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[Endurance_117]

Arik7 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Anyway, my point is not whether or not Shepard could be gay depending on how you thought your character was, but that a gay Shepard in ME3 would have less options in the game and you can't go around that, period. That'd be a flaw in Bioware's design of the whole trilogy, they can do it if they want, but that's still make the games less consistent as if they wanted to have a gay Shepard, why didn't they made it possible in the first place? That would be inconsistent no matter what.

in DAO, straight people had possible 2 LIs and thus could experience a conlict between the 2.  Gay people had only 1 possible LI.  Was that consistent? no... but we'd prefer something rather than nothing.

Bioware does not care

How do you know?  They've done it before and they may do so again.

This is a different team than DAO that's why

[Akrim_Drak]

doo do do...







Gonna upload the video, it's so angsty! (it's not the romance scene, it's prior to it.

[Evil Johnny 666]

sw33ts wrote...

O_o

But you can go through the entire game not romancing anyone.

Your stance still makes no sense.

Of course!! I mean OPTIONS! You're not obliged to get through all this, only that you'll have less options which is rather obvious.

Well DAO was one game, it's not inconsisten because there's only one LI for gays, what would be inconsistent in the ME trilogy, is that gays would have certain OPTIONS that straight could have. As an EXAMPLE, you still wouldn't be able to romance Kaiden in ME1, cheat him or not and suffer or not the consequences in ME3, something you CAN do with a straight. Of course you can go through all games dating no one, but that doesn't take any less from the fact they they'd retcon one of their design choices and give the gay choice only in their third and last installment and giving gays less options than straights. I don't see what's hard to comprehend, sure you may disagree that doesn't mean Bioware can't put some gay romance in ME3, but there's no denying there will be less options.

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 07 février 2010 - 12:48 .

[sw33ts]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

O_o

But you can go through the entire game not romancing anyone.

Your stance still makes no sense.

Of course!! I mean OPTIONS! You're not obliged to get through all this, only that you'll have less options which is rather obvious.

So because the gays would have less options just like the people who choose to play the game and not romance anyone they should get no one to romance?

This is your point.

O_o

[Arik7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...
Because you had no options at all. Well you can say your Shep is, only you can't do anything for the game to register this, it will all be in your head. And my point of cheating your LI was an EXAMPLE of an argument which was character customization being a lot less exhaustive than a straight one. And by nuts, I meant the gay DLC which will never happen. Ok, there might be gay romance in ME3, but don't expect a dlc for ME2, the only ones which there'll be would be weapons/armor and mission/planets. Hell, what you have a DLC which adds another character which can be dated by gay Shepards but you'll still won't be able to do so with the other romancable males? If they ever change their design choice it will be in ME3, not some fancy DLC that will make the game look like it's flawed or anything.

That still makes no sense.  With the gay club example I used if you're stuck in a gay club and you, obviously a straight man, have NO options for a female.  Does that mean you're gay now? If you don't act on the straight romances in the game that doesn't mean you're straight it just means the right person hasn't come along for you.  Just like if you don't act on the dancing gay men around you.  It doesn't mean you're gay.  The people you hang out with doesn't determine your sexuality.

Are you some sort of BW worker to go around telling us that don't count on it there will be no DLC?  I think your stance is really weird.

Anyway, my point is not whether or not Shepard could be gay depending on how you thought your character was, but that a gay Shepard in ME3 would have less options in the game and you can't go around that, period. That'd be a flaw in Bioware's design of the whole trilogy, they can do it if they want, but that's still make the games less consistent as if they wanted to have a gay Shepard, why didn't they made it possible in the first place? That would be inconsistent no matter what.

in DAO, straight people had possible 2 LIs and thus could experience a conlict between the 2.  Gay people had only 1 possible LI.  Was that consistent? no... but we'd prefer something rather than nothing.

Bioware does not care

How do you know?  They've done it before and they may do so again.

This is a different team than DAO that's why

Even that team fooled around with f/f interactions in both ME1 and ME2 and originally planned a MaleShep/Kaidan romance, before it was cut....  If the fans can demonstrate that there is demand for such content, they may include it.

