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[Sporothrix]

Gwydeon79 wrote...

My simple response: Acceptance is key.

You hear Bioware?

[BrianWilly]

I just wish it wasn't Bioware's current policy to backpeddle on every inclusive, groundbreaking GLBT element that they ever came up with. First with Hudson's ridiculously inaccurate assessment of gender. And now with Muzyka's bewildering non-answer to a valid question.



I suppose that for every step forward like DA, there's gotta be some falling backwards. Times will change. I just assumed that it would have changed already for Bioware, of all companies.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Whats so hard about accepting that he isn't gay? And that you can't make him gay? Just go play DA ffs.

[Traumacrazy]

Kordaris wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Whats so hard about accepting that he isn't gay? And that you can't make him gay? Just go play DA ffs.

Exactly.  I wonder why some people are so unaccepting to a straight character...

they want to stand out

[Deviija]

The difference is the double-standard. If Shepard's pre-determined character is so defined then they should not have included Kelly for FemSheps in ME2. The fact that they did shows that the Shepard character is not defined for anyone but DudeShepard. To write off FemShep/Kelly's lesbian relationship -- and suddenly allowance for FemShep to be lesbian/bisexual in ME2 -- as within the Shepard character and yet say 'it is not within the character' to have a DudeShep/male relationship is a double-standard. And ridiculous.

Modifié par Deviija, 08 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[BrandNewMan]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...



Whats so hard about accepting that he isn't gay? And that you can't make him gay? Just go play DA ffs.

He isn't gay, but he can be omnisexual, so a romance with a dude wouldn't contradict anything.

[Traumacrazy]

Deviija wrote...

The difference is the double-standard. If Shepard's pre-determined character is so defined then they should not have included Kelly for FemSheps in ME2. The fact that they did shows that the Shepard character is not defined for anyone but DudeShepard. To write off FemShep/Kelly's lesbian relationship -- and suddenly allowance for FemShep to be lesbian/bisexual in ME2 -- as within the Shepard character and yet say 'it is not within the character' to have a DudeShep/male relationship is a double-standard. And ridiculous.

this!!!

[Traumacrazy]

BrandNewMan wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Whats so hard about accepting that he isn't gay? And that you can't make him gay? Just go play DA ffs.

He isn't gay, but he can be omnisexual, so a romance with a dude wouldn't contradict anything.

omnisexual?

omnitool sex?

[BrandNewMan]

Traumacrazy wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Whats so hard about accepting that he isn't gay? And that you can't make him gay? Just go play DA ffs.

He isn't gay, but he can be omnisexual, so a romance with a dude wouldn't contradict anything.

omnisexual?

omnitool sex?

If he really wanted to, sure. Omnisexuals aren't picky.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Whats so hard about accepting that he isn't gay? And that you can't make him gay? Just go play DA ffs.

My ME1 MaleShep was gay, he just didn't have a viable love interest. He had to pine after Kaiden Alenko from afar, pretending that the ship-board friendship was all he wanted. *sigh*

All Kyle Shepard wanted was some love and maybe a little sex. That's not too much to ask.

[Arik7]

Deviija wrote...

The difference is the double-standard. If Shepard's pre-determined character is so defined then they should not have included Kelly for FemSheps in ME2. The fact that they did shows that the Shepard character is not defined for anyone but DudeShepard. To write off FemShep/Kelly's lesbian relationship -- and suddenly allowance for FemShep to be lesbian/bisexual in ME2 -- as within the Shepard character and yet say 'it is not within the character' to have a DudeShep/male relationship is a double-standard. And ridiculous.

THIS

Unlike with DAO, the ME games have a promotional Shepard portrayed by Mark Vanderloo - the "iconic" Commander Shepard.  Perhaps BioWare doesn't want see him shown in a same-sex romance interaction under any circumstances.   Apparently,  it is acceptable to hit a woman reporter or to commit genocide, but perhaps it's unacceptable for the "icon" to be gay or bisexual.    If that is the case, it certainly is a slap in the face of gay fans, and it is a good reason to stop purchasing BioWare products.

[VL247]

Arik7 wrote...

Deviija wrote...

The difference is the double-standard. If Shepard's pre-determined character is so defined then they should not have included Kelly for FemSheps in ME2. The fact that they did shows that the Shepard character is not defined for anyone but DudeShepard. To write off FemShep/Kelly's lesbian relationship -- and suddenly allowance for FemShep to be lesbian/bisexual in ME2 -- as within the Shepard character and yet say 'it is not within the character' to have a DudeShep/male relationship is a double-standard. And ridiculous.

THIS

Unlike with DAO, the ME games have a promotional Shepard portrayed by Mark Vanderloo - the "iconic" Commander Shepard.  Perhaps BioWare doesn't want see him shown in a same-sex romance interaction under any circumstances.   Apparently,  it is acceptable to hit a woman reporter or to commit genocide, but perhaps it's unacceptable for the "icon" to be gay or bisexual.    If that is the case, it certainly is a slap in the face of gay fans, and it is a good reason to stop purchasing BioWare products.

The funny thing being that you can find audio dialogs from ME1&2 of MaleShep flirting/trying to romance another male squad-mate. So, each time it was deemed worthy of recording, but not worthy of making it readily available in the final product. Hypocrisy and BS, plain and simple.

[Arik7]

Kordaris wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

 If that is the case, it certainly is a slap in the face of gay fans, and it is a good reason to stop purchasing BioWare products.

