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[hycer]

Samara has the most beautiful eyes but she totally broke my femshep's heart. "In another time... another life."

[Creature 1]

Funkenstein23 wrote...

@Creature 1
That just isn't true. Im not sure which tests your findings are based of off or which regions these studies were performed in but what you are saying just is not true. Kindly provide a link to what you're basing this assumption on. I am not aware of any statistical overlap large enough to lead me to believe men and women are inherently the same, unless the test with the most overlap was done in a highly liberal area of the US or was funded by CNN. In which case I feel obliged to ignore it as I would a FOX "news" report.

Here's an article that appeared in Science, one of the highest impact general science journals, a few years ago.  It focuses on sex differences in mathematical ability but also refers to a meta-analysis of multiple studies on sex differences in other traits.  From the paper: 

Of the effects for gender differences, 30% were trivial and an additional 48% were small. That is, 78% of the effects for psychological gender differences were small or near zero. . . . An essential implication of these findings is that the overlap of distributions for males and females is substantial for most outcomes.

[Madame November]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Here's some food for thought: should it even be considered gay if it's between two "male" beings of different races? how would you even define which gender was "male" or "female". What if there was a species with THREE genders? What if two genders are biologically different, but both can give birth to children?

Ever read "Lilith's Brood" by Octavia Butler? Male, Female, and Ooloi. Everyone should read that book.

I just can't understand why people are so bothered by options. Don't like an option? Don't use it.

I would also predicate that ruling out too many options is the sure path to a dull life. <3<3<3

[sw33ts]

hycer wrote...

Samara has the most beautiful eyes but she totally broke my femshep's heart. "In another time... another life."

So glad she made that choice for me...cause I was so ready to leave liara...

[Jimmy Fury]

Kordaris wrote...
Funny how those speaking about tolerance show the lack of it.

Actually, what's funny is that there already is a transhuman option.
(if you want to get technical it's... no no that would be a spoiler I think.)

I will stop trollfeeding now and go back to imagining Knights of Cydonia as a themesong for Gay.Shep.

(I guess my expansion idea got lost in the shuffle... boo i really wanted to get people's ideas on that)

[DoctorOctagonapus]

November Cousland wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Here's some food for thought: should it even be considered gay if it's between two "male" beings of different races? how would you even define which gender was "male" or "female". What if there was a species with THREE genders? What if two genders are biologically different, but both can give birth to children?

Ever read "Lilith's Brood" by Octavia Butler? Male, Female, and Ooloi. Everyone should read that book.

I just can't understand why people are so bothered by options. Don't like an option? Don't use it.

I would also predicate that ruling out too many options is the sure path to a dull life. <3<3<3

not too mention fewer customers

[Madame November]

Knights of Cydonia

[Ninja Mage]

Look, I'm tired of fighting people in this thread. After this I'm done with it. I just want the option bioware, whether it be a different mass effect game, DLC, or an expansion.

[Madame November]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Here's some food for thought: should it even be considered gay if it's between two "male" beings of different races? how would you even define which gender was "male" or "female". What if there was a species with THREE genders? What if two genders are biologically different, but both can give birth to children?

Ever read "Lilith's Brood" by Octavia Butler? Male, Female, and Ooloi. Everyone should read that book.

I just can't understand why people are so bothered by options. Don't like an option? Don't use it.

I would also predicate that ruling out too many options is the sure path to a dull life. <3<3<3

not too mention fewer customers

Also, "Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula Leguin. Both genders give birth in that one.
<--------Loves Science Fiction....and Fantasy...and love in general<3

[LoveAsThouWilt]

November Cousland wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Here's some food for thought: should it even be considered gay if it's between two "male" beings of different races? how would you even define which gender was "male" or "female". What if there was a species with THREE genders? What if two genders are biologically different, but both can give birth to children?

Ever read "Lilith's Brood" by Octavia Butler? Male, Female, and Ooloi. Everyone should read that book.

I just can't understand why people are so bothered by options. Don't like an option? Don't use it.

I would also predicate that ruling out too many options is the sure path to a dull life. <3<3<3

not too mention fewer customers

Also, "Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula Leguin. Both genders give birth in that one.
<--------Loves Science Fiction....and Fantasy...and love in general<3

I have that book, though i'll admit, I never read it.

[Jimmy Fury]

Since things are a bit more calm now (and to hopefully save ninja mage from abandoning us ) I'll repost this.
Basically I too tire of the fighting. This "Us vs. Them" feeling is unpleasent and it isn't productive for any of us.
So I think it's high time some middle-ground ideas got brought into play. This is in no way buckling to pressure from the opposition, it's simply an attempt to satisfy both sides of an argument that is growing continually more stale-matey.

