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[Funkenstein23]

Creature 1 wrote...

Funkenstein23 wrote...

All three of those are obviously valid purposes of sex but they aren't the only ones. A sense of protection or safety being instilled in a woman or a sense of validity or purpose in a man are two other purposes. It often is argued that a point of sex is taking two people who, do to natural qualities that are the result of their gender, are opposite, and having them come together in a union which allows both of their natural advanges to shine in a home setting. Regardless my point originally was that Creature 1 said homosexuality was no more perverse than heterosexuality, but the Psychological community would disagree. Not all of them, grant it, but that is the currently held practice.

  Two guys or two girls could also benefit from a sense of safety or sense of purpose.  The idea of male and female being different and opposing is not true.  In some traits there might be a greater tendency to one direction or another in one of the sexes, but all traits fall on overlapping bell curves.  For instance, women tend towards greater verbal ability, but lot of guys still get an 800 on the verbal SAT. 

The psychology community does not recognize homosexuality as an abnormal orientation.  Nonnormative, but not abnormal. 

Okay. Non normative is a phrase I noticed is being tossed around a lot, so it seems I ought to clarify what it means, as I haven't seen it used correctly. Normative means "pertaining to an ideal practice, standard, or model" for example "Don't drink and drive" is normative advice. So saying that homosexuality is non normative is like saying it is not ideal, it is less than the best condition. I dont think thats your intent. Secondly, you are arguing that men and women are not different. Science disagrees. For example women are infinetly more prone to empathy, men are infinetly more prone to bravado. By design they would have to be different in order to facilitate family cohesion. A women is capable of both pregnancy and breast-feeding, two acts which produce great amounts of motherly empathy and caring, making her the care-taker of her home. The father is away from these processes but is connected to his wife. This encourages him to go out, and to win for his family, whether that be hunting in caveman times are working today. These are evolutionary benefits given to men and women. They are indeed different. 

[DoctorOctagonapus]

Orogenic wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

dunno what your link was supposed to be, but I assume it was another "troll" reference because you have nothing intelligent to add.

A.) At first you didn't say anything substantial. You just quoted a legitamate arguement and added your own trollish insight.

B.) When you did edit in your (incorrect) thought, I even edited my reply

The fact that I fail at HTML has nothing to do with it

I did nothing but voice my support for a post that demonstrates very effectively that same sex pairings are no more "perverse" than heterosexual pairings.

I also advised the poster to deliver logical ideas in small amounts because homophobes are by their nature resistant to logic.

If this makes me a troll, by all means report my post.

you "voiced  your support" by insulting the group of people he was arguing against (Which is anybody who DOESN'T think homosexuallity is perverse). And again, when you added an actual point I changed my response.

If you are voluntarily associating your self with the designation "homophobes" then you are putting yourself in the same category as "racists" and "bigots."

One you publicly claim membership in one of these deviant groups, you have indicated that irrational hatred is the basis for at least some of your beliefs, and as a result civilized society no longer owes you respect of any kind. 

I will publicly say that homophobes are, on average, ignorant, unintelligent, poorly educated, unstable, and potentially criminal simply by indicating a willingness to hate a group of people essentially for being what they are.

"respect me, I'm an intolerant and hateful twit" doesn't fly.  Sorry, charlie.

I agree.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

Funkenstein23 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Funkenstein23 wrote...

All three of those are obviously valid purposes of sex but they aren't the only ones. A sense of protection or safety being instilled in a woman or a sense of validity or purpose in a man are two other purposes. It often is argued that a point of sex is taking two people who, do to natural qualities that are the result of their gender, are opposite, and having them come together in a union which allows both of their natural advanges to shine in a home setting. Regardless my point originally was that Creature 1 said homosexuality was no more perverse than heterosexuality, but the Psychological community would disagree. Not all of them, grant it, but that is the currently held practice.

