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[Unender]

I agree that there should be an option for a gay male Shepard because a lot of players would be drawn into that sort of thing and with out doubt grateful for the option to do so in the first place. if bioware wants to let us customize our characters to how we want... well first off start by adding more creation options and second let us perceive his or her sexuality. wait i take that back just "his" because there is tons of lesbo action in both mass effect games.



Very hypocritical of them, shows that most of the bioware devs are straight males.adding tons of girl on girl but no support for male on male. tsk tsk bioware

[Eternal Dust]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

wha... how. where. what. when. 

I...
[snaps out of it]

Ditto

[Endurance_117]

Unender wrote...

I agree that there should be an option for a gay male Shepard because a lot of players would be drawn into that sort of thing and with out doubt grateful for the option to do so in the first place. if bioware wants to let us customize our characters to how we want... well first off start by adding more creation options and second let us perceive his or her sexuality. wait i take that back just "his" because there is tons of lesbo action in both mass effect games.

Very hypocritical of them, shows that most of the bioware devs are straight males.adding tons of girl on girl but no support for male on male. tsk tsk bioware

tons on lesbo action? 

[LoveAsThouWilt]

octoberfire wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

wha... how. where. what. when. 

I...
[snaps out of it]

Ditto

*continues staring* yeah.. um.. I don't think i'll be able to function in conversation with this picture floating around now. *drool*

[HolyMoogle]

Juztinb42 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

"It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."  "...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews..."

I think those two quotes give you your answer.  PRE-DEFINED is what really sticks out there.  You're playing a character that was born straight, and always will be straight.

Soo basically here's the situation from your perspective: You can choose Shepard's

-Gender
-Apperance
-Race
-Background/Childhood
-Proficiencies
-Morality
-WORDS
-First Name
-Attraction to other species

Essentially, everything but Mshep's sexual orientation. That's the ONE thing Bioware decided would be pre-defined in this pre-defined character? That's a strange thing to be the only thing that's pre-defined.

Alternatively, we were just getting a rather awkward, inaccurate and defensive answer to a very good question that Bioware has apparently not considered properly.

[Eternal Dust]

HolyMoogle wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

"It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."  "...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews..."

I think those two quotes give you your answer.  PRE-DEFINED is what really sticks out there.  You're playing a character that was born straight, and always will be straight.

Soo basically here's the situation from your perspective: You can choose Shepard's

-Gender
-Apperance
-Race
-Background/Childhood
-Proficiencies
-Morality
-WORDS
-First Name
-Attraction to other species

Essentially, everything but Mshep's sexual orientation. That's the ONE thing Bioware decided would be pre-defined in this pre-defined character? That's a strange thing to be the only thing that's pre-defined.

Alternatively, we were just getting a rather awkward, inaccurate and defensive answer to a very good question that Bioware has apparently not considered properly.

I believe that THIRD PERSON NARRATIVE will be the new EMOTIONALLY ENGAGING!

[Jimmy Fury]

My main thing with this whole issue is that it could do so much good for BioWare and the gaming community in general.

Let's face it folks, the "hardcore gamers" are just as stereotyped as gays and lesbians. Where people imagine all gays are swishy effeminate weaklings, they also imagine all gamers are overweight middle aged virgins living in their moms basement.

Progress in the medium could change that. BioWare could lead that charge by making mature, aware, and inclusive games that extend their reach far beyond the "typical gamer" and attract a demographic that has been fairly ignored in the past.

And I don't mean mature as in "more boobs and blood!" I mean mature as in "to be taken seriously for their relevance"

Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". It wasn't until the industry decided to change and target a mature audience that the image started to change. Now those same groundbreaking comics are being turned into hollywood blockbusters (and ruined! sorry) which appeal to an even bigger audience.

[ZehnWaters]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

wha... how. where. what. when. 

I...
[snaps out of it]

Ditto

*continues staring* yeah.. um.. I don't think i'll be able to function in conversation with this picture floating around now. *drool*

It was rather...unexpected...

* * * *

You know, I'm morally opposed to it, but even I'm sorta confused at it's lack of inclusion.  I mean, Female Shepard can be a lesbian but Male Shepard can't be gay?

Also, Mark Vanderloo (male model for default Shep) is straight...

Modifié par ZehnWaters, 08 février 2010 - 06:20 .

[BrandNewMan]

Someone else said essentially this in another thread, but by Bioware's own rules, since they don't consider Liara to be a f/f romance, it technically wouldn't be a m/f romance for male Shepard either, making him omnisexual. If that's the case, then a m/m romance wouldn't break canon.

[Endurance_117]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

[Jimmy Fury]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

whyyyyyyy.....

[Endurance_117]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

whyyyyyyy.....

Because comics did not spend decades being "silly kids stuff"

[KateKane]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

whyyyyyyy.....

Because comics did not spend decades being "silly kids stuff"

I hate to side with Endurance but  you tred on dangerous ground Jimmy.
Best to turn back while you still can.

[ScorpSt]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

whyyyyyyy.....

Because comics did not spend decades being "silly kids stuff"

I think the quotes indicated that the public at large thought it was "silly kids stuff", not that this was what they were.

[Endurance_117]

ScorpSt wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

whyyyyyyy.....

Because comics did not spend decades being "silly kids stuff"

I think the quotes indicated that the public at large thought it was "silly kids stuff", not that this was what they were.