[Arik7]

Btw, could people please stop feeding the N@zis on the other thread....

Modifié par Arik7, 07 février 2010 - 12:48 .

[SethSteiner]

The easiest would be just to report the thread for the heavy hate speeches that constantly came up.

[jselene]

SethSteiner wrote...

The easiest would be just to report the thread for the heavy hate speeches that constantly came up.

PM the mods.  Chris said it works better. 

Modifié par jselene, 07 février 2010 - 12:50 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

O_o

But you can go through the entire game not romancing anyone.

Your stance still makes no sense.

Of course!! I mean OPTIONS! You're not obliged to get through all this, only that you'll have less options which is rather obvious.

So because the gays would have less options just like the people who choose to play the game and not romance anyone they should get no one to romance?

This is your point.

O_o

Euh? Even if you do not romance, you HAD the options, if you're gay you do not even have the option to had a relationship before. i'm beginning to think you really have a hard time understanding simple concepts... I'm only saying that if Bioware would do it which would surprise me, it would be an inconsistency within the ME trilogy.

[SethSteiner]

jselene wrote...

SethSteiner wrote...

The easiest would be just to report the thread for the heavy hate speeches that constantly came up.

PM the mods.  Chris said it works better. 

I wrote him a PM now, I hope I wasn`t the only one and tomorrow this topic is closed once and for all. Really, these people disgust me.

[Akrim_Drak]

I should play a femshep too huh... So I can start taking pictures of the ladies. Sorry I'm sexist! (totally kidding, just frustrated atm)



It still baffles me that people automatically assume that having the OPTION to be in a heterosexual romance automatically makes one heterosexual. I guess I'm a bit -too- open. Same with having the option to be in a homosexual relationship. I just don't get it ._.



BTW Johnny thanks for at least being civil.

[sw33ts]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

O_o

But you can go through the entire game not romancing anyone.

Your stance still makes no sense.

Of course!! I mean OPTIONS! You're not obliged to get through all this, only that you'll have less options which is rather obvious.

So because the gays would have less options just like the people who choose to play the game and not romance anyone they should get no one to romance?

This is your point.

O_o

Euh? Even if you do not romance, you HAD the options, if you're gay you do not even have the option to had a relationship before. i'm beginning to think you really have a hard time understanding simple concepts... I'm only saying that if Bioware would do it which would surprise me, it would be an inconsistency within the ME trilogy.

Nah, you're just not really articulate.  If you really want to go there.


It wouldn't suprrise me.  I mean, we went from tali just being I LOVE THIS SHIP to being OMG I LUBBBBBBBBB U. TAKE ME.

[Endurance_117]

SethSteiner wrote...

The easiest would be just to report the thread for the heavy hate speeches that constantly came up.

You are implying that this thread doesn't have hate speeches

[Lightice_av]

I wrote him a PM now, I hope I wasn`t the only one and tomorrow this topic is closed once and for all. Really, these people disgust me.

Let the clowns have their fun. They just make themselves increasingly unsympathetic and unlikeable. They might even get a couple of people thinking "am I really on the side of this crowd?"

They're digging their own graves, there's no need to interfere.

[Evil Johnny 666]

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

O_o

But you can go through the entire game not romancing anyone.

Your stance still makes no sense.

Of course!! I mean OPTIONS! You're not obliged to get through all this, only that you'll have less options which is rather obvious.

So because the gays would have less options just like the people who choose to play the game and not romance anyone they should get no one to romance?

This is your point.

O_o

Euh? Even if you do not romance, you HAD the options, if you're gay you do not even have the option to had a relationship before. i'm beginning to think you really have a hard time understanding simple concepts... I'm only saying that if Bioware would do it which would surprise me, it would be an inconsistency within the ME trilogy.

Nah, you're just not really articulate.  If you really want to go there.


It wouldn't suprrise me.  I mean, we went from tali just being I LOVE THIS SHIP to being OMG I LUBBBBBBBBB U. TAKE ME.

