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[BLAHBLUE2001]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...
I think its a good idea,still prefer just having the same options as others. Wouldn't a side quest cost more then just giving us gay romance options though?

They already plan on putting out DLC and most likely expansions (depending, I suppose, on how well Awakening does...) so the resources are already there and will already be used. It's just a matter how whether or not any new protagonists will be introduced and how their romance options, if any, will be handled.

Although I think my use of the term "side quest" may have been inaccurate to what I was aiming for.

More like the roots of a new series. Instead of just waiting for ME3 to be out and done, start building the new story now alongside ME so that the stories can flow together. Put together an expansion where the story runs simultaneous to the events of ME2, which introduces characters who can then be used in ME3, and then move on to their own series after Shep's story is done.
Theoretically, if Miranda or Jacob were to helm a new spin-off, they would have already done it just not on the main consoles.

Oh ok I see, what you mean. I like the idea and always enjoy new characters especially if they interact with the actual story (unlike Zhaleed...I know I probably spelt it wrong), but I still feel as that I would want the option have my maleShep go through a gay romance.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Kaiden- I'm coming Shepard, I'm cominG!!!!! lol

I wanted to make a Mark Harmon - Commander Shepard so he could be a sniper (GIBBS) and I would actually then be willing to let Ashley live if only to "play as Gibbs would" lmao

[LoveAsThouWilt]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...
I think its a good idea,still prefer just having the same options as others. Wouldn't a side quest cost more then just giving us gay romance options though?

They already plan on putting out DLC and most likely expansions (depending, I suppose, on how well Awakening does...) so the resources are already there and will already be used. It's just a matter how whether or not any new protagonists will be introduced and how their romance options, if any, will be handled.

Although I think my use of the term "side quest" may have been inaccurate to what I was aiming for.

More like the roots of a new series. Instead of just waiting for ME3 to be out and done, start building the new story now alongside ME so that the stories can flow together. Put together an expansion where the story runs simultaneous to the events of ME2, which introduces characters who can then be used in ME3, and then move on to their own series after Shep's story is done.
Theoretically, if Miranda or Jacob were to helm a new spin-off, they would have already done it just not on the main consoles.

Oh ok I see, what you mean. I like the idea and always enjoy new characters especially if they interact with the actual story (unlike Zhaleed...I know I probably spelt it wrong), but I still feel as that I would want the option have my maleShep go through a gay romance.

Zaed could go to hell! Why did they give him to us? He's not likable at all, unless perhaps your a renegade. I punched the bastard in the face for being heartless during his loyalty quest.

Anyways moving on....

[Juztinb42]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...


Zaed could go to hell! Why did they give him to us? He's not likable at all, unless perhaps your a renegade. I punched the bastard in the face for being heartless during his loyalty quest.

Anyways moving on....

I like Zaeed.  Who else do you know that survived a gunshot to the head?

Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

Modifié par Juztinb42, 08 février 2010 - 04:04 .

[sw33ts]

I'm confused. WHO'S G MAN?!?! Did this suddenly become half life? And yeah I didn't like Zaeed...my paragon punched him...



O_O



Can I get a PM or something?

[sw33ts]

Juztinb42 wrote...
Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

And most of us called BS on that answer because it makes no sense, because we can change our gender, our backstory, our sex...so on so forth.  If he's canon we shouldn't be able to change any of those.

[Jimmy Fury]

Juztinb42 wrote...
Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

Yes we've all seen the interview and we've covered:
1: it isn't actually true. Warden and Shep are exactly the same in terms of what the player can and can not choose, with the one glaring exception of sexuality for M.Shep
2: He was clearly dodging the question because he never actually answers it. He says stuff about narratives being different, he never follows it with "So no there won't be a gay romance in ME3"

[Juztinb42]

sw33ts wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

And most of us called BS on that answer because it makes no sense, because we can change our gender, our backstory, our sex...so on so forth.  If he's canon we shouldn't be able to change any of those.

Of course you should be able to...with KOTOR, the canon Revan was a male, lightside Guardian.  But you could make a male/female, darkside Consular or a male/female, gray Sentinel, they just wouldn't be canon.

Canon is just what is said to be true by the holder of the IP.  Like in the DLC for The Force Unleashed, the ending is that *SPOILER* Starkiller takes on Luke Skywalker as an Apprentice.  Of course, that's not canon because the canon story for Star Wars is that Luke doesn't fall to the darkside and at Hoth, he never even meets Starkiller.

[Juztinb42]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

Yes we've all seen the interview and we've covered:
1: it isn't actually true. Warden and Shep are exactly the same in terms of what the player can and can not choose, with the one glaring exception of sexuality for M.Shep
2: He was clearly dodging the question because he never actually answers it. He says stuff about narratives being different, he never follows it with "So no there won't be a gay romance in ME3"

I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

[Akrim_Drak]

It's Garrus sweets, hardly a spoiler anymore.