Pretty sure the average comic reader in the 80's were in their 30's

[Jimmy Fury]

Endurance_117 wrote...
Because comics did not spend decades being "silly kids stuff"

Actually, they did. You are aware that comic books have been around since the 30s right? When they started they were literally aimed at children. That was the target (and only) audience for them. Superman, batman, captain america. They were cartoon strips for kids.
Then in the 50s they got neutered by the comics code and forced to use symbolism, usually pretty obscure sybolism, in order to touch on any "mature themes"
It wasn't until the late 70's that they got anywhere near actually talking about anything mature, even then they usually got endless amounts of flack from the CC over it.
Then came the 80's and 90's when publishers started using different imprints to release titles to a mature audience thus allowing them to circumvent and eventually overthrow the CC and put out what they wanted to. This is where we got Watchmen, Sandman, V for Vendetta, and all the other "groundbreaking" mature comics.
Now however, they're not seen as "silly kids stuff" They might not be respected as quality literature to some people (although I have written three papers debating that) but they're a lot more respected than they were in 1940.

And I apologize for getting completely off topic with that rant. But it does go back to what I said about how change within the industry is required to change the public perception of the industry.

Edit: And yes, as Scorp said, the quotes were used to indicate that this was the general public perception. Fans have known the cultural significance of comics since the 60's when the writers got all symbolic in order to avoid the CC.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 08 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[ScorpSt]

Endurance_117 wrote...

ScorpSt wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Look at comics. Comics spent decades being "silly kids stuff". 

how old are you?

whyyyyyyy.....

Because comics did not spend decades being "silly kids stuff"

I think the quotes indicated that the public at large thought it was "silly kids stuff", not that this was what they were.

Pretty sure the average comic reader in the 80's were in their 30's

I don't think any specific time period was specified. Furthermore, I'm making no generalizations about comic book readers in general. What I'm saying is that many (particularly the News and the Ignorant) have and often still do consider Comics to be a "kids thing". I personally never even started reading comics until after High School, now I'm have a rather large collection.

I guess what I'm saying is that, like comics have, it's up to the industry to show that Video Games aren't just for kids. Not just by using the Mature(17+) content warning, but by putting in actual Mature(in the other sense of the word) content. That includes responsibly portrayed same sex relationships/characters.

[Sporothrix]

HolyMoogle wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

"It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."  "...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews..."

I think those two quotes give you your answer.  PRE-DEFINED is what really sticks out there.  You're playing a character that was born straight, and always will be straight.

Soo basically here's the situation from your perspective: You can choose Shepard's

-Gender
-Apperance
-Race
-Background/Childhood
-Proficiencies
-Morality
-WORDS
-First Name
-Attraction to other species

And attraction to same sex IF Shepard is female (strangely, while in ME2 there's no same-sex romance, devs cemented a fact fem Shep could be ****** or bisexual by giving her possibility to fling with other HUMAN female, and at least trying to romance other women, so that 'asari are not females' argument lost all of its meaning).

In KOTOR men characters couldn't romance any men, women had lesbian only Juhani. Quite similar thing as in Mass Effect. Does that mean we had predefined character in KOTOR (and BG)? Or maybe that just mean devs of BG, KOTOR and ME were too afraid of inclusion of m/m romance?

EDIT
Speaking about comics, DC made new character few years ago - Batwoman, which is lesbian. And not lesbian in 'please young boys' way. She has really great and maturely done story.

Modifié par misoretu9, 08 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[FataliTensei]

misoretu9 wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

"It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."  "...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews..."

I think those two quotes give you your answer.  PRE-DEFINED is what really sticks out there.  You're playing a character that was born straight, and always will be straight.

Soo basically here's the situation from your perspective: You can choose Shepard's

-Gender
-Apperance
-Race
-Background/Childhood
-Proficiencies
-Morality
-WORDS
-First Name
-Attraction to other species

And attraction to same sex IF Shepard is female (strangely, while in ME2 there's no same-sex romance, devs cemented a fact fem Shep could be ****** or bisexual by giving her possibility to fling with other HUMAN female, and at least trying to romance other women, so that 'asari are not females' argument lost all of its meaning).

In KOTOR men characters couldn't romance any men, women had lesbian only Juhani. Quite similar thing as in Mass Effect. Does that mean we had predefined character in KOTOR (and BG)? Or maybe that just mean devs of BG, KOTOR and ME were too afraid of inclusion of m/m romance?

EDIT
Speaking about comics, DC made new character few years ago - Batwoman, which is lesbian. And not lesbian in 'please young boys' way. She has really great and maturely done story.

Yeah the whole "asari are mono-genedered sp shepard isn't a lesbian" argument really went down the drain with that fling >_<.

[FataliTensei]

BrandNewMan wrote...

After fighting on Pinnacle Station, Kaidan and Shepard retreat to their new apartment: i50.tinypic.com/2ztf3mg.png

O_O

[colejossart]

Hey not being a troll, but the developer ray muzyka explained why there are no gay relationships in ME versus some VERY gay relationships in DA... links right here



http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

[Sporothrix]

colejossart wrote...

Hey not being a troll, but the developer ray muzyka explained why there are no gay relationships in ME versus some VERY gay relationships in DA... links right here

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

1. People are talking about it here for a quite long time.
2. There are gay relationships in ME, but not for men (just as in KOTOR). That fact shows Bioware hypocrisy.

Modifié par misoretu9, 08 février 2010 - 08:14 .

[ScorpSt]

colejossart wrote...

Hey not being a troll, but the developer ray muzyka explained why there are no gay relationships in ME versus some VERY gay relationships in DA... links right here

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

Not trolling, no, but it has been brought up here before (though this is the first time I've gotten a link to it). There has been much discussion as to a) did he even answer the question, and does that really make any sense in the first place.

[Gwydeon79]

My simple response: Acceptance is key.