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#1976
Jimmy Fury

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Any chance the two unrevealed squadmates could be gay. Bioware I believe in you.


I hope this doesn't count as a spoiler but short answer: No.

#1977
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Jimmy Fury wrote...

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...
I think its a good idea,still prefer just having the same options as others. Wouldn't a side quest cost more then just giving us gay romance options though?


They already plan on putting out DLC and most likely expansions (depending, I suppose, on how well Awakening does...) so the resources are already there and will already be used. It's just a matter how whether or not any new protagonists will be introduced and how their romance options, if any, will be handled.

Although I think my use of the term "side quest" may have been inaccurate to what I was aiming for.

More like the roots of a new series. Instead of just waiting for ME3 to be out and done, start building the new story now alongside ME so that the stories can flow together. Put together an expansion where the story runs simultaneous to the events of ME2, which introduces characters who can then be used in ME3, and then move on to their own series after Shep's story is done.
Theoretically, if Miranda or Jacob were to helm a new spin-off, they would have already done it just not on the main consoles.



Interesting thought, though, I would miss Commander Shepard. Just look at him! lol

#1978
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Jimmy Fury wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

Any chance the two unrevealed squadmates could be gay. Bioware I believe in you.


I hope this doesn't count as a spoiler but short answer: No.


Aw...:(

Sad Panda I am.

#1979
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Ryzaki wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

DaySeeker wrote...

Any chance the two unrevealed squadmates could be gay. Bioware I believe in you.


I hope this doesn't count as a spoiler but short answer: No.


Aw...:(

Sad Panda I am.


Well i mean if he is talking about the two squad mates who are still "classified" on the website then the answer is no. They're both already in the game and neither is gay (actually if you pay attention to this thread enough you know for a fact who one is. The other is superspoiler though and should not be spoken of outside of spoiler threads! AWESOMNESS but still. no speaky!)
If he means DLC characters then it's unlikely. Zaeed is def. not gay (nor would most of us want him to be) and Kasumi is female as established already through in-game random news feeds.
Kasumi still has the chance to be f/f romancable I suppose if they want to do that. It would tick some people (me) off but whatever.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 08 février 2010 - 03:02 .


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November Cousland wrote...

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Here's some food for thought: should it even be considered gay if it's between two "male" beings of different races? how would you even define which gender was "male" or "female". What if there was a species with THREE genders? What if two genders are biologically different, but both can give birth to children?


Ever read "Lilith's Brood" by Octavia Butler? Male, Female, and Ooloi. Everyone should read that book.

I just can't understand why people are so bothered by options. Don't like an option? Don't use it.

I would also predicate that ruling out too many options is the sure path to a dull life. <3<3<3


not too mention fewer customers


Also, "Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula Leguin. Both genders give birth in that one.
<--------Loves Science Fiction....and Fantasy...and love in general<3


For interesting gender issues in scifi don't miss "Steel Beach" by Varley and "Forever War" by Haleman.

OH... and how could I forget "Time Enough for Love" by Heinlein,  All excellent and sure to send phobics running to mama.

#1981
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When will i get my epic manly man scifi/fantasy romance story in a game? or even in a good movie..

#1982
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If there were an expansion, spin-off, or add-on with a gay/bi main character and/or romanceable squadmate, I'd buy it. I do have to point out that many of the criticisms against those of us who support same-sex romances for Shepard have fallen back on the argument that "it's a waste of resources just to please a niche market!" Surely, including the script for a character who follows the same script whether they romance a male or female Shepard (like the Kaiden dialogue and voiceover) is a far more efficient use of resources and doesn't have the same issues of marginalization ("You can be gay, just pay extra!").



For folks who are already feeling the defeatist "that ship has sailed and sunk!" sentiment after a vitriolic flurry of forum activity... don't surrender to the feeling. I've been doing social equity advocacy work for years, and often it *takes* years. I believe that BioWare are more likely to be responsive than many I've made pleas to before.



We may yet get our "Hell, Kaiden, you're a sight for sore eyes!" reunion. Or maybe Sven the scruffy yet sensitive space mercenary. He'd be fine, too. ;)



Opening up the xenophilic relationships would be a nice step, although I've already mentioned my thoughts on intergalactic gender variance and the entire idea of "gay/straight" seeming nonsensical where aliens are concerned.



For those who said kind things about my earlier post @p.71, thanks. Yes, I know I'm overly wordy: thank you for reading, and your own reasoned contributions to this discussion. I've appreciated all of your points of view.

#1983
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tyddrwsau wrote...

If there were an expansion, spin-off, or add-on with a gay/bi main character and/or romanceable squadmate, I'd buy it. I do have to point out that many of the criticisms against those of us who support same-sex romances for Shepard have fallen back on the argument that "it's a waste of resources just to please a niche market!" Surely, including the script for a character who follows the same script whether they romance a male or female Shepard (like the Kaiden dialogue and voiceover) is a far more efficient use of resources and doesn't have the same issues of marginalization ("You can be gay, just pay extra!").