My new motto is: I had sex with an Asari but I'm still gay cuz she's not a woman!

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

It's Garrus sweets, hardly a spoiler anymore.

My new motto is: I had sex with an Asari but I'm still gay cuz she's not a woman!

Nice, real nice. If they're going to use the argument that Fem Shep romacning Liara isn't lesbian I see no reason you can't say what you are saying! lol

[Jimmy Fury]

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

[Akrim_Drak]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

It's Garrus sweets, hardly a spoiler anymore.

My new motto is: I had sex with an Asari but I'm still gay cuz she's not a woman!

Nice, real nice. If they're going to use the argument that Fem Shep romacning Liara isn't lesbian I see no reason you can't say what you are saying! lol

Exactly >.> I like fighting with intelligence, it's fun!

[ScorpSt]

Juztinb42 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

And most of us called BS on that answer because it makes no sense, because we can change our gender, our backstory, our sex...so on so forth.  If he's canon we shouldn't be able to change any of those.

Of course you should be able to...with KOTOR, the canon Revan was a male, lightside Guardian.  But you could make a male/female, darkside Consular or a male/female, gray Sentinel, they just wouldn't be canon.

Canon is just what is said to be true by the holder of the IP.  Like in the DLC for The Force Unleashed, the ending is that *SPOILER* Starkiller takes on Luke Skywalker as an Apprentice.  Of course, that's not canon because the canon story for Star Wars is that Luke doesn't fall to the darkside and at Hoth, he never even meets Starkiller.

Well, if we're playing a non-canon Shepard anyway, why can't we just play him/her however we want?

Mass Effect has been constantly been built up around the notion of Choice. We choose whether Wrex lives or dies; we choose who makes it through Virmire; we choose to sacrifice the council or not and we choose who survives the Suicide Mission. Why can't we choose our Shepard's orientation.

[Juztinb42]

ScorpSt wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
Edit:  And for those of you who are using Dragon Age as an example of why gay romances should be allowed in ME, check out the interview with Ray Muzyka on IGN.  He specifically says that Dragon Age and Mass Effect are two very different games.  Dragon Age is first person narration, meaning that you are the canon character.  Mass Effect is third person narration, meaning that the straight, male Shepard with the default appearance is canon.

It was a good argument while it lasted.

And most of us called BS on that answer because it makes no sense, because we can change our gender, our backstory, our sex...so on so forth.  If he's canon we shouldn't be able to change any of those.

Of course you should be able to...with KOTOR, the canon Revan was a male, lightside Guardian.  But you could make a male/female, darkside Consular or a male/female, gray Sentinel, they just wouldn't be canon.

Canon is just what is said to be true by the holder of the IP.  Like in the DLC for The Force Unleashed, the ending is that *SPOILER* Starkiller takes on Luke Skywalker as an Apprentice.  Of course, that's not canon because the canon story for Star Wars is that Luke doesn't fall to the darkside and at Hoth, he never even meets Starkiller.

Well, if we're playing a non-canon Shepard anyway, why can't we just play him/her however we want?

Mass Effect has been constantly been built up around the notion of Choice. We choose whether Wrex lives or dies; we choose who makes it through Virmire; we choose to sacrifice the council or not and we choose who survives the Suicide Mission. Why can't we choose our Shepard's orientation.

Maybe BioWare's idea of Shepard isn't a gay one.  Maybe no matter if you're playing the canon Shepard or not, he will never be gay because that is part of the third person narration in Mass Effect.  That's the whole idea behind it: your experience is much more streamlined than first person narration.  You play the character that the developers tell you to play, but you make the decisions that they let you make.

[Juztinb42]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

"It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."  "...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews..."

I think those two quotes give you your answer.  PRE-DEFINED is what really sticks out there.  You're playing a character that was born straight, and always will be straight.

[Jimmy Fury]

Juztinb42 wrote...
Maybe BioWare's idea of Shepard isn't a gay one.  Maybe no matter if you're playing the canon Shepard or not, he will never be gay because that is part of the third person narration in Mass Effect.

 

Except, agaaaain. F.Shep can be gay. I digress though I'm more interested in...

That's the whole idea behind it: your experience is much more
streamlined than first person narration.  You play the character that
the developers tell you to play, but you make the decisions that they
let you make.

Please explain how that is any different from DA.
ME actually has more character design choices than DA does...

Compare:
DA: 7 possible combinations of race and background.
H.Mage, H.Noble, E.Mage, City Elf, Dalish Elf, D.Noble, D.Commoner

ME: 9 possible combinations of personal history and military history.
Spacer, Earth Born, Colonist / War Hero, Survivor, Ruthless.

