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#1901
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BrianWilly wrote...

Since when has controversial content ever hurt any game's sales? Seriously, I ask this every couple of pages, and no one can come up with a single instance of this despite "They will lose money" coming up over and over again.


I've often said that there are really no losers to including LGBT options. F*X news will get to do a story on how immoral Bioware is, which will get them (Bioware) a lot of publicity! It's happened before. Everybody happy, it's the circle of life!!!;)

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Anyway, I'ma stop debating these threads.

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You're really something.  Time for Sociology 101. Lol.  You can be biologically MAN or WOMAN.  You understand?  Kay onward.  And then there's something called gender.  Genderwise you can be a mirage of things.  Male, female, gender-****...so on so forth.  This is based on the SOCIETY'S view. Just because you are born a man doesn't mean you are a male if say you feel like a female.  Somehow I think you're gonna call this disgusting but you can prove me wrong...but I won't hold my breathe.  Now if Ms. Man has always felt like a female all his life and he dresses like a female.  Thinks as a female, changes his name to that of a female and now wants to be called a female.  Well then SHE can now do that...legally even.  Biologically yes her sex (assuming she doesn't receive the surgery) is still of a man, but genderwise SHE is a female.  Gender is based on society...nothing else.


Actually current research into this does notice different chromosomes and hormon, testeron levels depending on person's gender identity.


Exactly.  IF HE THINKS LIKE THAT OF A FEMALE.  THEN HE IS A FEMALE.  It is actually a hormone inbalance.  Because frankly I've heard of lots of cases where people of one sex feel like the opposite gender.  I think some  people should watch TransAmerica.  It'll be a learning experience.

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Kelly isn't a bonafide romance option. Anyway, I'ma stop debating these threads. Gay mansex in this game? Aint gonna happen, no way no how. So you can babble and fantasise all you want.


I would ask what sort of preposterous definiton of romance option you use that excludes Kelly, but it's very clear you're out of logical responses. good day.

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Funkenstein23 wrote...
Okay. Non normative is a phrase I noticed is being tossed around a lot, so it seems I ought to clarify what it means, as I haven't seen it used correctly. Normative means "pertaining to an ideal practice, standard, or model" for example "Don't drink and drive" is normative advice. So saying that homosexuality is non normative is like saying it is not ideal, it is less than the best condition. I dont think thats your intent.

What's your source?  When I see it used in psychological journals it's used as a descriptor, not as a value judgement. 

Secondly, you are arguing that men and women are not different. Science disagrees. For example women are infinetly more prone to empathy, men are infinetly more prone to bravado.

My husband is more empathic than I am and has less bravado, if we define that as "willingness to give people a piece of my mind".  :P  If you look at any studies of sex differences, you'll see there's always extensive overlap. 

By design they would have to be different in order to facilitate family cohesion. A women is capable of both pregnancy and breast-feeding, two acts which produce great amounts of motherly empathy and caring, making her the care-taker of her home.

Except this doesn't always work, and sometimes mothers completely fail to connect with their offspring, while their husbands are very loving. 

The father is away from these processes but is connected to his wife. This encourages him to go out, and to win for his family, whether that be hunting in caveman times are working today. These are evolutionary benefits given to men and women. They are indeed different.

While females benefit from resources acquired by male partners, they also bring home their own bacon. 

#1906
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i highly believe that in me3 there will be no male homosexual romantic option for shepard
not that im against gays but being a guy lesbians seem much more acceptiple than gays(correct e if im wrong but most likely the oposite for woman) and i believe that the staff for me are mostly male (again correct me if im wrong) .  i think it was a mistake to make a lesbian opstion for shepard because it can affect the judgment of many
so a gay shepard should not be in me3 for the games sake

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LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

pleeeease stop the bickering and name calling [edit: And off-topic debate] people. The thread will get closed. Isn't it more useful to just let the nasty ones get banned so the rest of us can carry on a proper conversation?



Fully agree here. I thought that changing the color of the font during for any options leading to a romantic conversation would be a good Idea. Not sure who mentioned it.

That way you aren't "forced" to take a path you don't want gay or otherwise
Plus it would have saved me from getting it on with Jack when I was just trying to be nice :(


Agreed! I ended up romancing Tali, Jack, and Miranda all at once (without the scene) without even realizing it because I was simply being nice to them I thought. I had to tell Jack and Miranda "no" when they asked and I felt kind of bad for it lol


I ended up going all the way with Jack ...ugh! Told Miranda no and never got there with Tali. I was trying to be faithful to Liara (better if it were Kaiden)  but I guess that waits for my 2nd play through :innocent:

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i dont think shepard should ever be gay

#1909
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cnkid20 wrote...

i dont think shepard should ever be gay


Some people do.

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cnkid20 wrote...

i dont think shepard should ever be gay


A shame she can already be gay then, eh?

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cnkid20 wrote...

i dont think shepard should ever be gay


Since you used no argument or reasoning behind why Shepard should never be a homosexual in any way whatsover, I shall use just as simple of an argument: I disagree.

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SorenTrigg wrote...

cnkid20 wrote...

i dont think shepard should ever be gay


A shame she can already be gay then, eh?

Lesbian =/= Gay really though.

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SorenTrigg wrote...

cnkid20 wrote...

i dont think shepard should ever be gay


A shame she can already be gay then, eh?


Indeed (though you need to prepare yourself for the onslaught of "asari are not female etc etc" comments).

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@Creature 1

I am well aware that different people are different and that situations change from one individual to another. That is not the point, although that is all you talked about in rebuttal. The point is what the inclination is. And yes, there is an inclination. Secondly, no, bravado does not mean a willingness to give people a piece of your mind. Thats just being opinionated or extraverted. And finally the dictionary is my source for what normative means.