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Here's a thought.

How would people feel about something like a side-story expansion that deals with a different character entirely (one who with an open sexuality).
DAO:A is going to do sort of that by giving you the Orlesian Warden to play, but I'm thinking more along the lines of GTA:IV's expansions. Same setting just different characters who can tie into the main story and provide some more perspective on the universe and everything that's happening.
The way 2 plays out it leaves a lot of room for other stories to be happening simultaneously. While Shep is out doing his thing there's bound to be something going on with the Alliance right?

Basically... something like Mass Effect Galaxy but for the main systems. Introduce new characters, bridge some story elements, give the universe more depth, and help set up ME3...

Personally, I could be satisfied with something that simple. Sure I would prefer Gay.Shep, but If the character was interesting enough (Perhaps introducing a main protagonist for future games?) I'd be cool with that.

Again, my preference lies in an addition to the main story in which Shep can be gay. Barring that, I say we aim for a new protagonist to take over after Shep's story is done. Particularly one we don't have to wait 6 years for.

[Funkenstein23]

@Creature 1

Thank you for the link. I read the entire article and I don't think it actually applies to what we are talking about. It speaks of differences in an educational setting, with regards to kids ability in a scientific or mathematic field. In fact, even the passage you quoted was in regards to how genders should be broken up in a classroom. I am not implying that men and women are different in terms of mental prowess, which is all that article is addressing. I did not see any baseline psychological claims, because that wasn't the authors intent. 

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Since things are a bit more calm now (and to hopefully save ninja mage from abandoning us ) I'll repost this.
Basically I too tire of the fighting. This "Us vs. Them" feeling is unpleasent and it isn't productive for any of us.
So I think it's high time some middle-ground ideas got brought into play. This is in no way buckling to pressure from the opposition, it's simply an attempt to satisfy both sides of an argument that is growing continually more stale-matey.

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Here's a thought.

How would people feel about something like a side-story expansion that deals with a different character entirely (one who with an open sexuality).
DAO:A is going to do sort of that by giving you the Orlesian Warden to play, but I'm thinking more along the lines of GTA:IV's expansions. Same setting just different characters who can tie into the main story and provide some more perspective on the universe and everything that's happening.
The way 2 plays out it leaves a lot of room for other stories to be happening simultaneously. While Shep is out doing his thing there's bound to be something going on with the Alliance right?

Basically... something like Mass Effect Galaxy but for the main systems. Introduce new characters, bridge some story elements, give the universe more depth, and help set up ME3...

Personally, I could be satisfied with something that simple. Sure I would prefer Gay.Shep, but If the character was interesting enough (Perhaps introducing a main protagonist for future games?) I'd be cool with that.

Again, my preference lies in an addition to the main story in which Shep can be gay. Barring that, I say we aim for a new protagonist to take over after Shep's story is done. Particularly one we don't have to wait 6 years for.

I will have to agree. Considering I'll never get my Kaiden that ship has sailed and sunk.

[Akrim_Drak]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Since things are a bit more calm now (and to hopefully save ninja mage from abandoning us ) I'll repost this.
Basically I too tire of the fighting. This "Us vs. Them" feeling is unpleasent and it isn't productive for any of us.
So I think it's high time some middle-ground ideas got brought into play. This is in no way buckling to pressure from the opposition, it's simply an attempt to satisfy both sides of an argument that is growing continually more stale-matey.

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Here's a thought.

How would people feel about something like a side-story expansion that deals with a different character entirely (one who with an open sexuality).
DAO:A is going to do sort of that by giving you the Orlesian Warden to play, but I'm thinking more along the lines of GTA:IV's expansions. Same setting just different characters who can tie into the main story and provide some more perspective on the universe and everything that's happening.
The way 2 plays out it leaves a lot of room for other stories to be happening simultaneously. While Shep is out doing his thing there's bound to be something going on with the Alliance right?

Basically... something like Mass Effect Galaxy but for the main systems. Introduce new characters, bridge some story elements, give the universe more depth, and help set up ME3...

Personally, I could be satisfied with something that simple. Sure I would prefer Gay.Shep, but If the character was interesting enough (Perhaps introducing a main protagonist for future games?) I'd be cool with that.

Again, my preference lies in an addition to the main story in which Shep can be gay. Barring that, I say we aim for a new protagonist to take over after Shep's story is done. Particularly one we don't have to wait 6 years for.

I'd be all for a spinoff since "their" Shepard can't be gay. Doubt we'd see it anytime before the main series is over though which makes me meh.

[BrianWilly]

As I said earlier, I would support that content, but it feels entirely too "separate but equal" to me. As a Mass Effect fan I would not be satisfied with anything less than gay Shep.

[Madame November]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...


