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[Evil Johnny 666]

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

Evil Johnny 666-
You can't argue that a design choice in the first game limits you in the second and third game, as by that logic you couldn't have a Salarian scientist with you in the second.
You can't argue that it's 'unfair' to place same sex relationships in the third game because it would mess up existing romances, as you have a chance to royally mess them up in the second already.

Nothing in the logical rules of design forbids Bioware from including them in the third game or as an optional DLC in the second, it's just a question of if they choose to do so.

Your first argument makes no sense at all. The Salarian wasn't in ME1 period, what I'm saying, is that if there are m/m relations in ME3, that would mean gay Shepards to have way less character customization than straight ones. Same for the second, in one of my earlier post I already said that it wasn't about fairness but logic which is quite different. I'm not saying it would mess up romances, I was only saying that a gay Shep would have less possibilities, something that can't be changed as you would need to have a gay shep save for ME1.

I never said they are forbidden, only that it is very unlikely as it was probably a design choice made prior the launch of ME that was probably made for the trilogy as well as it was planned for a trilogy. Why change ideas for the last one? That just wouldn't make any sense, it's like: "We didn't allow Shepard to be gay in ME1 and ME2 but for some reason we thought he/she could turn up gay in the third". And like I said, it would limit their options and as the Mass Effect games is all about making YOUR Shepard, even if gay Sheps would only be "fair" that would still mean they would be less customizable than straight ones. And lastly, they just can't do a "Gay Shepard DLC package" that's just nuts.

O_o

Why would it be nuts?  How would your shepard suddenly be gay if all this time he's been gay not romancing anyone up until a gay male intrested came along?  It's not like if you suddenly find yourself in a gay bar you're all of a sudden gay.  Just like playing a game with no gay males it doesn't suddenly make you straight.  I don't see your point.  At all.

Even if I don't import I have NO LI to cheat on...so your point just isn't making sense to me with the whole then they would have nothing to the 3rd game.

Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

[Jimmy Fury]

Out of curiosity (directed mostly at Johnny if he's still lurking) what about the introduction of a new race that balances out the Asari?
It's been mentioned before and personally I think it could be a good idea if we're talking about continuity.
If they introduced a new race that, like the Asari, are monosexual except have a masculine appearance, act male, and use all male pronouns. Would that be "fair" since, according to the embarassingly flawed "The Asari aren't really women though!" logic, this species wouldn't really be male and therefore it wouldn't really be gay.

Better question actually... If they did that, would you romance him Johnny? If "it" looked liked a man, acted like a man, spoke with a man's voice, was refered to as "him", but wasn't technically a male because his species is monosexual... would you romance him or would it seem gay?

Oh and endurance, he might not be a troll on his own thread (debatable but still). However, when he comes in here and only posts to get people's attention then he's inarguably trolling.

[Arik7]

If they introduced a male-looking version of the Asari, would Casey Hudson still say that there is no male/male romance in ME....

[Evil Johnny 666]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Out of curiosity (directed mostly at Johnny if he's still lurking) what about the introduction of a new race that balances out the Asari?
It's been mentioned before and personally I think it could be a good idea if we're talking about continuity.
If they introduced a new race that, like the Asari, are monosexual except have a masculine appearance, act male, and use all male pronouns. Would that be "fair" since, according to the embarassingly flawed "The Asari aren't really women though!" logic, this species wouldn't really be male and therefore it wouldn't really be gay.

Better question actually... If they did that, would you romance him Johnny? If "it" looked liked a man, acted like a man, spoke with a man's voice, was refered to as "him", but wasn't technically a male because his species is monosexual... would you romance him or would it seem gay?

Oh and endurance, he might not be a troll on his own thread (debatable but still). However, when he comes in here and only posts to get people's attention then he's inarguably trolling.

I wouldn't see the problem. That'd still be weird logic on Bioware's part but I guess it's ok. If such design would be made, that doesn't necesarily mean there will be real gay romance as seen on ME1.

I always thought that romancing Liara as a fem shep seemed gay, and would think the same if it had to happen. Though I wouldn't date him as I don't see why I should be interested in my character being gay as I am not myself. And I never romanced Liara with my fem shep characters either. I really don't care for steamy 10 secs scenes and it doesn't interest me all that much anyway. In fact, I think I romanced Liara only once and prefered doign so with a human character. To me it's just wrong trying to romance a species that can't really get laid and/or is not "compatible". I mean, it's like a dog with a cat...

[sw33ts]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Modifié par sw33ts, 06 février 2010 - 11:46 .

[jselene]

You know...looking at how the other thread avoids the subject so obstinately, perhaps someone should make a "male asari-analogue" thread. xD Since these are the same people crowing that FemShep/Liara wasn't f/f, they'd be hard pressed to oppose it.

[ReDSH1FT]

http://social.biowar...2646/15#1027050

[Arik7]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

http://social.biowar...2646/15#1027050

Supporters of same-sex romance, please ignore the provocations....

[jselene]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

http://social.biowar...2646/15#1027050

Why, yes.  That's the thread I'm referring to.  But you didn't link to a relevant post, you know.  Just the "ME2 proves that airlock =/= death!" one.

Bah.  Back on topic.  If you had to choose, would you prefer a director's cut with more options for all 3 MEs, or same-sex options in ME3's initial release?  I think I'd go with the former, but it would take waiting a long time. 

[Mendelevosa]

No thank you. I don't want to see Male Shepard and Garrus getting it on.

[SethSteiner]

You know, you have the choice so if you don`t want to see it, you just don`t need to choose this path. Is that so hard to understand?

[Arik7]

Mendelevosa wrote...

No thank you. I don't want to see Male Shepard and Garrus getting it on.