Maybe, I still needed a couple of posts to properly write my point as English is not my first language. Well, the romances are a little weird in the first place sometimes. You could still imply you were interested in Ashley when speaking how beautiful women are with her and Kaiden in the Citadel. But that's because Tali is more mature now that she's done the pilgrimage... I think it's pretty much fan service.

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 07 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[SethSteiner]

This thread wasn`t started as a hate speech. Yes this thread also contains effusions of homophobes, on the other hand, this thread discusses everything in a better way, not to forget we already discuss the topic and we don`t need multiple of them.

[sw33ts]

Okay, then if they can do a fanservice for tali and garrus. Then why not a fanservice for the gays?

[Evil Johnny 666]

Well I'm not against it, I only think that it is very unlikely. Then inconsistencies are always possible so... And it's also that I never understood what's so important about it. Oh well, I'll let you guys doing your campaign. Forums (particularly game forums) tend to make me a little aggressive and wanted to pop some dream bubbles.

Modifié par Evil Johnny 666, 07 février 2010 - 01:12 .

[Lightice_av]

Forums tend to make me a little aggressive and wanted to pop some dream bubbles.

Better to try and fail than not try at all, eh? Still, always nice to have a civil opponent who actually uses arguments instead of one-liners, at least.

[Shesau]

A lot of folks seem to think we gay romance supporters want to nerf Shepard into some giggly, tea-party participant. Hells no! We love Shep for being an ass-kicking, take no crap from anyone, I-POSSESS-A-MINI-NUKE-DON'T-SCREW-WITH-ME stud. We just happen to want another equally hot, equally deadly gunman in tow instead of a chick he picked up along the way.

Kaidan's romance was proof that in the development of Shepard, there existed no "cannon" idea that he was straight. Whatever changed that made it so Shep couldn't flirt with Alenko was long after the character itself was created. For all we know it was something to do with the fact that they used Mark Vanderloo's face, and the model subsequently had a problem with being portrayed in an alternative relationship. There's no given explanation, so one cannot feasibly argue "Shepard is not gay" because, originally, he could have been - and any number of technical reasons could be the reason why he no longer can.

[La Sangreal]

Got a chance to listen to the "I'm NOT screwing Garrus" dialog in-game. It's even funnier because Mordin just ignores him and continues to state the dangers of having sex with a Turian.

[sw33ts]

Aw thanks, that's all we ask.

Hug?  Maybe a bit of kumbaya?  Maybe the latter is a bit too much..

[Akrim_Drak]

Angsty! Stupid Joker ><



Male Shepard/Kaidan Conversation



Poor Shep/Kaidan...

[Jimmy Fury]

narf weee kaiden/m.shep!

Ok so... i still understand your point Johnny and in a way it is a good one. Yes including a gay option in ME3 when there was none in 1 and 2 would result in people missing out on part of the romance arc.
But... we still miss out on that arc anyway. At least if the option is in 3 we get some sort of romance.
Those are the choices.
No gay option in 1 2 and 3: Gay.Shep players get no romance at all.
No gay option in 1 and 2 but included in 3; Gay.Shep players miss the complication arc but still get some romance.
Quite frankly most of us would be happy just to have the option. We've already missed the trilogy arc so that part has become irrelevant to most of us (hence the debate against what you're saying lol). We will most likely never have it. We still want the chance to give our Shep something personal to fight for though.

Although if we're getting theoretical (as we do often in this thread lol) BioWare's writers are good at what they do. They could easily work the story to explain the lack of m/m romances beforehand.
Heck one little confession on Kaiden's part would solve the whole problem.
"Commander I'm sorry about what I said before. I didn't mean it. I just... seeing you alive it... You were dead Shepard. I lost you... and I lost the chance to tell you how much I care about you. I..." blah blah etc. etc.
That's a three-part arc on it's own. Unrequited love - Painful realization of chance lost - Chance regained big sappy ending. I can name a dozen movies off the top of my head that used the exact same theme.

Edit: Ach. This is what I get for taking a smoke break while writing. bloody conversation is over already.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 07 février 2010 - 01:19 .