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My husband is more empathic than I am and has less bravado, if we define that as "willingness to give people a piece of my mind".  :P  If you look at any studies of sex differences, you'll see there's always extensive overlap. 

While females benefit from resources acquired by male partners, they also bring home their own bacon. 


Heh, funny though that for every one dominant, decisive female you always get 100 submissive  guys who want her ;)

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DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also, by a certain logic, there hasn't been an F/F romance in either game either. Liara's romance is invalid as an F/F as Asari are monogender. They do not recognise within themselves as either male or female, it's just that they are aesthetically female that's got some people confused...


You're really something.  Time for Sociology 101. Lol.  You can be biologically MAN or WOMAN.  You understand?  Kay onward.  And then there's something called gender.  Genderwise you can be a mirage of things.  Male, female, gender-****...so on so forth.  This is based on the SOCIETY'S view. Just because you are born a man doesn't mean you are a male if say you feel like a female.  Somehow I think you're gonna call this disgusting but you can prove me wrong...but I won't hold my breathe.  Now if Ms. Man has always felt like a female all his life and he dresses like a female.  Thinks as a female, changes his name to that of a female and now wants to be called a female.  Well then SHE can now do that...legally even.  Biologically yes her sex (assuming she doesn't receive the surgery) is still of a man, but genderwise SHE is a female.  Gender is based on society...nothing else.

With a feminine looking species such as the Asari who are ONE gender...which just means they only have one gender...which means...humans could've been one gendered if something else happened and we all could've been males...or females.  Frankly just because they perform the the duties of that of a man and woman...it doesn't mean they're not female because based on human standards THEY look like females.  They sound like females.  And they have breasts as females.  So therefore if my FEMALE shepard goes with the FEMININE asari well then my female shepard is a lesbian by human standards.  Maybe not by asari standards...but by human standards yes.


There is now a much simpler answer when debating this.

http://masseffect.wi.../Kelly_Chambers

The ME2 wiki says...

Kelly is a potential romance option for both a male and female Shepard.


lol.  whut?

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Whether or not Asari are "technically women" is a moot point IMO. the homophobes would be just as offended if there was a uni-gender race of aliens that resembled and sounded like males and were constantly refered to as "he" and "him".

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Kordaris wrote...

Lesbian =/= Gay really though.


"Don't ask, don't tell" seems to disagree with your logic.

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sweets, what the hell? Asari have no gender. Just cos they look female, doesn't mean they are. And yeah, sex-change operations are just all kinds of wrong.


You are an idiot. They ARE female. They give birth. Sex and Gender are not the same thing, but you're too busy at your local KKK rally to pick up a biology book. Sex is what you're born as, gender is just how society tells someone how  to act. The asari are SEXUALLY female, and their Gender is female, Liara a prime example.

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Ninja Mage wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sweets, what the hell? Asari have no gender. Just cos they look female, doesn't mean they are. And yeah, sex-change operations are just all kinds of wrong.


You are an idiot. They ARE female. They give birth. Sex and Gender are not the same thing, but you're too busy at your local KKK rally to pick up a biology book. Sex is what you're born as, gender is just how society tells someone how  to act. The asari are SEXUALLY female, and their Gender is female, Liara a prime example.


Just as a random question, what did everyone think of the bartender Asari on Illium with the Krogan father? She's fun! lol

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I am well aware that different people are different and that situations change from one individual to another. That is not the point, although that is all you talked about in rebuttal. The point is what the inclination is. And yes, there is an inclination.


There's the question of significance.  When you compare two populations, you can look at the averages and the distributions, and do some math to calculate whether the two populations are statistically significantly different.  In many cases, there has been found to be zero significant difference between men and women.  In other cases, there is a significant difference, but the difference is tiny (differences that are statistically signficant are not always large!) 

Since the overlap of the two populations is so huge on any trait you care to examine, speaking in generalities is meaningless. 

Secondly, no, bravado does not mean a willingness to give people a piece of your mind. Thats just being opinionated or extraverted.

I'm not extraverted, although I freely own I'm opinionated.  (Otherwise, what's the point?)

And finally the dictionary is my source for what normative means.

Ah.  In the social sciences the word is used without any value judgement attached.  That is the way I am using it. 

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JBurke wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Lesbian =/= Gay really though.


"Don't ask, don't tell" seems to disagree with your logic.

Sorry not from USA ;)

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DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Whether or not Asari are "technically women" is a moot point IMO. the homophobes would be just as offended if there was a uni-gender race of aliens that resembled and sounded like males and were constantly refered to as "he" and "him".


Well I wouldn't call them women...female is more PC, but he's trying to disprove the need for gay romance because there isn't a lesbian romance.  In which there is...but okay yeah i suppose arguing with a stubborn person gets me nowhere....

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Kordaris wrote...
Sorry not from USA ;)


Google, use it. ^_^

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LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sweets, what the hell? Asari have no gender. Just cos they look female, doesn't mean they are. And yeah, sex-change operations are just all kinds of wrong.


You are an idiot. They ARE female. They give birth. Sex and Gender are not the same thing, but you're too busy at your local KKK rally to pick up a biology book. Sex is what you're born as, gender is just how society tells someone how  to act. The asari are SEXUALLY female, and their Gender is female, Liara a prime example.


Just as a random question, what did everyone think of the bartender Asari on Illium with the Krogan father? She's fun! lol


I felt bad she just cleaned the counter...no sex.  :(