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[JamesMoriarty123]

The gay fanbase is obviously the smallest. If not it would have been implemented by now. Nobodys wants to indulge your gay fantasies man...

[Lightice_av]

Well, there's one thing that the hater crowd can do well: make themselves look really, really bad. I don't suspect it's fun to be a reasonable, intelligent person in that crowd, right now. Let them vent; they're a good demonstration to Bioware of what kind of people they were indulging in ME2. A company's quality is determined by their consumers, after all.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 07 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[Lightice_av]

No m/m , no f/f ,

Cute, because we already have F/F. It was there in the first game full power, and it's given a lip service and promise of more to come in ME2.

Also, copy-pasting posts to different threads is strictly forbidden in grand majority of forums - it tends to count as spamming. I recommend you be careful with that kind of behaviour.

[Akrim_Drak]

SwobyJ wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

The gay fanbase is obviously the smallest. If not it would have been implemented by now. Nobodys wants to indulge your gay fantasies man...

I thought you were gone?

Also, Kotor and Jade Empire disagrees. 

Sigh, I just wanna say before I go back to trying to enjoy myself (In my fantasy world I might add because my Shepard is single BECAUSE he's gay, and I'm glad Mordin called me out on it. I don't need them to publically acknowledge that for it to be true) It's not ONLY gay and lesbian players that want same-sex romance. Women are just as into guy/guy as men are into girl/girl, they're just more mature about it and don't flaunt it everywhere. Women also make up 40% of gamers, that's edging scary close to half. Sure a lot of them play Wii and other stuff but it's becoming more and more mainstream.

Please do go away, none of us who frequent this thread(save maybe one or two) are over in your "thread"(I'll be nice) so do the same, get over yourself.

I'd also like to recommend that anyone who thinks a space hero can't be gay should go watch Torchwood. Captain Jack is very much a man, and he's very much in love with men(well until they killed Ianto off but still) It's not some strange foreign thing that makes no sense and yes I've read that article, it's a total copout, just having the option to be female negates most of what he says. I don't think it'll be in ME3 but we're entitled to our opinions and we're more than entitled to let the devs know we would like the option since ya know, Garrus and Tali fans sorta got what they wanted.

If we're doing it for naught why do you even CARE? Let us waste our time and energy.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 07 février 2010 - 05:52 .

[Lightice_av]

If we're doing it for naught why do you even CARE? Let us waste our time and energy.

Because he's a troll; a narcist who lives out of attention, whether positive or negative. He genuinely enjoys of getting on other people's nerves and revels in causing discord and argument. He doesn't go away when asked, and doesn't deserve the effort put into tapping the words with your keypad. He's a ban waiting to happen, either for this topic or some other. Leave it alone.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Again, because you find my opinion disagreeable I am a troll? Sigh...it just never stops...

[Jimmy Fury]

I have to agree with Lightice. Dr. Muzyka's answer was simply not an answer. It was a dodge. He never said no. True, he never said yes either. But if we're going to start inferring things from only the thinnest scraps of "evidence" in an interview, I can read it as "we don't know yet so I can't answer" just as easily as moriarty can read it as "NO ew geh!"





I was going to say a well crafted dodge but in all honesty, and with all due respect to Dr. Muzyka, I think he stuck his foot in his mouth.

The "Why did you take out all of the RP elements!" crowd (which is much muuuuuch larger than the gay romance crowd) is going to have an effing field day with that comment. The core principle of an RPG is that the player molds the character. If that character is predefined and the choices made are only tactical in nature (which... how is spacer war hero a tactical choice?) then it's not an RPG anymore. It's a shooter.



bah i need more coffee to deal with seriousthreads seriousness this early in the afternoon.

[TaliZorah]

No, you're a troll because all you do in this thread is flaming the topic out of boredom.



There's nothing wrong with posting stuff like "I don't think BW will make a gay romance, because..."



