And I want to pose a question to those who think gay romances should be included: Can you tell me the last time you heard of a "Hero's Journey" style story that ended with the main character getting the guy?
Can you name a "Hero's Journey" style story that ended with the girl getting the girl? Because that happened in ME1.
Also, in addition to the Dragon Age example mentioned above: Jade Empire.
And you know that gay heroic literature does exist in the universe, right? I actually hate Mercedes Lackey's books, but there's quite a number of gay protagonists in there. That's just one example off the top of my head.
I mean, that's a bit of a silly question isn't it? We gay gamers want more representation in the medium, and you're arguing that we shouldn't get it because...there isn't enough representation in the medium?
Yep I think dumb is pretty much the only word for it. Bioware used gay romances in other titles they have created and I'm sure that particularly in games like Jade Empire most people didn't really have a clue they could be gay, yet the option was there for those who sought it. Would have been simple enough for Bioware to write a few extra lines of dialogue pay for the VAing and voila. The idea that having the option to play as a gay character when you can easily make the choice to be hetrosexual is going to spoil the game clearly demonstrates that Bioware are simply babysitting those who are insecure in themselves.
Apparently thats already been done for both ME1 and ME2.
A good portion of the gay manshep dialogue written and recorded and then for some odd reason cut mid to late development. Not exactly sure why,
Yep I think dumb is pretty much the only word for it. Bioware used gay romances in other titles they have created and I'm sure that particularly in games like Jade Empire most people didn't really have a clue they could be gay, yet the option was there for those who sought it. Would have been simple enough for Bioware to write a few extra lines of dialogue pay for the VAing and voila. The idea that having the option to play as a gay character when you can easily make the choice to be hetrosexual is going to spoil the game clearly demonstrates that Bioware are simply babysitting those who are insecure in themselves.
Apparently thats already been done for both ME1 and ME2.
A good portion of the gay manshep dialogue written and recorded and then for some odd reason cut mid to late development. Not exactly sure why,
Apparently.
If it is true (I certainly noticed my female shep hitting on Tali in certain dialogue trees that never went anywhere beyond flirting) I think it just further demonstrates that Bioware decided to cop-out on providing people with choice (something which it once seemed good at doing) in order to try and appeal to the "macho shoot em up" market or were just extremely lazy. Neither of which is acceptable.
Juztinb42 wrote... And I want to pose a question to those who think gay romances should be included: Can you tell me the last time you heard of a "Hero's Journey" style story that ended with the main character getting the guy?
My last playthrough of Dragon's Age. And I've run across the scenario in some books. Not as common as the guy gets girl ending, but that's no reason to go on with the same old stuff. The hero can never get the guy like a black man can never become president of the US.
And I want to pose a question to those who think gay romances should be included: Can you tell me the last time you heard of a "Hero's Journey" style story that ended with the main character getting the guy?
Juztinb42 wrote... And I want to pose a question to those who think gay romances should be included: Can you tell me the last time you heard of a "Hero's Journey" style story that ended with the main character getting the guy?
My last playthrough of Dragon's Age. And I've run across the scenario in some books. Not as common as the guy gets girl ending, but that's no reason to go on with the same old stuff. The hero can never get the guy like a black man can never become president of the US.
If BioWare decide on putting gay romances in ME3, I would rather them sell a separate game for it. I do not want one of my favorite characters out of any video game, Kaidan Alenko, to all of a sudden start hitting on me. Well, maybe it doesn't have to be Kaidan. So that makes Jacob the next logical choice. Not only is he black, which may be a turn-off for some gay caucasian males playing the game, but he is also a favorite of mine. So that leaves Garrus, who is my favorite character of all time.
I'm going to leave my personal opinion out, as requested by the moderators, but I just want to say that I don't want to have my opinion of some of my favorite characters in video games become tarnished just because a few people complained.
And I want to pose a question to those who think gay romances should be included: Can you tell me the last time you heard of a "Hero's Journey" style story that ended with the main character getting the guy?
Thats quite the leap in logic you have made there.