They don't chose the option.  Supporters are asking for the option, not mandatory content.  It's not a movie, and you are not forces to view all the possible outcomes.

[Akrim_Drak]

Love that my Mordin comment(that gives some leway to a gay Shepard) went completely ignored. Other thread is nothing but obvious anti same-sex opinion now (I don't like homophobic, that word is so overused) but whatever.



Jselene I'd go for either, but ME3 would be cool...

[sw33ts]

Mendelevosa wrote...

No thank you. I don't want to see Male Shepard and Garrus getting it on.

It'd be a learning experience.  I'd actually love to see it...through the cracks of my fingers.

[Madame November]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

SethSteiner wrote...

@Ryuuichi009
That was excactly my thought. My FemShep acts a little bit rough here and there but if it comes to persons like Tali she takes care. She is absolutly able to be that person and if she says that to the FemShep, why not? I thin it fits in a perfect way.

It also sweet. FemShep is Tali's hero everyone has a bit of a crush on their heroes. <3

I don't

Well you're the exception and not the rule.


I still want my Jokermance.

Its too late for M!Shep x Kaiden...unless its the modded version.

I would love Joker  to be romanceable as well. So far I have been extremely unhappy with my Romance options in ME2. The game pushes so hard for me to be into Jacob, but I am just not feeling it. The characters I am interested in are not options, ie Joker, Kaiden, Jack, Tali. I really like Thanes voice,  so I am probably going to go for him, but I will probably have to turn out the lights and have some drinks first.

[hycer]

Mendelevosa wrote...

No thank you. I don't want to see Male Shepard and Garrus getting it on.

You don't have to and no one is forcing you on that.  My femshep never romanced any male LIs.

[jselene]

November Cousland wrote...

I would love Joker  to be romanceable as well. So far I have been extremely unhappy with my Romance options in ME2. The game pushes so hard for me to be into Jacob, but I am just not feeling it. The characters I am interested in are not options, ie Joker, Kaiden, Jack, Tali. I really like Thanes voice,  so I am probably going to go for him, but I will probably have to turn out the lights and have some drinks first.

I love Thane, but Jokermance would be excellent.  Awkward, but excellent.   

If nothing else, Kaidan will be back in ME3!  Or at least the devs implied that he would, for the sake of drama.  xD

[Shesau]

It is most definately not too late for MShep/Kaidan.

One could possibly assert that although Kaidan's bisexualty was cut from the first game, the character is still innately bisexual. One would have to ask his writer(s) since we can't ask Alenko himself. But if he is indeed bisexual, what's keeping him and Shepard from getting together in Mass 3? The fact that he hasn't flirted with MShep before?

If we deduct there's some manner of "Dont Ask, Don't Tell" or similar unspoken rule in the Alliance, it's only natural to assume Kaidan wouldn't have dropped any smooth lines of Shepard before. You start getting fresh with somebody of the same sex who is not receptive - and a superior officer, no less - then you can end up paying for it in a big way. Maybe Alenko was just being careful. Maybe he sensed the commander wasn't interested. Either way, Shepard is no longer an Alliance marine or his superior officer, so at this point if Kaidan was interested he could approach Shepard if he wanted.

And if not, well... That is what fan fiction is for, no?

[Evil Johnny 666]

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Anyway, my point is not whether or not Shepard could be gay depending on how you thought your character was, but that a gay Shepard in ME3 would have less options in the game and you can't go around that, period. That'd be a flaw in Bioware's design of the whole trilogy, they can do it if they want, but that's still make the games less consistent as if they wanted to have a gay Shepard, why didn't they made it possible in the first place? That would be inconsistent no matter what.

[sw33ts]

O_o



But you can go through the entire game not romancing anyone.



Your stance still makes no sense.

[Arik7]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Anyway, my point is not whether or not Shepard could be gay depending on how you thought your character was, but that a gay Shepard in ME3 would have less options in the game and you can't go around that, period. That'd be a flaw in Bioware's design of the whole trilogy, they can do it if they want, but that's still make the games less consistent as if they wanted to have a gay Shepard, why didn't they made it possible in the first place? That would be inconsistent no matter what.

in DAO, straight people had possible 2 LIs and thus could experience a conlict between the 2.  Gay people had only 1 possible LI.  Was that consistent? no... but we'd prefer something rather than nothing.

Modifié par Arik7, 07 février 2010 - 12:37 .

[Endurance_117]

Arik7 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Anyway, my point is not whether or not Shepard could be gay depending on how you thought your character was, but that a gay Shepard in ME3 would have less options in the game and you can't go around that, period. That'd be a flaw in Bioware's design of the whole trilogy, they can do it if they want, but that's still make the games less consistent as if they wanted to have a gay Shepard, why didn't they made it possible in the first place? That would be inconsistent no matter what.

in DAO, straight people had possible 2 LIs and thus could experience a conlict between the 2.  Gay people had only 1 possible LI.  Was that consistent? no... but we'd prefer something rather than nothing.

Bioware does not care

[Arik7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Anyway, my point is not whether or not Shepard could be gay depending on how you thought your character was, but that a gay Shepard in ME3 would have less options in the game and you can't go around that, period. That'd be a flaw in Bioware's design of the whole trilogy, they can do it if they want, but that's still make the games less consistent as if they wanted to have a gay Shepard, why didn't they made it possible in the first place? That would be inconsistent no matter what.

in DAO, straight people had possible 2 LIs and thus could experience a conlict between the 2.  Gay people had only 1 possible LI.  Was that consistent? no... but we'd prefer something rather than nothing.

Bioware does not care

How do you know?  They've done it before and they may do so again.