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[DoctorOctagonapus]

Endurance_117 wrote...

KateKane wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

Yeah but... it was done.

Yes but they cut it in the final version

Nobody is arguing that. We are holding them at fault for doing it. You would probably do the same if they decided to cut all sex from the game.

[Nautica773]

KateKane wrote...
Yeah but... it was done.

Was it? I thought there were just some recorded lines from Mass Effect. Perhaps there were bugs associated with it they couldn't work out in time. We'll never really know, but I have serious doubts that it was from some worry the gaming public wouldn't approve after doing Jade Empire and Dragon Age.

[Jimmy Fury]

My problem with the article was the nonesense about Shep being more defined than Warden.

It's simply, inarguably, verifiably, not true.

Again

Shep: 9 Origin Options + 6 Combat classes = 54 different possible Shepards

Warden: 7 Origin Options + 3 Combat classes = 21 different possible Wardens



Being able to play a specific origins mini-mission does not change the fact that Shep has more options available. It just doesn't. I don't care how you shake it, numbers don't lie.

[Endurance_117]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

KateKane wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

Yeah but... it was done.

Yes but they cut it in the final version

Nobody is arguing that. We are holding them at fault for doing it. You would probably do the same if they decided to cut all sex from the game.

No, I am not that into sex in video games. lol Pixels on Pixels

[KateKane]

Nautica773 wrote...

KateKane wrote...
Yeah but... it was done.

Was it? I thought there were just some recorded lines from Mass Effect. Perhaps there were bugs associated with it they couldn't work out in time. We'll never really know, but I have serious doubts that it was from some worry the gaming public wouldn't approve after doing Jade Empire and Dragon Age.

It was done for the first one at least.
Not so sure about 2, but they at least recorded some dialogue.

[FataliTensei]

Endurance_117 wrote...

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

IceSavage wrote...

Shepard is as defined as the devs want him to be.

That's what they said in the Article. People don't want to listen

We listened but all they did was SIDESTEP the question.

They did answer the question that was asked, they gave a response that was not an answer. It was a means to avoid facing the question.

I don't know about you but the answer was pretty clear to me

How is it clear?  Please explain ,in detail, with quotes.

[IceSavage]

"Defined" is relative.

This isnt a table top D&D game where you could sit down and create a psychopathic dwarf rogue that has to kill anything and everything in sight.

Overall you are still defined as a GOOD GUY, be it doing it as a good cop or as a bad cop. You are STILL a cop.

You cannot go on a killing spree on the citadel because you can't actually kill civilians there. That is PRE-DEFINED. You MUST become a Spectre. You MUST take Tali along on your mission. Joker MUST pilot the Normandy. You MUST cause Jenkin's death.

You MUST save Eden Prime. I didn't see the option where you tell Anderson. "Sorry, too tired for this mission."

Thus, the fact that you are saying we have CHOICE! Not really... only the choice that the developer allows us to have in the confines of THEIR story.

And thus I m sorry, but their story doesnt have a gay shepard. It doesnt have a Homicidal or Lazy or Bipolar or One-Armed Shepard either.

CHOICE is relative.

Modifié par IceSavage, 09 février 2010 - 01:01 .

[Endurance_117]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

My problem with the article was the nonesense about Shep being more defined than Warden.
It's simply, inarguably, verifiably, not true.
Again
Shep: 9 Origin Options + 6 Combat classes = 54 different possible Shepards
Warden: 7 Origin Options + 3 Combat classes = 21 different possible Wardens

Being able to play a specific origins mini-mission does not change the fact that Shep has more options available. It just doesn't. I don't care how you shake it, numbers don't lie.

Yes but where you came from in Dragon Age changed the beginning story drastically, In Mass Effect, it really doesn't even matter.

[Images]

Nautica773 wrote...

KateKane wrote...
Yeah but... it was done.

Was it? I thought there were just some recorded lines from Mass Effect. Perhaps there were bugs associated with it they couldn't work out in time. We'll never really know, but I have serious doubts that it was from some worry the gaming public wouldn't approve after doing Jade Empire and Dragon Age.

Yeah but the point is that we know that for this particular game series, Bioware have had a lot of grief from the Media about anything to do with the sex involved. Is it a coincidence there's a whole other argument going on about why the romance scenes became so very tame? I think we'd all drop it if we just got some honesty from Bioware. Maybe just a mea culpa.

[Nautica773]

KateKane wrote...
It was done for the first one at least.
Not so sure about 2, but they at least recorded some dialogue.

Then I can only assume it had something to do with bugs or even disk space. There's really no other reason for cutting content that is finished. Maybe they hadn't completed the animations or something like that?

IceSavage wrote...
CHOICE is relative.

You can't choose to leave Fereldan in Dragon Age. Obviously there are going to be some choices you can't make. 

Once again, if Shepard is defined so strictly as a heterosexual male, why is there a female option?

Modifié par Nautica773, 09 février 2010 - 01:02 .

[Arik7]

Ninja Mage wrote...

The best things in life are FREEE





Two for one

Very cute pix.

[KateKane]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

My problem with the article was the nonesense about Shep being more defined than Warden.
It's simply, inarguably, verifiably, not true.
Again
Shep: 9 Origin Options + 6 Combat classes = 54 different possible Shepards
Warden: 7 Origin Options + 3 Combat classes = 21 different possible Wardens

Being able to play a specific origins mini-mission does not change the fact that Shep has more options available. It just doesn't. I don't care how you shake it, numbers don't lie.

Yes but where you came from in Dragon Age changed the beginning story drastically, In Mass Effect, it really doesn't even matter.

It changes the first two hours of a sixty hour game.