Just because we wish them to include the OPTION for ManShep to be gay and be with another lad (like you can be a lesbian with FemShep) does not mean that Kaidan, Jacob, Garrus, or Thane will all suddenly become bisexual or gay. That makes absolutely ZERO sense.
Look at Dragon Age. Alistair flirts with ManWarden ALL the time. I mean ALL the time. And yet he is completely "straight". No matter how hard you try you just wont ever get into his pants. So somehow I think its totally possible to *shock* keep Kaidan, Jacob, Thane, and Garrus as "straight" characters; and maybe introduce a new gay one?
I may not be a straight man but in my oogling of them, there is more flirting amongst them with each other than anything else I have ever seen. Men LOVE to flirt with each other, but straight men it goes no further than brotherly love teasing.
LoveAsThouWilt wrote... I may not be a straight man but in my oogling of them, there is more flirting amongst them with each other than anything else I have ever seen. Men LOVE to flirt with each other, but straight men it goes no further than brotherly love teasing.
LoveAsThouWilt wrote... I may not be a straight man but in my oogling of them, there is more flirting amongst them with each other than anything else I have ever seen. Men LOVE to flirt with each other, but straight men it goes no further than brotherly love teasing.
I believe the term is "bromance"
And I believe that either VH1 or Disney made up the term "bromance" and if I ever heard anyone say it in real life, I would probably punch said person.
For me, i'm pickier. I don't want a random dude thrust into the game for a male romance. I want an update to ME1 with the originally PLANNED possible romance with Kaiden. Which would still carry over well into ME2 as it already is (seeing as there is tension enough already when you run into him)
Uuh.. i've been following thoses threads thinking "yeah why not" and then i checked the wiki...
i always thought kaidan could be a love interest for a male sheppard because of the way they talk to each other but i never tried to go that way. And then i saw in the wiki that he's not a LI for male sheppard...
So what's the big deal here? Sheppard is straight since the first game, why should he suddenly become gay in the third game? I know, he/she SHOULD have been able to be gay, but he/she's not. and Sheppard just can't change sexual orientation in the middle of the story.
That said, it's too bad bioware always seems to chicken out at the last minute:
-the dialogues for gay relationships are already there for kaidan and ashley.
-they defended against critics about the partial nudity in the sex scene of ME1 and then didn't include any in ME2......
What is it going to be in ME3? No more of thoses sexy bisexual asari dancers? Maybe no more relationship at all, hey let's remove the RPG part altogether, there's barely any left in ME2 anyway, every levels are sooo linear, sooo console like...
Let's just make a Teen rated shooter that goes from mission to mission without thoses annoying things that are exploration, talking to npcs, relationships, sidequests, inventory, clothing...
IMO consoles are dumbing down RPGs to the point of killing them.
And not only RPGs i'm getting tired of all thoses game that could have been awesome and end up just being "good"
I dont think it's BioWare's fault, the are just victim of the market and thoses big publishers like EA who push games out before they are completely done like you push crap out of your ass when you go to the toilets. (got the mental image? good!)
Good thing companies like Blizzard are still here and they always take their time to polish a game before releasing it... well the problem is that sometimes you take too much time and that awesome game you've been waiting for a long time never comes out.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ptqn83RNoE
I also blame EA for the lack of homosexual relations and lack of real mature content... weird for a M rated game...
* Blood >> really? where? in a DLC maybe? "coming soon Mass Effect Blood Pack DLC!"
* Drug Reference >> ya.. red sand, a futuristic made up drug we don't see anyone using...
So what's the big deal here? Sheppard is straight since the first game, why should he suddenly become gay in the third game? I know, he/she SHOULD have been able to be gay, but he/she's not. and Sheppard just can't change sexual orientation in the middle of the story.
You've never heard of bisexuality? If it's written well, that's not an issue to worry about.
i don't remember hearing the F word or any other swearing.. (maybe i play paragon too much)
Jack is extremely generous with her expletives...
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WsfWarlord wrote... So what's the big deal here? Sheppard is straight since the first game, why should he suddenly become gay in the third game? I know, he/she SHOULD have been able to be gay, but he/she's not. and Sheppard just can't change sexual orientation in the middle of the story.
