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[Akrim_Drak]

TheGuv wrote...

The problem is that there is an element of harping on about it. The voice files suggest that there was a same sex relationship planned for Tali, but it was dropped. Having seen Tali's final romance scene myself, I understand why.

She simply isn't gay.

I think you're all taking this far too seriously.  I can understand why people are a bit vitriolic in defense of this too - if someone suggested to me that Bond should be gay for a film I'd probably hit him.  It's just not in character, and it isn't in character for Shepard either.

That's the thing though. James Bond is set in stone. He is who he is. Shepard has a lot of leway. His/her sexuality is NEVER brought up unless you initiate one of the romances. I think it's the common stereotypes in the real world that keep people from thinking he(femshep is easily recognizable as a lesbian however, yay double standards) can't be gay. Now with ME2 for example, I didn't buy that any of the male romance options(Jacob, Thane, Garrus) would really work as the same-sex option because their stories are pretty clearly written as to why they like the opposite sex. Apparently they thought otherwise however.(at least with Thane)

Shepard himself is a blank slate. He could go either way...

I dunno, maybe I'm just grasping at straws?

[Jimmy Fury]

Thatanosos wrote...
While I agree Shepard is a customisable character, he is only so to a degree which currently has him as being straight.  You can customise Shepard to be male or female, to wear black or white, to shoot or use biotics.  You can not customise him to have gay relationships or to duel wield lightsabers.
Just my personal opinion though.

F.Shep in ME1 could be played as a lesbian. There is a semi-almost-bisexual female character in ME2. This is the main reason most of us desire a m/m relationship. If f.Shep doesn't have to be straight, why does m.shep?

Shepard's sexuality is not the point. Shepard has no sexuality because Shepard's character is designed by the player. Again- Renegae, Paragon, Spacer, Earther, Soldier, Biotic. These are character customizations not appearance choices. They completely alter the core of the character and influence the entire game.

I understand your point. Some of us do worry that introducing a gay relationship could feel forced.
That's why we're here to talk about it.

[Eternal Dust]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

TheGuv wrote...

The girl on girl thing was a blatent attempt to attract fanboys, but you can't say that they haven't treated the female Shepards well this time.  I happen to quite like Jacob, but both Garrus and Thane are very interesting, deep characters.

Uh...they haven't treated female Shepards well this time. Lizards and raptors are an acquired taste IMO and Jacob was flat out boring. I find the Garrus romance completely ridiculous as there was no indication of its manifestation in ME1. Clearly, it was catered to a certain vocal group. Hopefully, we can achieve the same.

They could have made Jacob more intersting by having him periodically interrupt Shep while he was interrupting and go. "Yo Shep, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish but Garrus is the most badass of all time! OF ALL TIME!" And give you a renegade option of punching him in the face.

Honestly I would have died laughing.

Aw. Thane was actually good. Though Jacob was a snooze fest. *snores* If you're more boring than Kaiden something is seriously wrong. 

Garrus was awesome even if he gave me BFF vibes more than romantic ones.

Is it soo much to ask for a bro hug? Really? 

It seemed like FemShep's LIs were much better suited to be her buddies than anything. Garrus is the prime example and the reason why I thought him being romanceable was ridiculous. Thane was super awesome but also just not romance material IMO. Plus, he's got wife and son issues....AGAIN. Oh hey, Carth!

[TheGuv]

I'm not trolling, and you shouldn't assume that because someone disagrees that they are trolling.

Shepard isn't as malleable a character as you think.  He essentially has three sets of responses to a situation - by comparison my DA:O character has between 4 and 6, covering everything from "you know, here's 10 gold to feel better" to "I'm bored of you *SHANK*".  In other words, everything from a walking piggy bank to sociopathic.  I can be a walking mass murderer in Dragon Age, consort with demons through sexual rites and do virtually anything I want to anyone I feel like interacting with.

I'll take an example:

There's a man in the first village in DA:O you come across who is shouting doom.  Depending on how your character is specced, there are about four or five different outcomes to the conversation, across multiple screens, and about fifteen different conversational branches ranging through compassion to mockery, to insults, to threats.  This is true for a number of different encounters in the game.  There are options in DA:O I didn't even know existed.

If Shepard had that conversation, the paragon one would probably try and talk him down.  The renegade one would try and shut him up.  The neutral one would shake his head slowly.  However it's unlikely either would shoot him.  He might lamp him, but even a renegade Shepard has a certain set of morals.  Shooting a complete innocent in cold blood is not in character for him.  It could be for a DA:O character, but Shepard is a hero, regardless of how he goes about it.

Shepard is a much more limited character, and neither the paragon or renegade Shepard strike me as a gay guy.  The female Shepard is obviously a little different as others have pointed out, but what about her companions?  Subject Zero reminds me of one or two of the girls I've been with myself - unfeasably damaged goods who craves love and affection but likes rough and tumble.  Miranda is so straight you could use her as a ruler.  Tali is the only one that could feasibly get away with being called gay, but it just doesn't strike me as in character for her.

Maybe you lot see it differently, but it would feel a very uncomfortable character shift if suddenly romance options opened for Kaiden in ME3.

[Eternal Dust]

I dunno. Garrus looked particularly worse this time around with the giant bandage on his face and the broken armor that he never changes out of.

[sw33ts]

This is why I said I don't know if you're trolling. I didn't say "PERSON U BE TROLLIN GTFO."

I don't see how your actions such as choosing to shake your head at someone, punch someone or talk them down makes out what your sexuality should be.