  Two guys or two girls could also benefit from a sense of safety or sense of purpose.  The idea of male and female being different and opposing is not true.  In some traits there might be a greater tendency to one direction or another in one of the sexes, but all traits fall on overlapping bell curves.  For instance, women tend towards greater verbal ability, but lot of guys still get an 800 on the verbal SAT. 

The psychology community does not recognize homosexuality as an abnormal orientation.  Nonnormative, but not abnormal. 

Okay. Non normative is a phrase I noticed is being tossed around a lot, so it seems I ought to clarify what it means, as I haven't seen it used correctly. Normative means "pertaining to an ideal practice, standard, or model" for example "Don't drink and drive" is normative advice. So saying that homosexuality is non normative is like saying it is not ideal, it is less than the best condition. I dont think thats your intent. Secondly, you are arguing that men and women are not different. Science disagrees. For example women are infinetly more prone to empathy, men are infinetly more prone to bravado. By design they would have to be different in order to facilitate family cohesion. A women is capable of both pregnancy and breast-feeding, two acts which produce great amounts of motherly empathy and caring, making her the care-taker of her home. The father is away from these processes but is connected to his wife. This encourages him to go out, and to win for his family, whether that be hunting in caveman times are working today. These are evolutionary benefits given to men and women. They are indeed different. 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but are you suggesting that, psycologically, women are prone to be the housekeeper and men are prone to be the bread-winner?

Edit: does the editor not recognize all HTML, or do I just suck

Modifié par DoctorOctagonapus, 08 février 2010 - 12:28 .

[Jimmy Fury]

pleeeease stop the bickering and name calling [edit: And off-topic debate] people. The thread will get closed. Isn't it more useful to just let the nasty ones get banned so the rest of us can carry on a proper conversation?

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 08 février 2010 - 12:25 .

[SethSteiner]

@Funkenstein23

Science disagrees with you, because the human brain is nearly 100% even. Differences are mostly caused by culture and not by biology. Of course woman and men ARE different in some ways, mostly anatomical but pregnancy and breast feeding is nothing a woman does her whole life. There are even evidences that woman and men hunted animals and collected plants. Since homosexuality is not an issue for our survival and woman are now able to do mostly the same things, the whole stone age argument is for the dog.

[JamesMoriarty123]

I'll be pleased when ME3 comes out without a gaymance option, seems thats the only way the forums will see the end of these rediculous threads.

[Funkenstein23]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Funkenstein23 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

Funkenstein23 wrote...

All three of those are obviously valid purposes of sex but they aren't the only ones. A sense of protection or safety being instilled in a woman or a sense of validity or purpose in a man are two other purposes. It often is argued that a point of sex is taking two people who, do to natural qualities that are the result of their gender, are opposite, and having them come together in a union which allows both of their natural advanges to shine in a home setting. Regardless my point originally was that Creature 1 said homosexuality was no more perverse than heterosexuality, but the Psychological community would disagree. Not all of them, grant it, but that is the currently held practice.

  Two guys or two girls could also benefit from a sense of safety or sense of purpose.  The idea of male and female being different and opposing is not true.  In some traits there might be a greater tendency to one direction or another in one of the sexes, but all traits fall on overlapping bell curves.  For instance, women tend towards greater verbal ability, but lot of guys still get an 800 on the verbal SAT. 

The psychology community does not recognize homosexuality as an abnormal orientation.  Nonnormative, but not abnormal. 

Okay. Non normative is a phrase I noticed is being tossed around a lot, so it seems I ought to clarify what it means, as I haven't seen it used correctly. Normative means "pertaining to an ideal practice, standard, or model" for example "Don't drink and drive" is normative advice. So saying that homosexuality is non normative is like saying it is not ideal, it is less than the best condition. I dont think thats your intent. Secondly, you are arguing that men and women are not different. Science disagrees. For example women are infinetly more prone to empathy, men are infinetly more prone to bravado. By design they would have to be different in order to facilitate family cohesion. A women is capable of both pregnancy and breast-feeding, two acts which produce great amounts of motherly empathy and caring, making her the care-taker of her home. The father is away from these processes but is connected to his wife. This encourages him to go out, and to win for his family, whether that be hunting in caveman times are working today. These are evolutionary benefits given to men and women. They are indeed different. 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but are you suggesting that, psycologically genetically, women are prone to be the housekeeper and men are prone to be the bread-winner?