For folks who are already feeling the defeatist "that ship has sailed and sunk!" sentiment after a vitriolic flurry of forum activity... don't surrender to the feeling. I've been doing social equity advocacy work for years, and often it *takes* years. I believe that BioWare are more likely to be responsive than many I've made pleas to before.

We may yet get our "Hell, Kaiden, you're a sight for sore eyes!" reunion. Or maybe Sven the scruffy yet sensitive space mercenary. He'd be fine, too. ;)

Opening up the xenophilic relationships would be a nice step, although I've already mentioned my thoughts on intergalactic gender variance and the entire idea of "gay/straight" seeming nonsensical where aliens are concerned.

For those who said kind things about my earlier post @p.71, thanks. Yes, I know I'm overly wordy: thank you for reading, and your own reasoned contributions to this discussion. I've appreciated all of your points of view.


Your cool! And have a knack for uplifting us defeatists here lol Cause, I want my Kaiden/Shepard mance! It was made, it just needs RELEASED. A game update is simple. It can be done for glitches, it can be done for this as well.

#1984
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hmmm... Sven the Scruffy space merc... as modeled by Alexander Skarsgard thus fulfilling both gay.Shep and bi.Eric fanbases.
I could live with that:O

#1985
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Jimmy Fury wrote...

hmmm... Sven the Scruffy space merc... as modeled by Alexander Skarsgard thus fulfilling both gay.Shep and bi.Eric fanbases.
I could live with that:O


How about modeled off the main dude from Spartacus? he he

#1986
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Jimmy Fury wrote...

hmmm... Sven the Scruffy space merc... as modeled by Alexander Skarsgard thus fulfilling both gay.Shep and bi.Eric fanbases.
I could live with that:O


How about modeled off the main dude from Spartacus? he he

#1987
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LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

I almost wish I never saw those would be videos of MShepard and Kaiden because it just peeves me off more knowing that it was intended and DONE, but thrown away in the end. Its bull.


Calm down stud lol I understand why bioware did it, but why waste the resources in the first place. Oh well, I still have my thane nudie pic so im happy lol

#1988
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Jimmy Fury wrote...

hmmm... Sven the Scruffy space merc... as modeled by Alexander Skarsgard thus fulfilling both gay.Shep and bi.Eric fanbases.
I could live with that:O


Hendel, the ex-marine biotic in the second Mass Effect novel was very much scruffy and very much buff manly. -_- It's okay for the novels but it's not okay for the game!

Edit: Because I'm feeling um... something(time of the month maybe) I guess since the Asari are not female, my male shepard can have sex with one or all that he wants and still be gay! ^^

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 08 février 2010 - 03:13 .


#1989
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Ninja Mage wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

I almost wish I never saw those would be videos of MShepard and Kaiden because it just peeves me off more knowing that it was intended and DONE, but thrown away in the end. Its bull.


Calm down stud lol I understand why bioware did it, but why waste the resources in the first place. Oh well, I still have my thane nudie pic so im happy lol


What was that? Share share lol

#1990
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neva mind lol

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 08 février 2010 - 03:23 .


#1991
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Yeah wow >.> don't leave that there for long.



Here's to screwing nothing but Asari to throw everyone off! You can't call him straight because they're not women!

#1992
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WOW just wow Ninja lol A bit much don't you think? oh well we're all starving for our men in ME

#1993
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Ninja Mage wrote...

IGN: Will there be gay relationships for the male Shepard? Here at IGN we've heard a lot of positive feedback from the inclusion of gay relationships in Dragon Age; compare that with the somewhat conspicuous absence of them from the first Mass Effect, especially with the chance for a lesbian relationship.

Ray Muzyka: Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional

Why can't male shepard be gay? Because he's a pre-defined character...oh ok then let's throw the dialogue trees out the window, the exploration, the ability to choose what girl you want to romance, and what armor Shepard gets to wear because OBVIOUSLY mr Muzyka has made that choice for us. Why doesn't he just come over my house and play the game for me, if he's so adamant about pre-defined choices. In other words, this is the story, and THIS is how you're SUPPOSE to be playing it. Ridiculous



AMEN!!!!

#1994
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Just plain no. gtfo with that kinda crap. Shepard is one bad mamajama he only romances women. I rather they remove the whole sex thing from the game than have them put that kinda crappola in it.

Modifié par Terran235, 08 février 2010 - 03:30 .


#1995
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WARNING WARNING Feeding the troll has side-effects.

#1996
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DaySeeker wrote...

Any chance the two unrevealed squadmates could be gay. Bioware I believe in you.


2?

I thought it was 1.

#1997
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Technically the G man is still classified on the website but with the 34583498 threads about him in the spoiler-free section it's not much of a mystery who he is anymore...

(I still won't name just because i don't want to risk a Spoiler Lockdown lol)

#1998
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BrandNewMan wrote...

You guys must not care for Kaidan much if you continue to spell his name wrong. >_>


Ha ha true! thanks for pointing that out to me!

#1999
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Where for art thou Kaidan?!! Where?

#2000
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Kaiden- I'm coming Shepard, I'm cominG!!!!! lol