for Shepard to be straight. It's just his character. You're playing Commander Shepard, not yourself.




Commander Shepard is a customizable character. He or she is not just one person. There are countless of version of him/her in the computers and minds of different people. Your opinion is duly noted and disagreed with.

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My comments were not directed at you or anyone in particular Ryuuichi009 and I apologise for any offense caused.

In regards to the settling down, I believe it is quite a growing rumor that romance will work slightly differently in ME3, and the focus will be more upon an existing love triangle, which does make a lot of sense for character development, although it would not be to everyones liking. However we are in the rumor mill stage at the moment and I doubt very much that Bioware have decided upon anything. Although I personally would like to see there to be some form of "final" choice between Kaiden/Liara/Ashley and Miranda/Tali/Thane etc.

While I agree Shepard is a customisable character, he is only so to a degree which currently has him as being straight.  You can customise Shepard to be male or female, to wear black or white, to shoot or use biotics.  You can not customise him to have gay relationships or to duel wield lightsabers.

Just my personal opinion though.

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Meh its fine. I'm just sick of hearing the whole "Shepard is straight". Especially when F!Shep can have a romance going on with Liara and Shep can have no relationship whatsoever other than friendship with the crewmembers if the player chooses too.


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Lightice_av wrote...

Commander Shepard is a customizable character. He or she is not just one person. There are countless of version of him/her in the computers and minds of different people. Your opinion is duly noted and disagreed with.


Yes, but they all have the same voice, same range of emotions, same reactions to scenarios.  Your main choice is how you skew Shepard's reactions to things.  Is he neutral, fair and balanced?  Is he a Space Paladin, or does he go around like Sledgehammer, shooting first and asking questions to the widow later?

Shepard's actual character is decided long before.  You are more than able to switch smoothly between paragon and renegade choices without a hitch, because of how the devs decided Shepard will react to things.  I've done so - my Shepard finished max paragon but up to about 20% renegade too.  It felt natural to do the harsh thing every once in a while.

He's not customisable in the Baldurs Gate sense.  You don't decide who he is, but you do decide how he goes about things.  I just don't see a gay man in Shepard.  I really don't, and I'm one of the few who finds his model immensely attractive.

Especially when F!Shep can have a romance going on with Liara


To be fair, you see asari with everything that moves in Mass Effect 2.  Krogan, turians, hell, probably even a hanar.  There's even a krogan/asari offspring.

The girl on girl thing was a blatent attempt to attract fanboys, but you can't say that they haven't treated the female Shepards well this time.  I happen to quite like Jacob, but both Garrus and Thane are very interesting, deep characters.

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Thatanosos wrote...

My comments were not directed at you or anyone in particular Ryuuichi009 and I apologise for any offense caused.

In regards to the settling down, I believe it is quite a growing rumor that romance will work slightly differently in ME3, and the focus will be more upon an existing love triangle, which does make a lot of sense for character development, although it would not be to everyones liking. However we are in the rumor mill stage at the moment and I doubt very much that Bioware have decided upon anything. Although I personally would like to see there to be some form of "final" choice between Kaiden/Liara/Ashley and Miranda/Tali/Thane etc.

While I agree Shepard is a customisable character, he is only so to a degree which currently has him as being straight.

Just my personal opinion though.


It would be interesting if they added something same-sex(at least for males since well Liara is still there for the ladies) that you could only start if you were single for the first two games. Of course I don't know how that would work if you have no saves to import. I dunno.

I never really felt my Shepard was forced to be straight. He just had to let a lot of ladies down.  <_< I have played through some of the relationships with other saves but my main Shepard is still single.

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You can not customise him to have gay relationships or to duel wield lightsabers.





Why do you think the request thread is here? To widen the potential possibilities. To increase customizability.



And they will add new options to ME3 for certain; there has to be something for those who didn't play or choose anything in the first two games, after all.

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The problem is that there is an element of harping on about it. The voice files suggest that there was a same sex relationship planned for Tali, but it was dropped. Having seen Tali's final romance scene myself, I understand why.

She simply isn't gay.

I think you're all taking this far too seriously.  I can understand why people are a bit vitriolic in defense of this too - if someone suggested to me that Bond should be gay for a film I'd probably hit him.  It's just not in character, and it isn't in character for Shepard either.

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But, NOT having a straight relationship doesn't mean you're straight.

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TheGuv wrote...

The girl on girl thing was a blatent attempt to attract fanboys, but you can't say that they haven't treated the female Shepards well this time.  I happen to quite like Jacob, but both Garrus and Thane are very interesting, deep characters.

Uh...they haven't treated female Shepards well this time. Lizards and raptors are an acquired taste IMO and Jacob was flat out boring. I find the Garrus romance completely ridiculous as there was no indication of its manifestation in ME1. Clearly, it was catered to a certain vocal group. Hopefully, we can achieve the same.

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The problem is that there is an element of harping on about it. The voice files suggest that there was a same sex relationship planned for Tali, but it was dropped. Having seen Tali's final romance scene myself, I understand why.

She simply isn't gay.


I don't know if you're trolling.   But what does that have to do with anything?  How do her actions imply she's simply not gay?