BUT



You shouldn't be surprised if most people in here disagree. Dude, it's like posting something like "OMG GARRUS IS UGLY, I WOULDN'T ROMANCE HIM!!!111" into a "Garrus Love" thread.



It's a waste of time and effort to throw your opinion again and again into this thread. But, well, it's YOUR time and YOUR effort, so, yes, it's not my prob.

[Kosmiker]

Priority: Better RPG choices



Lesser Priority: Better Romance choices



Even Lesser Priority: Better Gay Romance choices



Just my 2 cents.

[Lightice_av]

Priority: Better RPG choices

Romance choices are major RPG choices, and the resources it takes to extend an existing romance into a same-sex variety is negligible, as most of those dialogues are gender-neutral.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

As I said in a pre-me2 release thread, I'm pretty certain that there won't be m/m romances in 3 after their absence in 1 and 2. I can be as pissed as I want about it but thats up to Bioware.



Though I don't like how the 'Shepards a pre-defined character' argument keeps coming up in response to m/m queries. Why then can I play as a racist lesbian who hates aliens but also likes having sex with them and collects fish? That seems pretty far from straightwhitemaleinadverts-Shep.

[KateKane]

Lightice_av wrote...

Priority: Better RPG choices

Romance choices are major RPG choices, and the resources it takes to extend an existing romance into a same-sex variety is negligible, as most of those dialogues are gender-neutral.

Not to mention the fact that much of the same-sex romance dialogue winds up in the game files regardless

[Kosmiker]

But since when romance is the priority in ME? I still think that the main plot and the way to finish it is the priority.



This aint a sci-fi version of The Sims.

[Lightice_av]

But since when romance is the priority in ME? I still think that the main plot and the way to finish it is the priority.

It's not and shouldn't be the main priority. It's a small but very significant part of the game that adds depth and humanity to your character, making him/her more like a real person, a significant aspect of role playing. I would argue that the Mass Effect franchise takes romance options far more seriously than your example, the Sims.

That seems pretty far from straightwhitemaleinadverts-Shep.

 

Indeed. If they found this to be too much of an issue, why make the romance options in the first place? Many games have just one, compulsory romance subplot. When you decide to have variety and customizability to the main character, you have to expect people to want all the options. When you add in completely unexpected and strange options like bird- and lizard-men, this question should go double.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 07 février 2010 - 06:33 .

[TaliZorah]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Though I don't like how the 'Shepards a pre-defined character' argument keeps coming up in response to m/m queries. Why then can I play as a racist lesbian who hates aliens but also likes having sex with them and collects fish? That seems pretty far from straightwhitemaleinadverts-Shep.

HAHA, YES. Dude, you made my day!

[Sporothrix]

Zack Ross wrote...

Hey there everyone, I wanted to bring this topic back to page 1, since I know some of you really want a gay romance option for Shepard. However judging from this IGN interview on Mass Effect 2 it looks like they have zero intention to let you do it. Read for yourself but this seems to be the death toll for this particular issue. xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1066954p2.html

Will Ray Muzyka explain what sexual orientation they intended for female Shepard? She can't have any same sex romance option in ME2 because she magically turned into straight after relationship with Liara?

[Kosmiker]

Lightice_av wrote...

But since when romance is the priority in ME? I still think that the main plot and the way to finish it is the priority.

It's not and shouldn't be the main priority. It's a small but very significant part of the game that adds depth and humanity to your character, making him/her more like a real person, a significant aspect of role playing. I would argue that the Mass Effect franchise takes romance options far more seriously than your example, the Sims.

That seems pretty far from straightwhitemaleinadverts-Shep.

 

Indeed. If they found this to be too much of an issue, why make the romance options in the first place? Many games have just one, compulsory romance subplot. When you decide to have variety and customizability to the main character, you have to expect people to want all the options. When you add in completely unexpected and strange options like bird- and lizard-men, this question should go double.

Agreed. I just think this all issue with not having a gay romance option is an over reaction.. people are actually arguing/discussing more about this "gay" issue than about other stuff that I feel are more important right now.