DA has 3 combat classes.
ME has 6 combat classes.

How does one reason that ME has a cannon character while DA doesn't?
Edit: Seriously. How do 9 different origin stories equate to a predefined character?
How does "certain approaches and world views" equate to heterosexual?
Approaches and worldviews are your paragon/renegade options not your romance partners.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 08 février 2010 - 04:46 .

[Akrim_Drak]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Maybe BioWare's idea of Shepard isn't a gay one.  Maybe no matter if you're playing the canon Shepard or not, he will never be gay because that is part of the third person narration in Mass Effect.  That's the whole idea behind it: your experience is much more streamlined than first person narration.  You play the character that the developers tell you to play, but you make the decisions that they let you make.

My only problem with that is that they let female Shepard be a lesbian first off and second. You get to make ALL the same decisions in Dragon Age that you do in Mass Effect. Origin/sex/race/good/evil/etc. The ONLY thing you can't change in Mass Effect is male Shepard's sexuality? Really...

I'd be totally fine with no same-sex romances in Mass Effect if they didn't go and A. plan, pretty much finish and at the last minute scrap said romance(which means they at least thought it wouldn't be too farfetched for MShep to be gay) and B. try to cover up the fact they included it for females by using the incredibly retarded "Asari aren't females" line.

It's an insult to my intelligence above being bigotted or hateful. I'm not stupid. They messed up and they refuse to admit to their mistakes.

[Jimmy Fury]

Akrim_Drak wrote...
My only problem with that is that they let female Shepard be a lesbian first off and second. You get to make ALL the same decisions in Dragon Age that you do in Mass Effect. Origin/sex/race/good/evil/etc. The ONLY thing you can't change in Mass Effect is male Shepard's sexuality? Really...

I'd be totally fine with no same-sex romances in Mass Effect if they didn't go and A. plan, pretty much finish and at the last minute scrap said romance(which means they at least thought it wouldn't be too farfetched for MShep to be gay) and B. try to cover up the fact they included it for females by using the incredibly retarded "Asari aren't females" line.

It's an insult to my intelligence above being bigotted or hateful. I'm not stupid. They messed up and they refuse to admit to their mistakes.

Not to mention that they did the same plan,work,scrap thing AGAIN when making ME2.
I might buy that it was just a rough idea that they decided against in the early stages of ME1, but not when they went and did it a second time while making ME2. If Shep was predefined he would have been so before they started working on 2.

[ScorpSt]

Juztinb42 wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

Well, if we're playing a non-canon Shepard anyway, why can't we just play him/her however we want?

Mass Effect has been constantly been built up around the notion of Choice. We choose whether Wrex lives or dies; we choose who makes it through Virmire; we choose to sacrifice the council or not and we choose who survives the Suicide Mission. Why can't we choose our Shepard's orientation.

Maybe BioWare's idea of Shepard isn't a gay one.  Maybe no matter if you're playing the canon Shepard or not, he will never be gay because that is part of the third person narration in Mass Effect.  That's the whole idea behind it: your experience is much more streamlined than first person narration.  You play the character that the developers tell you to play, but you make the decisions that they let you make.

See, I just don't buy that. It sounds like the lazy-person's rationalization. You have just as much free reign over Shepard as you do over the Warden. The only real difference between Mass Effect and Dragon Age narration is the fact that ME is fully voiced with the Dialogue Wheel.

[Akrim_Drak]

ScorpSt wrote...

See, I just don't buy that. It sounds like the lazy-person's rationalization. You have just as much free reign over Shepard as you do over the Warden. The only real difference between Mass Effect and Dragon Age narration is the fact that ME is fully voiced with the Dialogue Wheel.

Dialogue wheel = Predetermined

Vertical lines = Open ended!

Clearly that must be it. (yes I know they're the EXACT SAME THING just in a different form, I just like to be a smartass)

Also it has nothing to do with the voice actors if that argument hasn't been quashed already. There's plenty of videos out there of the INGAME dialogue that was recorded but never used. The VAs clearly had no issue with it as I'm sure they wouldn't have anyway.

[BrandNewMan]

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

[Jimmy Fury]

BrandNewMan wrote...

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

wha... how. where. what. when. 

I...
[snaps out of it]
You know what's weird and totally on topic. Someone beat me to the suggestion about a same-sex-romance setting in the options. It's kind of creepy too how we said pretty much the exact same thing lol
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/1046477/1#1046477

[Endurance_117]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

They messed up and they refuse to admit to their mistakes.

cool story bro

Modifié par Endurance_117, 08 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

BrandNewMan wrote...

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

*screams in excitement* yeah... umm thanks for that *desktop*

mwhahaha