I've met some sissy straight guys and I've met some hardass (really no pun intended) gay guys.  Your shepard is still your Shepard, whether you're limited or not.  Sure sometimes some of choices were some things I'd never do, but hey I doubt I'll be in space fighting Geth anytime soon, but if I were I'd still choose the action that's closest to my action.

Modifié par sw33ts, 06 février 2010 - 01:56 .

[Orogenic]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

That's not being insecure

If you feel threatened by the very idea that somebody of the same sex would hit on you, even in a video game, you have to be pretty damn insecure. A stable person would just brush them aside with "not interested, don't swing that way".

I have first hand experience with a gay guy hitting on me and I told him to stfu and gtfo. That's not being insecure. lol A "stable person" as myself that's what I did.

Most strait people would be weirded out if it came out of nowhere. See Real World for example

Why the hell would a gay guy hitting on you make you "weirded out" unless you were conflicted/ unsure about something related to your own orienation? 

I'm straight and I'm 100% certain that being hit on by a dude is not going to change that.  I personally believe we are born into whatever sexual orientation the universe bestows upon us, and all of this concern over what brings happiness and fulfillment to other people is downright silly.

This is another example of a situation where modeling of real life social situations in a videogame could be very educational for a lot of people.  It would be great if you got hit on by people of BOTH sexes in ME 3... then people could learn to act like evolved beings and say "thanks, I'm flattered, but I'm not interested" instead of acting like baboons and spacing the crewmate who has apparently "threatened to change your sexual orientation."

Go for it bioware! Do your part to stamp out ignorance, fear, and hate.

[Akrim_Drak]

I hate that word "troll" gets used way too much! Anyway Guv someone earlier linked the audio files from ME1 for the proposed Kaidan/MShep relationship (not the video, but the actual audio for the entire relationship) and I found it incredibly believable so I can't say it's all too far out there to think that those two at least have something bubbling under the surface. I dunno.

[Eternal Dust]

TheGuv wrote...

I'll take an example:

There's a man in the first village in DA:O you come across who is shouting doom.  Depending on how your character is specced, there are about four or five different outcomes to the conversation, across multiple screens, and about fifteen different conversational branches ranging through compassion to mockery, to insults, to threats.  This is true for a number of different encounters in the game.  There are options in DA:O I didn't even know existed.

I remembered 3 specific options, which resulted in the same thing: him running away. You can also either end with reassuring the villagers or instilling even more fear. DAO made it seem like you had 4-6 options, but at least two or three were nearly identical.

[DaeJi]

Too many people are arguing against same sex romances by saying that it doesn't fit the characters. These characters are not constants like math, BioWare as the power to move them where they want them to go.

Modifié par DaeJi, 06 février 2010 - 02:00 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Man I'm so torn. Post here or go blither like a moron over Smallville's Absolute Justice episode (EEEEEEE)

Ok just quick while there is a commercial.

I'm finding it weird to see a bi guy state that Shepard can't be gay just due to his dialogue options... I don't understand this idea that gay people would react differently by default of being gay...



eep commercial over back in an hour.

[sos986]

i hate to point it out, but statistically if you have a 100 crew members 2 of them would be gay; there isnt 100 crew members on the normandy theres ten, when i get a choice of 100 diffrent people two of them can be gay.

[Endurance_117]

Orogenic wrote...

That's not being insecure

Why the hell would a gay guy hitting on you make you "weirded out" 

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[Eternal Dust]

sos986 wrote...

i hate to point it out, but statistically if you have a 100 crew members 2 of them would be gay; there isnt 100 crew members on the normandy theres ten, when i get a choice of 100 diffrent people two of them can be gay.

Because ME is very much based on your flawed real life statistics....

Where's an eyeroll smiley when you need one?

Modifié par octoberfire, 06 février 2010 - 02:15 .

[sw33ts]

sos986 wrote...

i hate to point it out, but statistically if you have a 100 crew members 2 of them would be gay; there isnt 100 crew members on the normandy theres ten, when i get a choice of 100 diffrent people two of them can be gay.

The statistic I normally hear is 1 in 10.  :happy:

[DaeJi]

sos986 wrote...

i hate to point it out, but statistically if you have a 100 crew members 2 of them would be gay; there isnt 100 crew members on the normandy theres ten, when i get a choice of 100 diffrent people two of them can be gay.

Statistically this is not real life, it's a game and BioWare should put it in because fans would have fun with it. Really, in video games "fun" beats every argument.

[sos986]

not from any reliable source, i mean a reliable source on this matter is hard to come by no matter what since there so much anti homosexual sentiment in the world, unfortunately. i guess you could say there are 0 percent of krogans in the world, but i dont think shoving homosexuality down everyones throat is the way to inspire change.

[Orogenic]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

That's not being insecure

Why the hell would a gay guy hitting on you make you "weirded out" 

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The same reason getting hit on by guys significantly older  than me is. Just preferences. Frankly I feel weirded out when black guys hit on me too. (I know...racist against my own race that's not good.) Though I try not to scream and throw things anymore. Unless they really keep doing it and pissing me off. <_<

Not sure what you are getting at here- there's a difference between expressing interest and harassment.

[Endurance_117]

Orogenic wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

That's not being insecure

Why the hell would a gay guy hitting on you make you "weirded out" 

....

The same reason getting hit on by guys significantly older  than me is. Just preferences. Frankly I feel weirded out when black guys hit on me too. (I know...racist against my own race that's not good.) Though I try not to scream and throw things anymore. Unless they really keep doing it and pissing me off. <_<

Not sure what you are getting at here- there's a difference between expressing interest and harassment.

So if a 70 yr old guy hit on you you wouldn't be weirded out?

Just preferences