While I agree with everything else you said, this defense has been refuted multiple times by the simple fact that a lack of romance options doesn't null the existence of a sexuality. Removing the Kaidan option from 1 didn't make Shepard straight, it made Kaidan straight. Nothing in the first game forced Shepard into a relationship with a female. Simple explanation: There weren't any gay team mates around for Shepard to romance. Hence the logic behind adding a new character instead of changing an existing character.
But yes. Everything else, spot on.
WsfWarlord wrote... * Drug Reference >> ya.. red sand, a futuristic made up drug we don't see anyone using...
So what's the big deal here? Sheppard is straight since the first game, why should he suddenly become gay in the third game? I know, he/she SHOULD have been able to be gay, but he/she's not. and Sheppard just can't change sexual orientation in the middle of the story.
You've never heard of bisexuality? If it's written well, that's not an issue to worry about.
i don't remember hearing the F word or any other swearing.. (maybe i play paragon too much)
Jack is extremely generous with her expletives...
I loved that Volus! My first time I had him go into the room to watch him get murdered then reloaded and knocked him out instead.
As for it not being possible with Kaiden: it is. There tension is still there between him and MShepard, it would be strange for them to romance each other, even now.
I'm against it. Call me a homophobe, and I see that as a compliment. Say I'm closed minded and I say that like any important living organ you have to filter what gets in or that organ become diseased. Since other can be so vocal about wanting this kind of trash in a game I can be vocal against it.
So what's the big deal here? Sheppard is straight since the first game, why should he suddenly become gay in the third game? I know, he/she SHOULD have been able to be gay, but he/she's not. and Sheppard just can't change sexual orientation in the middle of the story.
While I agree with everything else you said, this defense has been refuted multiple times by the simple fact that a lack of romance options doesn't null the existence of a sexuality.
Removing the Kaidan option from 1 didn't make Shepard straight, it made Kaidan straight.
Nothing in the first game forced Shepard into a relationship with a female. Simple explanation: There weren't any gay team mates around for Shepard to romance. Hence the logic behind adding a new character instead of changing an existing character.
But yes. Everything else, spot on.
WsfWarlord wrote...
* Drug Reference >> ya.. red sand, a futuristic made up drug we don't see anyone using...
I am a BIOTIC GOD!
hehehe sorry had to.
Oh.. yeah.. that volus guy, that was funny ^^
Lightice_av wrote...
So what's the big deal here? Sheppard is straight since the first game, why should he suddenly become gay in the third game? I know, he/she SHOULD have been able to be gay, but he/she's not. and Sheppard just can't change sexual orientation in the middle of the story.
You've never heard of bisexuality? If it's written well, that's not an issue to worry about.
i don't remember hearing the F word or any other swearing.. (maybe i play paragon too much)
Jack is extremely generous with her expletives...
Maybe i skip dialogues too much
As for bisexuality, i get it, even if it seems weird to me that the guy "who always get all the womens" in the first two game "convenientely" find a male love interest in the third game.. but yeah, if it's well written.. why not ^^ But i doubt they are going to change their mind over this.
If someone is against anything, he should have at least some argument. Just being against something because you want to be against it is nothing but spam.
After thinking about it some more, Muzyka's interview really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know.
We already knew that the ME team's mindset was such that they were willing to be specifically exclusionary towards the GLBT fanbase, even despite half that demographic already being covered with Liara in the first game. We knew that going in. This really doesn't change things, other than to hear it directly confirmed by them.
It doesn't change things. It just makes our plea even more important.
You're more than welcome to be vocal against it. Nobody said you couldn't be.
What aboooouuuuutttt (not to that guy just getting back on topic) something in the options section that turns samesex romance on and off... Wouldn't break immersion any more than being able to alter the difficulty level or change squadmate power usage...
Make the default setting Off and the "no never" crowd can continue to labor under the dellusion that there is such thing as a canon Shep and he is straight.
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And I've run across the scenario in some books. Not as common as the guy gets girl ending, but that's no reason to go on with the same old stuff. The hero can never get the guy like a black man can never become president of the US.
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