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[Arik7]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
And I say twisted because people not only want to see sex in Mass Effect, but gay romance (thus gay sex). It's a ****ing video game people. The romance is not even 1% of the game, why bother with something that could very well not be featured at all.

There is no "sex" in ME2.   Romance and other interations with NPCs help immersion into the ME Universe.  This is not Doom, ok?

[Jimmy Fury]

Fair play Captain. At least you admit that it wouldn't alter gameplay in any way. I hope that means it wouldn't force you to abandon ME entirely as some people have suggested.

I can't see Shepard being a fruit either. I can see him being a tough-as-nails war hero who just happens to be in love with his sickly-kid-with-creaky-legs pilot, but not a fruit. Maybe that's just me and Ryu though...

I wonder though. Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
You guys are twisted. What's the problem? Who is not gay would want to watch your Shepard being gay for something else than getting a fix of his fantasies? This is a video game people, Bioware aren't making games for their desperate fans to drool over because they can't make out.

Yes so true. The "DatAss" thread is a scholarly examination of the merits of political parallelism as presented in science fiction media.
Be honest now... If there was no fan service Miranda would wear actual armor instead of what amounts to slightly textured body paint.

And why is it always the "No never!" crowd that ends up talking watching Shep have sex with someone... I want to *romance* Kaiden or Joker. Anything else would be strictly fade-to-black and left to my imagination.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 06 février 2010 - 05:11 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

Lightice_av wrote...

I mean, sure there are gays playing games and all and they are a minority, love in video-games never protrayed them and why should it now?

You're just the millionth person to claim this in various threads about the subject. Like everybody before you, you're 100% wrong. Dragon Age: Origins featured same-sex romance for both genders, and nearly every Bioware game after Baldur's Gates has had an F/F option.

The romance subplot is a small but intricate part of the game; it's something that makes us care about our personal Shepard more as a character. It's no coincidence that it's in the game at all, and Bioware recognises that it's one of the things that makes the game distinct from others in the genre. To not include the possibility for a significant minority in the playerbase is not good business, as these threads are aiming to show.

Not good for buisiness? You're kidding me? Ok, I was wrong, but I still think most people having a same sex romance are mostly not gay themselves. And I still think complaining about this is totally irrevelant to the game. It's not about double standards it's a choice the made whatever the reason.

[Arik7]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Modifié par Arik7, 06 février 2010 - 05:18 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Lightice_av wrote...
The romance subplot is a small but intricate part of the game; it's something that makes us care about our personal Shepard more as a character.

Too true Lightice. I didn't do any romance subplot in ME1 (since I wanted to romance kaiden and couldn't) but having heard the audio files, seen the cut scene, and seen the scene in ME2 that relates.... holy crap.
Sure it's minor stuff in terms of screen time but the added emotional depth changes a lot about whole story.

edit: sorry i'm not caffientated enough to spell properly yet lol

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 06 février 2010 - 05:16 .

[jidnis]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

jidnis wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

You guys are twisted. What's the problem? Who is not gay would want to watch your Shepard being gay for something else than getting a fix of his fantasies? This is a video game people, Bioware aren't making games for their desperate fans to drool over because they can't make out.

Who really spends time caring and worrying about what other people are doing - or not doing - within the confines of the game?

Obviously you do - which, as you would say, "twisted" in its own way

Sure, I agree, but the reason why people want this is pretty obvious. I mean, sure there are gays playing games and all and they are a minority, love in video-games never protrayed them and why should it now? The only thing that does is fullfilling fantasies because we can pretty much agree there will be far more heteros playing gays than gays themselves. The romance is such a small part of the ME games, and it's not Bioware's goal to make their romances the more exhaustive possible, but to make the best game possible. This is such a small detail of a game, that wheter or not we care about how people play this, the outcome of this is pretty obvious and I sure do think it's not Bioware's intention.

And I say twisted because people not only want to see sex in Mass Effect, but gay romance (thus gay sex). It's a ****ing video game people. The romance is not even 1% of the game, why bother with something that could very well not be featured at all.

It is a small part of the game - but romances are a part of the game that is pretty unique to Bioware.  If you look at the majority of their past games there has always been some kind of "option" (even if it was only lesbian).  

I don't think it is just about watching sex.  In real life, keep in mind that gays have to face discrimination and restricted liberties that a lot of people don't even think twice about.  The appearance of Bioware (who has an established history of having diverse romance options) supposedly removing homosexual options to try and appease the intolerant can come across as a step backwards.  Hence, you have the forums flooded with "gayshep" threads.

Personally, I am not up in arms about whether it is or isn't in there.  I think something can be artistic without catering to my specific sensibilities.  At the same time, I can understand why it does have more than just a few people worked up

[SethSteiner]

Arik7 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
And I say twisted because people not only want to see sex in Mass Effect, but gay romance (thus gay sex). It's a ****ing video game people. The romance is not even 1% of the game, why bother with something that could very well not be featured at all.

There is no "sex" in ME2.   Romance and other interations with NPCs help immersion into the ME Universe.  This is not Doom, ok?

Some people seem just to care for the shooting or the main plot -> killing collectors and that`s it. Very sad.

[Endurance_117]

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

[Arik7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

He says he has no fetish for humans.  Clearly the attraction between Garrus and Shepard is more platonic than physical, yet the devs restricted this to heterosexuals, ignoring the context.

[Kolaris8472]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

He doesn't like humans either, he likes Commander Shephard. 

[Endurance_117]

Arik7 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

He says he has no fetish for humans.  Clearly the attraction between Garrus and Shepard is more platonic than physical, yet the devs restricted this to heterosexuals, ignoring the context.