Since I don't have much to add to this thread, I'll stfu for now.

[BLAHBLUE2001]

I don't put much into what the IGN article stated. As many have already stated and we know through playing ME1 and ME2 Shepard’s very origins can be chosen by us the player even down to his/her race, gender, how he/she talks to others, etc. So how pre-defined are they really?

[Arik7]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

I don't put much into what the IGN article stated. As many have already stated and we know through playing ME1 and ME2 Shepard’s very origins can be chosen by us the player even down to his/her race, gender, how he/she talks to others, etc. So how pre-defined are they really?

First Casey Hudson comes out and says that FemShep/Liara relationship is not f/f, and now Muzika tells us their customizable Shepard is somehow a "defined" character, but only if you are male, and only for sexuality....  Bizarre and offensive....

Modifié par Arik7, 07 février 2010 - 06:43 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Quote: from http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

IGN: Will there be gay relationships for the male Shepard? Here at IGN we've heard a lot of positive feedback from the inclusion of gay relationships in Dragon Age; compare that with the somewhat conspicuous absence of them from the first Mass Effect, especially with the chance for a lesbian relationship.

Ray Muzyka: Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional.

We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did in Baldur's Gate, and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But that's by choice.

It's first person versus third person narrative, and the types of choices you get to make within that are related to that, whether you've got a pre-defined character or a wide-open character. Some of our games have been wide open, and some have been more constrained, and we'll probably continue both kinds of character development in the future.

END QUOTE

It really doesn't tell us much. I mean people at IGN specifically mentioned the fact that the option of lesbian romance was available with a Female Shepard, why don't the same rules apply to her, that I applies to Male Shepard. ME1 the females can have Liara, and in ME2 they can have Kelly. Men aren't allowed any male.

Modifié par LoveAsThouWilt, 07 février 2010 - 06:49 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Liara isnt a female, she is an Asari. They can mate with ANY species, ANY gender.

[Madame November]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

The gay fanbase is obviously the smallest. If not it would have been implemented by now. Nobodys wants to indulge your gay fantasies man...

I thought you were gone?

Also, Kotor and Jade Empire disagrees. 

Sigh, I just wanna say before I go back to trying to enjoy myself (In my fantasy world I might add because my Shepard is single BECAUSE he's gay, and I'm glad Mordin called me out on it. I don't need them to publically acknowledge that for it to be true) It's not ONLY gay and lesbian players that want same-sex romance. Women are just as into guy/guy as men are into girl/girl, they're just more mature about it and don't flaunt it everywhere. Women also make up 40% of gamers, that's edging scary close to half. Sure a lot of them play Wii and other stuff but it's becoming more and more mainstream.

Please do go away, none of us who frequent this thread(save maybe one or two) are over in your "thread"(I'll be nice) so do the same, get over yourself.

I'd also like to recommend that anyone who thinks a space hero can't be gay should go watch Torchwood. Captain Jack is very much a man, and he's very much in love with men(well until they killed Ianto off but still) It's not some strange foreign thing that makes no sense and yes I've read that article, it's a total copout, just having the option to be female negates most of what he says. I don't think it'll be in ME3 but we're entitled to our opinions and we're more than entitled to let the devs know we would like the option since ya know, Garrus and Tali fans sorta got what they wanted.

If we're doing it for naught why do you even CARE? Let us waste our time and energy.

Hear! HEAR!!!!!!

All true.

[Sporothrix]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...So how pre-defined are they really?

I don't see any difference between DAO character and Shepard - only voices, you even have given surnames in both.
What's pre-defined is characters lines - in ME sometimes you must reload to have answer you really want, but basically it's the same - you have options devs intended for you.
So, I see that stetement as really poor excuse why there's no gay men romances for Shepard: "you playing our predefined character, he's straight, yet you can change his gender, and play as straight or lesbian woman". That makes his statement really pathetic.

Modifié par misoretu9, 07 février 2010 - 06:55 .