[Ninja Mage]

I was going to buy mass effect three but after that bold faced lie by Mr. Muzkya I think I'm going to skip it

[Taiko Roshi]

Have any of the gays in this thread taken the time to probe Uranus?

[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

My problem with the article was the nonesense about Shep being more defined than Warden.
It's simply, inarguably, verifiably, not true.
Again
Shep: 9 Origin Options + 6 Combat classes = 54 different possible Shepards
Warden: 7 Origin Options + 3 Combat classes = 21 different possible Wardens

Being able to play a specific origins mini-mission does not change the fact that Shep has more options available. It just doesn't. I don't care how you shake it, numbers don't lie.

Yes but where you came from in Dragon Age changed the beginning story drastically, In Mass Effect, it really doesn't even matter.

Changed the begiinning drastically? How so? I remember a certain warden recruiter recruiting me now matter how bloody hard I tried not to be recruited. <_< Bloody Duncan.

6 different settings vs 1 setting

[biddypocket]

KateKane wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

KateKane wrote...
Yeah but... it was done.

Was it? I thought there were just some recorded lines from Mass Effect. Perhaps there were bugs associated with it they couldn't work out in time. We'll never really know, but I have serious doubts that it was from some worry the gaming public wouldn't approve after doing Jade Empire and Dragon Age.

It was done for the first one at least.
Not so sure about 2, but they at least recorded some dialogue.

Apparently, if you use the mod from the first game, the romance with Kaiden continues into the second and that scene with kaiden and femshep is the same only with maleshep. It's pretty cute...and heart wrenching, all at the same time .... Kaiedy.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Nautica773 wrote...

KateKane wrote...
Yeah but... it was done.

Was it? I thought there were just some recorded lines from Mass Effect. Perhaps there were bugs associated with it they couldn't work out in time. We'll never really know, but I have serious doubts that it was from some worry the gaming public wouldn't approve after doing Jade Empire and Dragon Age.

The videos with original voice actors are available to WATCH.

They don't look unfinished except for the very end. At least the one.

The one leading up to the romance (when the Normandy is grounded) is perfect. ANd they STILL made a scene for the continuation of the romance ine ME2 even KNOWING that it had not been added in ME1. What they are waiting for I don't have a clue.

[Endurance_117]

KateKane wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

My problem with the article was the nonesense about Shep being more defined than Warden.
It's simply, inarguably, verifiably, not true.
Again
Shep: 9 Origin Options + 6 Combat classes = 54 different possible Shepards
Warden: 7 Origin Options + 3 Combat classes = 21 different possible Wardens

Being able to play a specific origins mini-mission does not change the fact that Shep has more options available. It just doesn't. I don't care how you shake it, numbers don't lie.

Yes but where you came from in Dragon Age changed the beginning story drastically, In Mass Effect, it really doesn't even matter.

It changes the first two hours of a sixty hour game.

Dragon Age took me 30 hours to complete everything, time is relative

[DoctorOctagonapus]

Endurance_117 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

KateKane wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

Yeah but... it was done.

Yes but they cut it in the final version

Nobody is arguing that. We are holding them at fault for doing it. You would probably do the same if they decided to cut all sex from the game.

No, I am not that into sex in video games. lol Pixels on Pixels

Now you're just dancing around the argument. This applies to any gameplay mechanic. dialog options. combat. upgrades. The point is, a potential feature was left out, and some people are unhappy about it.

[Endurance_117]

Damn this Edit / Quote

Modifié par Endurance_117, 09 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[Taiko Roshi]

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

KateKane wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

DoctorOctagonapus wrote...
Nobody is arguing that. BioWare can make it impossible for him to not be gay. It's all about which possibillities
 they include. When Shepard has the abillity to be a lesbian, but not a homosexual, what does that tell you about the company that produces the game? BioWare is simply pandering to thier general audience, and it's frustrating that they're being dishonest about it.

Granted, I don't blame them for leaving out that option. They are a developer first not a group of civil rights activist, and developers have the obligation to make money. I blame the general audience for putting them in that position.

To be fair to BioWare, they have a history of including different options. I doubt it was because of pandering to an audience and more a development timetable thing. Inevitably, something always gets cut from games. It seems the male-male romance was that thing for Mass Effect.

Yeah but... it was done.

Yes but they cut it in the final version

Nobody is arguing that. We are holding them at fault for doing it. You would probably do the same if they decided to cut all sex from the game.

Not at all. In fact I think it would greatly improve the game is romance was totally taken out for ME 3.

[Taiko Roshi]

Have any of the gays in this thread taken the time to probe Uranus?

[Jimmy Fury]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

My problem with the article was the nonesense about Shep being more defined than Warden.
It's simply, inarguably, verifiably, not true.
Again
Shep: 9 Origin Options + 6 Combat classes = 54 different possible Shepards
Warden: 7 Origin Options + 3 Combat classes = 21 different possible Wardens

Being able to play a specific origins mini-mission does not change the fact that Shep has more options available. It just doesn't. I don't care how you shake it, numbers don't lie.

Yes but where you came from in Dragon Age changed the beginning story drastically, In Mass Effect, it really doesn't even matter.

No it changed one mission. The same way Spacer, EarthBorn, and Colonist gives you a side mission in ME1.
It's exactly the same narrative and exactly the same progression. Shep will Always be an alliance soldier the same way Warden will always be a warden.
There is absolutely no difference, at all, about what you can control in the two games except for a few incidental facial features. That is simply not enough to claim one character is absolutely defined and another is a wide open spectrum of possibilities. it's not.

And, as for the cut content, any defense that it proves Shep was "made straight" loses all validity due to the simple fact that it was done again for ME2.
They played with it a second time meaning Shep's sexuality was still up in the air during ME2' development.
This is not predefined. period.