Basically, yes. There is a dynamic like that in most other species that mate for life, even if its reversed from ours (like with penguins) so why wouldn't it be present in humans too? And I appreciate that you said prone to, instead of relegated to, or something similar.

[BrianWilly]

Since when has controversial content ever hurt any game's sales? Seriously, I ask this every couple of pages, and no one can come up with a single instance of this despite "They will lose money" coming up over and over again.

[Ryzaki]

So that interview didn't completely rule out the option of a male same sex romance for MaleShep? So why is everyone acting as though it did? *confused*

Edit: Brian: I don't think they think that the people wanting to see what all the fuss is about will outnumber the homophobes that drop it like a sac of hot pototoes (not to mention the few homophobes that will secretly buy it anyways just to play the gay romance) .

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 février 2010 - 12:32 .

[Orogenic]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...


Edit: does the editor not recognize all HTML, or do I just suck

copy the url, highlight the desired text in the editor, then click edit/ insert link button.. paste the address there.

[sw33ts]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also, by a certain logic, there hasn't been an F/F romance in either game either. Liara's romance is invalid as an F/F as Asari are monogender. They do not recognise within themselves as either male or female, it's just that they are aesthetically female that's got some people confused...

You're really something.  Time for Sociology 101. Lol.  You can be biologically MAN or WOMAN.  You understand?  Kay onward.  And then there's something called gender.  Genderwise you can be a mirage of things.  Male, female, gender-****...so on so forth.  This is based on the SOCIETY'S view. Just because you are born a man doesn't mean you are a male if say you feel like a female.  Somehow I think you're gonna call this disgusting but you can prove me wrong...but I won't hold my breathe.  Now if Ms. Man has always felt like a female all his life and he dresses like a female.  Thinks as a female, changes his name to that of a female and now wants to be called a female.  Well then SHE can now do that...legally even.  Biologically yes her sex (assuming she doesn't receive the surgery) is still of a man, but genderwise SHE is a female.  Gender is based on society...nothing else.

With a feminine looking species such as the Asari who are ONE gender...which just means they only have one gender...which means...humans could've been one gendered if something else happened and we all could've been males...or females.  Frankly just because they perform the the duties of that of a man and woman...it doesn't mean they're not female because based on human standards THEY look like females.  They sound like females.  And they have breasts as females.  So therefore if my FEMALE shepard goes with the FEMININE asari well then my female shepard is a lesbian by human standards.  Maybe not by asari standards...but by human standards yes.

Modifié par sw33ts, 08 février 2010 - 12:33 .

[BLAHBLUE2001]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

pleeeease stop the bickering and name calling [edit: And off-topic debate] people. The thread will get closed. Isn't it more useful to just let the nasty ones get banned so the rest of us can carry on a proper conversation?

Fully agree here. I thought that changing the color of the font during for any options leading to a romantic conversation would be a good Idea. Not sure who mentioned it.

That way you aren't "forced" to take a path you don't want gay or otherwise
Plus it would have saved me from getting it on with Jack when I was just trying to be nice 

Modifié par BLAHBLUE2001, 08 février 2010 - 12:36 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Sweets, what the hell? Asari have no gender. Just cos they look female, doesn't mean they are. And yeah, sex-change operations are just all kinds of wrong.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

sw33ts wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also, by a certain logic, there hasn't been an F/F romance in either game either. Liara's romance is invalid as an F/F as Asari are monogender. They do not recognise within themselves as either male or female, it's just that they are aesthetically female that's got some people confused...

