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[IceSavage]

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.





We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.



The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.



And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.



Thus, no gay shepard.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

Must I reiterate: FEMALE shepard can, thus, your post was a moot point.

[Nautica773]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

Then remove the 'choices' from the game. Remove dialogue options. There is a roleplaying genre where the player does not play the role. This is epitomized in the Final Fantasy series. 

However, that isn't the case with Mass Effect or any of BioWare's games. The onus is placed on player decision making, and the game is designed to allow the player experience a number of different events with the freedom to carve out an unique story.

If Shepard were a 'defined' character, then there shouldn't be a female option. There shouldn't be any morality decisions since Shepard would already have a defined moral code. Forget about backgrounds, those would be decided as well. And, really, class would be assigned too. Finally, it seems odd that with the female option there's a lesbian romance. 

Modifié par Nautica773, 09 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[FataliTensei]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

One of the main selling points is that w get to choose what kind of hero we get  and we get to effect the story as well based on our decisions

[Endurance_117]

Hope is a good thing people.

[Ninja Mage]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

You were ripped apart as quickly as you sew yourself together

[HolyMoogle]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

Yes. That's why, near the beginning of The Philosopher's Stone, you can choose to Renegade Interrupt and slap Ron across the face for eating all your Bertie Bott's Beans on the train and he'll totally hold a grudge for the rest of the storyline. It makes it difficult to get him to loyal status then, and if you fail to, at the point in Deathly Hallows where he thinks Hermione is cheating on him with Harry, he'll totally stab you in the back and you have to kill him

Alternatively, Mass Effect has an interactive story and Harry Potter and James Bond don't. Funny, that.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

If you're arguing that it's BioWare's game and they have the right to not have a gay option, I don't know what to say, except, duh. They have the right to leave out the option, just like anybody unhappy with that choice has the right to not buy it.

If this is more "He's pre-defined" nonsense, then that's rediculous. almost every facet of the story can be altered by the player. Shepard can be a man or a woman, the savior of the galaxy or a glorified mercenary. She could even be a lesbian, or a female bi. A genocidist. A humanist. All in the players hands. Except he can't be a male homosexual.

[IceSavage]

Story with choices doesnt change the fact that it is a story.

I would like to kill Ambassador Udina, but that choice isnt available to me. Should I now say that the rest of the game with its choices is not a story?

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

Modifié par IceSavage, 09 février 2010 - 12:43 .

[Nautica773]

IceSavage wrote...

Story with choices doesnt change the fact that it is a story. 

I would like to kill Ambassador Udina, but that choice isnt available to me. Should I now say that the rest of the game with its choices is not a story?

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

But he isn't defined. The devs give quite a few options to characterize him from the Paragon/Renegade behaviour to the different backgrounds, gender, class...

If you are arguing that BioWare doesn't want to add an option, then you are right that it's their game and they don't have to put that in if they don't want to. 

Modifié par Nautica773, 09 février 2010 - 12:46 .

[Endurance_117]

IceSavage wrote...

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

That's what they said in the Article. People don't want to listen

[DoctorOctagonapus]

IceSavage wrote...

Story with choices doesnt change the fact that it is a story.

I would like to kill Ambassador Udina, but that choice isnt available to me. Should I now say that the rest of the game with its choices is not a story?

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

double

Modifié par DoctorOctagonapus, 09 février 2010 - 12:50 .

[Endurance_117]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Story with choices doesnt change the fact that it is a story.

I would like to kill Ambassador Udina, but that choice isnt available to me. Should I now say that the rest of the game with its choices is not a story?

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

 BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

wat?

[Nautica773]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

[KateKane]

Nautica773 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

Yeah but... it was done.

[DoctorOctagonapus]

Endurance_117 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Story with choices doesnt change the fact that it is a story.

I would like to kill Ambassador Udina, but that choice isnt available to me. Should I now say that the rest of the game with its choices is not a story?

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

 BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

wat?

wat about it? The forums are evident enough, there is a section of the fan base that does not want Shepard to even have the option to be gay. BioWare does not want to upset their audience, so they leave out the option. It's within their right and it makes business sense.

[Ninja Mage]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

The fact that there was dialog in ME1 that could have been used in a gay sequence changes nothing. It is BioWare's vision of the story. They changed their vision later and wanted only a straight hero. Consider how much of a movie is left on the cutting room floor. Having the dialog and using it are two different things all together.

And while that may anger some of you that BioWare's vision isnt broad enough to allow for a gay shepard then that is a problem with them, but regardless Dr Muzyka comments are the vision of Bioware.

Thus, no gay shepard.

If you're arguing that it's BioWare's game and they have the right to not have a gay option, I don't know what to say, except, duh. They have the right to leave out the option, just like anybody unhappy with that choice has the right to not buy it.

If this is more "He's pre-defined" nonsense, then that's rediculous. almost every facet of the story can be altered by the player. Shepard can be a man or a woman, the savior of the galaxy or a glorified mercenary. She could even be a lesbian, or a female bi. A genocidist. A humanist. All in the players hands. Except he can't be a male homosexual.

you win lol mr muzkya  was just revealed as a hypocrit

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Endurance_117 wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

That's what they said in the Article. People don't want to listen

We listened but all they did was SIDESTEP the question.

They did answer the question that was asked, they gave a response that was not an answer. It was a means to avoid facing the question.

[Endurance_117]

KateKane wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

Yeah but... it was done.

Yes but they cut it in the final version

[FataliTensei]

Endurance_117 wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

That's what they said in the Article. People don't want to listen

They never actually said that, they just beat around the bush and don't give a clear answer.

That topic has been long ripped apart as inconclusive.

[Endurance_117]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

That's what they said in the Article. People don't want to listen

We listened but all they did was SIDESTEP the question.

They did answer the question that was asked, they gave a response that was not an answer. It was a means to avoid facing the question.

I don't know about you but the answer was pretty clear to me

[Endurance_117]

FataliTensei wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

That's what they said in the Article. People don't want to listen

They never actually said that, they just beat around the bush and don't give a clear answer.

That topic has been long ripped apart as inconclusive.

Like I said, hope is a good thing

[Creature 1]

IceSavage wrote...

I really don't care if shepard can be gay or not, but it is NOT our story.


We are Role-Players in a Story created by someone else's vision. Harry Potter isn't gay. James Bond isn't gay. True, we don't play either of those characters in a roleplaying video game, but we don't control the story. Overall, the story is still set by the developer. Be it videogame producer or author.

I know a game you will just love!  Progress Quest! 

Modifié par Creature 1, 09 février 2010 - 12:57 .