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Akrim_Drak wrote...

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See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. 


The love to advertise John Shepard and Shepard as a he in every commercial, i don't know what you are talking about.

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Endurance_117 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. 


The love to advertise John Shepard and Shepard as a he in every commercial, i don't know what you are talking about.




xbox360.ign.com/articles/816/816533p1.html 

xbox360.ign.com/articles/996/996316p1.html  


pc.ign.com/articles/101/1014917p1.html 


Three interviews with bioware where they mention “your Shepard” or “your story”. That’s just a quick search of IGN.

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All done in 2007...

Here's a more recent one, ME3 and Beyond.
http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

Thank god, hopefully the debate can be put to rest now.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 04:18 .


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The interview commentary sounds more like "We heard you but the forums welling over with this topic, so we say that to make it a little bit more quite, so we can concentrate again on a few topics instead of thousands of hate commentaries".

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Knight of Flowers wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. 


The love to advertise John Shepard and Shepard as a he in every commercial, i don't know what you are talking about.




xbox360.ign.com/articles/816/816533p1.html 

xbox360.ign.com/articles/996/996316p1.html  


pc.ign.com/articles/101/1014917p1.html 


Three interviews with bioware where they mention “your Shepard” or “your story”. That’s just a quick search of IGN.


That's not advertisement, that is just character customization in articles. Find a female version of the commercial with Commander Shepard please?

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Endurance_117 wrote...

Knight of Flowers wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. 


The love to advertise John Shepard and Shepard as a he in every commercial, i don't know what you are talking about.




xbox360.ign.com/articles/816/816533p1.html 

xbox360.ign.com/articles/996/996316p1.html  


pc.ign.com/articles/101/1014917p1.html 


Three interviews with bioware where they mention “your Shepard” or “your story”. That’s just a quick search of IGN.


That's not advertisement, that is just character customization in articles. Find a female version of the commercial with Commander Shepard please?



Are you denying that interviews are a form of advertisement? There is more to a marketing campaign than just commercials, you know.

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That's not advertisement, that is just character customization in articles.




Pre-publishing articles aren't advertisment? Oh, yes they are. Their purpose is to draw interest from the potential playerbase. I.e. advertise the product.

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Lightice_av wrote...

That's not advertisement, that is just character customization in articles.


Pre-publishing articles aren't advertisment? Oh, yes they are. Their purpose is to draw interest from the potential playerbase. I.e. advertise the product.


cool story broseph

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Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


No the reason I won't "buy" it. (I'll buy it third party, I still love the atmosphere but I don't feel BioWare deserves my money) is because that's a stupid copout. You can make Shepard any ethnicity, you can choose where he came from, how he joined the military, whether "he" is even a man or not, and HUNDREDS of other things... but the "set character" aspect makes him straight? Really, I'm not dumb, it has nothing to do with "it's not in his character" they PLANNED it for the first game, so clearly it was in his character. I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. I'll still play the game. I just won't be paying BioWare for it. I'll pay GameStop. That is my CHOICE.

Edit: oh my at above poster :wub: Too bad I'm sorta too upset to care right now.


As it is, they lost me as a fan/'consumer' with that IGN article, and likely at least 3 of my friends as well once I tell them.

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That article left me exasperated. It is just...hypocritical. You cannot say you have a pre-defined character, when everything else is all about making choices. But, that is something that has already been stated over and over.

As much as the article bothers me, you have to remember that one person in an interview, even if they are a dev, do not always speak for the whole team.

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SwobyJ wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


No the reason I won't "buy" it. (I'll buy it third party, I still love the atmosphere but I don't feel BioWare deserves my money) is because that's a stupid copout. You can make Shepard any ethnicity, you can choose where he came from, how he joined the military, whether "he" is even a man or not, and HUNDREDS of other things... but the "set character" aspect makes him straight? Really, I'm not dumb, it has nothing to do with "it's not in his character" they PLANNED it for the first game, so clearly it was in his character. I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. I'll still play the game. I just won't be paying BioWare for it. I'll pay GameStop. That is my CHOICE.