You're really something.  Time for Sociology 101. Lol.  You can be biologically MAN or WOMAN.  You understand?  Kay onward.  And then there's something called gender.  Genderwise you can be a mirage of things.  Male, female, gender-****...so on so forth.  This is based on the SOCIETY'S view. Just because you are born a man doesn't mean you are a male if say you feel like a female.  Somehow I think you're gonna call this disgusting but you can prove me wrong...but I won't hold my breathe.  Now if Ms. Man has always felt like a female all his life and he dresses like a female.  Thinks as a female, changes his name to that of a female and now wants to be called a female.  Well then SHE can now do that...legally even.  Biologically yes her sex (assuming she doesn't receive the surgery) is still of a man, but genderwise SHE is a female.  Gender is based on society...nothing else.

With a feminine looking species such as the Asari who are ONE gender...which just means they only have one gender...which means...humans could've been one gendered if something else happened and we all could've been males...or females.  Frankly just because they perform the the duties of that of a man and woman...it doesn't mean they're not female because based on human standards THEY look like females.  They sound like females.  And they have breasts as females.  So therefore if my FEMALE shepard goes with the FEMININE asari well then my female shepard is a lesbian by human standards.  Maybe not by asari standards...but by human standards yes.

There is now a much simpler answer when debating this.

http://masseffect.wi.../Kelly_Chambers

The ME2 wiki says...

Kelly is a potential romance option for both a male and female Shepard.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sweets, what the hell? Asari have no gender. Just cos they look female, doesn't mean they are. And yeah, sex-change operations are just all kinds of wrong.

Kelly Chambers

[LoveAsThouWilt]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also, by a certain logic, there hasn't been an F/F romance in either game either. Liara's romance is invalid as an F/F as Asari are monogender. They do not recognise within themselves as either male or female, it's just that they are aesthetically female that's got some people confused...

MONO= one
Gender= well i think you know that one.

Asari are clearly female, and even with that argument saying that they don't recognize themselves as such, the players sure do by their appearance and therefore for a female Shepard to romance Liara is a lesbian romance.

That and you and alot of people seem to be forgetting Kelly in ME2 constantly.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Kelly isn't a bonafide romance option. Anyway, I'ma stop debating these threads. Gay mansex in this game? Aint gonna happen, no way no how. So you can babble and fantasise all you want.

[sw33ts]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sweets, what the hell? Asari have no gender. Just cos they look female, doesn't mean they are. And yeah, sex-change operations are just all kinds of wrong.

YES THEY DO.  lol.  They're called an ALL female race.. ALL FEMALE.    If you want to ignore the codex.  Fine.  But gender is determined by society.  And based on HUMAN society.  They're female.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

pleeeease stop the bickering and name calling [edit: And off-topic debate] people. The thread will get closed. Isn't it more useful to just let the nasty ones get banned so the rest of us can carry on a proper conversation?

Fully agree here. I thought that changing the color of the font during for any options leading to a romantic conversation would be a good Idea. Not sure who mentioned it.

That way you aren't "forced" to take a path you don't want gay or otherwise
Plus it would have saved me from getting it on with Jack when I was just trying to be nice 

Agreed! I ended up romancing Tali, Jack, and Miranda all at once (without the scene) without even realizing it because I was simply being nice to them I thought. I had to tell Jack and Miranda "no" when they asked and I felt kind of bad for it lol

[CommanderShawn]

ya need to get EA will never allow and gay romance they got in trouble for the one romance scene they had in ME1 now imagine if there was a gay romance it would be over for bioware so get over it

[BrianWilly]

To be honest, I barely consider Kelly Chambers to be a romance option either, for either gender. Her whole thing is just so silly.

[Jimmy Fury]

Moriarty. Seriously dude. pay attention.

There is a difference between Gender and Sex. Sex is determine by chromosomes and anatomical parts. Gender is determined by the feminity or masculinity of features, traits, and behaviors.

The asari have no sex at all because their genetic structures allows for multi-species procreation and their parts are apparently variable. They do have a gender as PROVEN by the codex entry referring to them as a female species. It is further proven by their total use of feminine pronouns.



crap i fed the troll. I should go smoke.