Maybe because he'd rather have female company than a males. Just because your shepard is gay doesn't mean Garrus is bi. Garrus is a character who plays a role that likes his species females. He's never thought about cross species intercourse with a woman before.

[Jimmy Fury]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

I think Arik's point was less about whether or not Garrus would like men and more a question of why Garrus would love a human period.
It's a safe assumption that with Garrus/fem.shep it's more about the bond between them than it is about sex. It's about their experience together and their shared history and all that stuff.

[Endurance_117]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

He doesn't like humans either, he likes Commander Shephard. 

Correction, he likes the Women version of Commander Shephard

[Endurance_117]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

I think Arik's point was less about whether or not Garrus would like men and more a question of why Garrus would love a human period.
It's a safe assumption that with Garrus/fem.shep it's more about the bond between them than it is about sex. It's about their experience together and their shared history and all that stuff.

That can be said about any relationship on this game

[Arik7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

He doesn't like humans either, he likes Commander Shephard. 

Correction, he likes the Women version of Commander Shephard

Yes, but it seems artificial and forced in the context.

[Endurance_117]

Arik7 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

He doesn't like humans either, he likes Commander Shephard. 

Correction, he likes the Women version of Commander Shephard

Yes, but it seems artificial and forced in the context.

Just like any relationship in this or any other Bioware game

[Lightice_av]

Just like any relationship in this or any other Bioware game

Again, something we just have to disagree with. Bioware has some of the best written romance subplots in video games ever, that at times manage to compete with other media.



Incidentally, why do you insist on quoting every single post made before you only to post a single line of text? It's wasteful and annoying.

[Arik7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
Yes, but it seems artificial and forced in the context.

Just like any relationship in this or any other Bioware game

But is that what the devs are aiming for?   What happened to immersion and "emotionally engaging" experience.

Modifié par Arik7, 06 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[PicdiCr80]

Homosexuality is frowned upon in most military organizations if the majority of their force fits in with which gender you find sexually attractive, so to have a ******-sexual soldier is quite far-fetched in that sense, although if he were to have homosexual relations with someone, I don't see the problem with it, although it would most likely be something he would have had to restrain from in his years in the Alliance, therefore it is more appropriate that he would not follow through on his thoughts, as he would have had years of restraining his sexual urges.

If there was a gay shepard, I wouldn't object as that's some people's life and sexuality choice, although the consensus seems to be against it, so I doubt it will be implemented, or if it is, it will probably be a mono-gendered species that resemble males, like with the Asari and previous LI's. So I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you, although it would be an interesting change, although even then there are two work arounds:


1. Make a very butch female and get some of the male LI's into bed while RPing it's a man.

2. Role Play you are a homosexual, so refrain from hetero' relationships and just get close to the men.

[Endurance_117]

Lightice_av wrote...

Just like any relationship in this or any other Bioware game

Again, something we just have to disagree with. Bioware has some of the best written romance subplots in video games ever, that at times manage to compete with other media.

Incidentally, why do you insist on quoting every single post made before you only to post a single line of text? It's wasteful and annoying.

That's because not many games have subplot romances. I could name games with better romances that isn't forced. 

2) Why can't I quote with a single line of text when it is simple and strait to the point. Your typing is annoying.

Modifié par Endurance_117, 06 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[Ninja Mage]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

Garrus does like men. Please don't start this **** again. Garrus is unique to each individual play experience

[Endurance_117]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

Garrus does like men. Please don't start this **** again. Garrus is unique to each individual play experience

There is no proof he does and I have proof he likes women in his own species and Female Shepard

[Ninja Mage]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

Garrus does like men. Please don't start this **** again. Garrus is unique to each individual play experience

There is no proof he does and I have proof he likes women in his own species and Female Shepard

Have you even seen a female turian?? No. Garrus flirted with my male shepard numerous times in the game,it just never went past that. I have a hunch Garrus likes Shepard, whether they be male or female. Why is Garrus being gay so awful to you?

[Endurance_117]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

Garrus does like men. Please don't start this **** again. Garrus is unique to each individual play experience

There is no proof he does and I have proof he likes women in his own species and Female Shepard

Have you even seen a female turian?? No. Garrus flirted with my male shepard numerous times in the game,it just never went past that. I have a hunch Garrus likes Shepard, whether they be male or female. Why is Garrus being gay so awful to you?

But has Garrus had sex with one?? Yes. Garrus never flirted with a male shepard, what are you spouting? Nonsense?

[Ninja Mage]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Would the same level of discomfort exist if the actual terms "gay" "lesbian" or "homosexual" were never actually used? If there was no specific mention of anyones sexuality and instead it was just a matter of the characters falling in love with Shep because of their bond with him/her?

That's how I would expect it to happen in the 22nd century, especially considering all the other non-reproductive relationships with aliens.    Why does Shepard have to be a female to romance Garrus?  They are not expecting kids, are they?  The heterosexual restriction is completely out of context there.

Maybe because Garrus doesn't like men?!

Garrus does like men. Please don't start this **** again. Garrus is unique to each individual play experience

There is no proof he does and I have proof he likes women in his own species and Female Shepard

Have you even seen a female turian?? No. Garrus flirted with my male shepard numerous times in the game,it just never went past that. I have a hunch Garrus likes Shepard, whether they be male or female. Why is Garrus being gay so awful to you?

But has Garrus had sex with one?? Yes. Garrus never flirted with a male shepard, what are you spouting? Nonsense?

Lol Be careful, your bias is showing. Garrus never had sex with anyone in my game. And whether he had sex with some invisible female turian is besides the point. Garrus is attracted to my male shepard, and it's obvious Bioware could add a male shep/Garrus romance.