I have that book, though i'll admit, I never read it.

"Lilith's Brood" is much better IMO, but the Leguin book is pretty good too.

ahem... on topic...uh...I am in favor of gay romance options in ME.





I would also support a decision to put in co-ed shower, but that's for another thread...

[LoveAsThouWilt]

November Cousland wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...


I have that book, though i'll admit, I never read it.

"Lilith's Brood" is much better IMO, but the Leguin book is pretty good too.

ahem... on topic...uh...I am in favor of gay romance options in ME.





I would also support a decision to put in co-ed shower, but that's for another thread...

lmao with the bathrooms on the ship I kept expecting to walk into someone in them. Never did though.

As for co-ed bathrooms - only one thing to say: walking in on Kaiden or Thane lmao


As for back on topic: I want Kaiden.

[Madame November]

Kordaris wrote...

November Cousland wrote...



Also, "Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula Leguin. Both genders give birth in that one.
<--------Loves Science Fiction....and Fantasy...and love in general<3

Ugh, Le Guin and all that New Wave SF. Seriously avoid it. I crunched through most of her books in my teens, when I was reading like three books per day, nothing really worth it.  Lem, Baxter, Vinge, Reynolds even Niven beats this emo-SF any time. Earthsea is bearable(except the last volume which is meh) but it's fantasy.

<--------- daughter of Angus Thermopyle

We were talking about a specific set of occurrences in SF themes, dude. I did not start a thread on "The bestest ever SciFi book ever":P

Modifié par November Cousland, 08 février 2010 - 02:29 .

[BLAHBLUE2001]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Since things are a bit more calm now (and to hopefully save ninja mage from abandoning us ) I'll repost this.
Basically I too tire of the fighting. This "Us vs. Them" feeling is unpleasent and it isn't productive for any of us.
So I think it's high time some middle-ground ideas got brought into play. This is in no way buckling to pressure from the opposition, it's simply an attempt to satisfy both sides of an argument that is growing continually more stale-matey.

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Here's a thought.

How would people feel about something like a side-story expansion that deals with a different character entirely (one who with an open sexuality).
DAO:A is going to do sort of that by giving you the Orlesian Warden to play, but I'm thinking more along the lines of GTA:IV's expansions. Same setting just different characters who can tie into the main story and provide some more perspective on the universe and everything that's happening.
The way 2 plays out it leaves a lot of room for other stories to be happening simultaneously. While Shep is out doing his thing there's bound to be something going on with the Alliance right?

Basically... something like Mass Effect Galaxy but for the main systems. Introduce new characters, bridge some story elements, give the universe more depth, and help set up ME3...

Personally, I could be satisfied with something that simple. Sure I would prefer Gay.Shep, but If the character was interesting enough (Perhaps introducing a main protagonist for future games?) I'd be cool with that.

Again, my preference lies in an addition to the main story in which Shep can be gay. Barring that, I say we aim for a new protagonist to take over after Shep's story is done. Particularly one we don't have to wait 6 years for.

I'd be all for a spinoff since "their" Shepard can't be gay. Doubt we'd see it anytime before the main series is over though which makes me meh.

I think its a good idea,still prefer just having the same options as others. Wouldn't a side quest cost more then just giving us gay romance options though?

[abletankbuster]

It should be a possibill]ity nothing more... None of you are making a big deal out of a lesbian shepard because that stuff does not bother guys, yall arent making a big deal out of Fem shepard with Liara in the first game or mornith in the second game stop the hypocracy

[BrandNewMan]

You guys must not care for Kaidan much if you continue to spell his name wrong. >_>

[LoveAsThouWilt]

I almost wish I never saw those would be videos of MShepard and Kaiden because it just peeves me off more knowing that it was intended and DONE, but thrown away in the end. Its bull.

[DaySeeker]

Any chance the two unrevealed squadmates could be gay. Bioware I believe in you.

[Jimmy Fury]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...
I think its a good idea,still prefer just having the same options as others. Wouldn't a side quest cost more then just giving us gay romance options though?

They already plan on putting out DLC and most likely expansions (depending, I suppose, on how well Awakening does...) so the resources are already there and will already be used. It's just a matter how whether or not any new protagonists will be introduced and how their romance options, if any, will be handled.

Although I think my use of the term "side quest" may have been inaccurate to what I was aiming for.

More like the roots of a new series. Instead of just waiting for ME3 to be out and done, start building the new story now alongside ME so that the stories can flow together. Put together an expansion where the story runs simultaneous to the events of ME2, which introduces characters who can then be used in ME3, and then move on to their own series after Shep's story is done.
Theoretically, if Miranda or Jacob were to helm a new spin-off, they would have already done it just not on the main consoles.