Edit: oh my at above poster :wub: Too bad I'm sorta too upset to care right now.


As it is, they lost me as a fan/'consumer' with that IGN article, and likely at least 3 of my friends as well once I tell them.


No great loss...I'll buy 4 copies of ME3 to offset it.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 05:08 .


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I just hope if Bioware ever does decide to let people play as a gay Shepard, it would be for the right reasons.
Whats the point of having the "gay Shepard" option if its ill-constructed, out of place, and under-developed right?
I wonder if Shepard as the character he is now has that wiggle room for that option. Would making Shepard gay be out-of-character?
Anyways those are my thoughts on the matter. I am not for or against this option.


In respect to male Shepard:

Mass Effect 1 can use the 'military professionalism' reason/excuse - Ashley (Kaiden when Female) was a risky fling (leading to romance in ME3 if kept up?) done before a possible fatal mission. Liara had the 'Kirk' Effect, where it was an experience of discovery. We know Kaiden had the dialogue for this option, it just wasn't used.

Mass Effect 2's Thane had a family and I'm sure we don't want to mess with that (he's female fanservice anyway, just really well done fanservice!), and Garrus is...Garrus (it would just end in a mutual understanding). Jacob is the only possibility, but with his previous relationship (of sorts) with Miranda, it looks like he was written as canon straight.

However, maybe it was just how the lines were delivered, but Kaiden on Horizon sounded far more personally stung like he maybe should have. It was as if I cheated on him rather than changed the company I worked for.

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SwobyJ wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


No the reason I won't "buy" it. (I'll buy it third party, I still love the atmosphere but I don't feel BioWare deserves my money) is because that's a stupid copout. You can make Shepard any ethnicity, you can choose where he came from, how he joined the military, whether "he" is even a man or not, and HUNDREDS of other things... but the "set character" aspect makes him straight? Really, I'm not dumb, it has nothing to do with "it's not in his character" they PLANNED it for the first game, so clearly it was in his character. I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. I'll still play the game. I just won't be paying BioWare for it. I'll pay GameStop. That is my CHOICE.

Edit: oh my at above poster :wub: Too bad I'm sorta too upset to care right now.


As it is, they lost me as a fan/'consumer' with that IGN article, and likely at least 3 of my friends as well once I tell them.


:( Keep in mind that it was just one person being interviewed. If they (as a whole) really felt that way, they wouldn't have worked on making it an option before removing it. The proof is in the audio pudding.

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I think that people are reading too much into what he's saying, because he's essentially saying nothing at all to answer the actual question. Just that Shepard is a less flexible character than the Warden - a fact, but a fact that says nothing about sexual orientation, as female Shepard quite clearly shows.

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Now comes the hoping against hope of the smallest section of the fanbase...

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SorenTrigg wrote...

That article left me exasperated. It is just...hypocritical. You cannot say you have a pre-defined character, when everything else is all about making choices. But, that is something that has already been stated over and over.

As much as the article bothers me, you have to remember that one person in an interview, even if they are a dev, do not always speak for the whole team.


True, but it's looking more and more like this is the case.

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

See this is what I am talking about, you won't buy a game because the inclusion of one thing? If I couldn't make Shepard black I would still buy the game.


No the reason I won't "buy" it. (I'll buy it third party, I still love the atmosphere but I don't feel BioWare deserves my money) is because that's a stupid copout. You can make Shepard any ethnicity, you can choose where he came from, how he joined the military, whether "he" is even a man or not, and HUNDREDS of other things... but the "set character" aspect makes him straight? Really, I'm not dumb, it has nothing to do with "it's not in his character" they PLANNED it for the first game, so clearly it was in his character. I'm not buying it because it's not "your Shepard" as they so love to advertise. It's THEIR Shepard. I'll still play the game. I just won't be paying BioWare for it. I'll pay GameStop. That is my CHOICE.

Edit: oh my at above poster :wub: Too bad I'm sorta too upset to care right now.