I have a question. Why do you limit this to gay fans ? Clearly transgender gamers should boycott the game as well, since Shepard is not a crossdresser nor does he undergo a hormone treatment.
I assume you will advise them to stop buying BioWare products ?

Well first of all, I am not a transgendered person, so I can't possibly speak for them.  Secondly, transgender people can play as the gender they feel like.  

[Wittand25]

Kordaris wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Juztinb42 wrote...
I don't think he needs to follow it with that, because his entire paragraph detailing why there won't be a gay romance in ME3 is enough.

To be honest, no it's not. He never answers the question. He never says there won't be an option. Period.
Talking about the narrative styles has nothing to do with the romance options.
Especially when, as i just said, he isn't even correct when saying DA has more character-customizing options than ME.

Some people can certainly read that into it but don't mistake that for an actual answer. You read it as "no" I read it as "I don't know"

"It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."  "...in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews..."

I think those two quotes give you your answer.  PRE-DEFINED is what really sticks out there.  You're playing a character that was born straight, and always will be straight.

Soo basically here's the situation from your perspective: You can choose Shepard's

-Gender
-Apperance
-Race
-Background/Childhood
-Proficiencies
-Morality
-WORDS
-First Name
-Attraction to other species

Essentially, everything but Mshep's sexual orientation. That's the ONE thing Bioware decided would be pre-defined in this pre-defined character? That's a strange thing to be the only thing that's pre-defined.

Alternatively, we were just getting a rather awkward, inaccurate and defensive answer to a very good question that Bioware has apparently not considered properly.

You can't choose:
-Race(can't play turian, asarit etc)
-Height
-Weight
-Age
-only one background is available(with different specialisations as to what you did in the army)
-you can't choose your political views to be pacifists
-you can't choose to join the reapers
-you can't choose to go on the rampage in citadel
-you can't choose to abandon your mission
-you can't choose to sell the Normandy and party on Illum
-you only get to choose two-three lines of dialogue

So yup Shepard is pretty pre-determined. Certainly more then DA where you had far more background options.

All of the limitations also apply to the gray warden, from Ostagar onwards there is no storytelling difference between DA:0 and ME1, the only differences are gameplay and setting.

[Traumacrazy]

just listen to this ...and relax

[VL247]

Kordaris wrote...

You can't choose:
-Race(can't play turian, asarit etc) but you can choose black/white/asian/etc
-Height
-Weight
-Age
-only one background is available(with different specializations as to what you did in the army)
-you can't choose your political views to be pacifists contradiction/breaks story
-you can't choose to join the reapers breaks story
-you can't choose to go on the rampage in citadel breaks story
-you can't choose to abandon your mission breaks story
-you can't choose to sell the Normandy and party on Illum breaks story
-you only get to choose two-three lines of dialogue

So yup Shepard is pretty pre-determined. Certainly more then DA where you had far more background options.

Certain things are predetermined for good reasons, story/plot coherency, etc. Making the sexuality of MaleShep being one of those predetermined qualities doesn't follow. Especially so when you consider that Liara isn't supposed to technically be female and thus MaleShep is not purely a straight male character then when he chooses to romance "her". Is a male defined as straight if he romances a hermphrodite or a MTF pre/post op transsexual?
Because my male Shep's been romancing Liara due to her ability to be both...

Modifié par VL247, 08 février 2010 - 12:09 .

[Ezohiguma]

System Alliance policy: Don't ask, don't tell.



Problem solved.



That said, the System Alliance navy is a military organisation. I think they have more important things to do than strutting around with a big sign on their head "I'm gay/straight/bi/into aliens". Because, you know, some people don't give a damn about such things.



I don't give a crap about the romances myself. It's not why I play the game for.



I swear, it seems that everything painted "rpg" these days eventually drops into cybering and sex. May it be Goldshire in WoW, may it be any random messageboard based rpg, all that people seem to give a crap about these days is sex.



Sad.



There are more things than that. And better things, too.



BTW... why gay Shep? Why not lesbian Shep, too? No, Liara doesn't really count as "female", not in the human sense.



But honestly. Who cares?

[Traumacrazy]

Ezohiguma wrote...

System Alliance policy: Don't ask, don't tell.

Problem solved.

That said, the System Alliance navy is a military organisation. I think they have more important things to do than strutting around with a big sign on their head "I'm gay/straight/bi/into aliens". Because, you know, some people don't give a damn about such things.

I don't give a crap about the romances myself. It's not why I play the game for.

I swear, it seems that everything painted "rpg" these days eventually drops into cybering and sex. May it be Goldshire in WoW, may it be any random messageboard based rpg, all that people seem to give a crap about these days is sex.

Sad.

There are more things than that. And better things, too.

BTW... why gay Shep? Why not lesbian Shep, too? No, Liara doesn't really count as "female", not in the human sense.

But honestly. Who cares?

[Ezohiguma]

Best solution: drop all romances. Out with them. Who really needs them anyway?



Give me a headshot counter instead. I want to know how many headshots I make during one playthrough.

[VL247]

Seeing as how DADT is being challenged and fought against by even high ranking commanders in the U.S. military now I'd doubt it'd be around so far flung in the future.

[Madame November]

colejossart wrote...

Hey not being a troll, but the developer ray muzyka explained why there are no gay relationships in ME versus some VERY gay relationships in DA... links right here

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1066954p2.html

Again, then why did they voice gay characters and then remove the options before production??? If he was always intended to be a straight character, they never would have bothered.