As it is, they lost me as a fan/'consumer' with that IGN article, and likely at least 3 of my friends as well once I tell them.


No great loss...I'll buy 4 copies of ME3 to offset it.



Wtf are you on about.

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You are aware Ray Muzyka is the CEO and General Manager of Bioware? Loving the denial...

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Now comes the hoping against hope of the smallest section of the fanbase...

Your constant targeting of a group of people on this forum demonstrates your low self-esteem.    A person with healthy self-esteem would feel no need to put down other to feel superior.   You are obviously compensating for your low self-esteem.

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Nah, I'm just happy the debate is settled for now. You guys can go ahead and continue to flog it to death, but it ain't gonna happen.

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Ok,,,,now we have gay Shepard...





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There is something very sad about a person who actually enjoys trolling another section of the fanbase enough to waste hours of his time daily for that sole activity. At least the folks of this thread seek to be constructive and positive, but I guess that's something that certain people will never understand.



Dr. Muzuka's statement dodged the question in its entirety to avoid a situation where he could be accused of saying one thing and doing another at later stage. I very much doubt that they have anything whatsoever planned at this stage. They almost certainly didn't even dream about a Garrus-romance when they had finished with ME1.

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Nah, I'm just happy the debate is settled for now. You guys can go ahead and continue to flog it to death, but it ain't gonna happen.


Why are you spending your time repeatedly voicing your negativity here then? Isn't it a collossal waste of your time? It certainly seems to bother you a lot.

And I'll flog anything I want to...

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Now comes the hoping against hope of the smallest section of the fanbase...


Smallest section? I know about 25 (give or take a couple) people who have and play Mass Effect, to varying levels (very casual to finish a playthrough in a day and know everything about it). A third of these people couldn't give a *** about the romances except for the promise of bewb (something Bioware also seemed to have left out compared to ME1)

Another third are big into all the options romance or otherwise that Mass Effect gives, and very much support m/m and f/f (they'll either play a character with it, or at least like that others can enjoy this), but its not a *big* deal, just an interesting one.

The last third consider the romance options a staple of Bioware and part of the selling point that Mass Effect has. They either love their options, or are either female or a gay male (and actually one of them is a straight male sad about lack of lezbo, haha). They're pretty much burned by this and are already right now telling me that they may not be interested in a ME3 after reading Ray's 'reason'.

It's not a small part of the fanbase, not by a long shot. Bioware's also got to keep in mind that the *strictly mainstream shooter* fan is a very fickle one in their own way, and are quick to abandon a game that doesn't have enough marketing or hype attached. They lost me as a fan, but its not like I'm going "O MAN EFF MASS EFFECT MAG IS OUT!" - I'm willing to see what happens.

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There is something very sad about a person who actually enjoys trolling another section of the fanbase enough to waste hours of his time daily for that sole activity. At least the folks of this thread seek to be constructive and positive, but I guess that's something that certain people will never understand.

Dr. Muzuka's statement dodged the question in its entirety to avoid a situation where he could be accused of saying one thing and doing another at later stage. I very much doubt that they have anything whatsoever planned at this stage. They almost certainly didn't even dream about a Garrus-romance when they had finished with ME1.


I hope they're tracking not just our combat statistics, but... also our choices not to romance anyone, or the little conversation with Mordin lol. 

Anyway, I was able to buy a lot of what ME2 is because I totally understood the aim of trying for a wider market appeal, and it worked! But with ME3... most people who aren't into the series, just won't be at this stage, so Bioware would be best with appealing to the shooter fan through even more improved combat and battles of a more epic stage than hiding behind crates, and the RPG fan (and yes, there are many of us) with a deeper look at these 'streamlined-too-much' systems and fanservice up the wazoo.

In any case, I'm withholding my $$$ until more info comes out in the coming months, and if it doesn't seem positive enough I'll wait til friends get it and reviews come out (I never mind spoilers). And.. if that doesn't seem like it has what I like, I'm just going to buy used from EB if anything. In the end, I can only speak for myself.