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[Borschtbeet]

The science and logic in Mass Effect is so rich and well written that it is impossible to take derivative crap like Star Trek and Star Wars seriously anymore.  Mass Effect just flat out blows them away.

That is not to say Mass Effect is the best sci fi story ever told, but compared to mainstream sci fi franchises, it clearly comes out on top.

The only "space opera" I can think of that is on the same level as Mass Effect is the Lensman series by Edward E. Smith.  

In fact, I think Mr.Karpyshyn has probably read these books since I can notice several sources of inspiration.

One great thing about Mass Effect is that even though it is rich in science and meticulous detail, it doesn't come at the expense of the characters.  Indeed, Mass Effect is a sci fi story with a heart that touches you emotionally as well as intellectually.

All you people who don't like Mass Effect 2, drop dead!

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 02 février 2010 - 01:13 .

[Evil Johnny 666]

Star Wars is overrated anyway. Both KoTOR and KoTOR II have better stories than the movies, seriously, they are so cliché and more fantasy in the future than anything else.

[Borschtbeet]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Don't worry, give Mass Effect 30 years and it will be just as tired and derivative as any other series.

No, I don't think so.  Good ideas never go bad.  The Lensman series I mentioned was written in the 1940's and is still way better than most sci fi today.

[StayPuftGiant]

I totally agree with you. Mass Effect is profoundly written and has an extremely deep story, now I just gotta play ME2 and ME3.

[Borschtbeet]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Star Wars is overrated anyway. Both KoTOR and KoTOR II have better stories than the movies, seriously, they are so cliché and more fantasy in the future than anything else.

Yeah I agree.  KOTOR shat all over anything George Lucas made.

Really, I think the only thing amazing about Star Wars is that the special effects(from the original trilogy) were very very good for their time.

That is about it.

[amrose2]

The ME universe is definitely one of the strongest right now IMO. At times while playing I wonder how the games would be as a movie. Then I remember all movies based on video games blow

[Jarys]

Honorverse.

GTFO! 

[darth_lopez]

Star Wars was Grand and until recently was only at a slow decline...after the clone wars series now airing it's a moderately fast decline i think. It is Still Pretty awesome. Lets not forget If not for Star Wars special effects as we know them would've been delayed another 10 years or so and we wouldn't have ME the way we have ME today.



The older material is just as important as the newer



While ME is awesome I wouldn't say it makes star wars seem too primative. and yes in 40 years from now are kids will either be saying "look at what dad used to play god so lame why not run with Executioner Overlord ten pffft this stuff is so lame. this stuff is so basic and unfinished"



we know it will happen so let's just live in the moment and not attack the classics cause this will be one eventually

[Evil Johnny 666]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Star Wars is overrated anyway. Both KoTOR and KoTOR II have better stories than the movies, seriously, they are so cliché and more fantasy in the future than anything else.

That's why it's a Space Opera, twit.

"Space opera is a subgenre of speculative fiction or science fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing powerful (and sometimes quite fanciful) technologies and abilities." Wikipedia

Science fiction, Mass Effect is a space opera, but considering Star Wars to be real science fiction wouldn't be very accurate. It is considered science fiction to those who don't know about science fiction.

[DoctorPringles]

Nonsense. Pong still has kickass graphics.



On a serious note, I can't think of many universes that actually include as much detail and "science" as Mass Effect. It's quite amazing, albeit most of it's just made up, or theorized.

[Evil Johnny 666]

darth_lopez wrote...

 and yes in 40 years from now are kids will either be saying "look at what dad used to play god so lame why not run with Executioner Overlord ten pffft this stuff is so lame. this stuff is so basic and unfinished"

Wut? It never hapened to me, I still play Chrono Trigger or Halo and find them as fun as ever... It's just the graphics...

And just watch Alien, Aliens or Blade Runner for example, they are still good as ever because they were that good in the first place, something some big movies fail so that's why time seems to be unkind to them; they aren't that good.

[Borschtbeet]

I think one of the things that makes Mass Effect so much more appealing that Star Wars is that it takes place in our universe. Not in a galaxy far far away, but in our galaxy. I look at the events in Mass Effect and I can picture a semblance of such things eventually happening.

Star Wars relies too heavily on nonsensical psychobabble with vague religious undertones that often don't make much sense.

Anakin Skywalker was an immaculate conception? Mitochlorians? What a bunch of crap!

Mass Effect develops it's storyline based on scientific probabilities and doesn't stretch the truth so far that it becomes plain silly.



Even the abundance of humanoid aliens is explain in Mass Effect through convergent evolution. This always used to bother me in sci-fi stories how so many aliens resembled humans. Mass Effect has got to be the only one which has ever even attempted to explain why.

[newcomplex]

In terms of actual hard sci fi, mass effect fails hardcore, compared to stuff like Hyperion Cantos and Dune.



But as a piece of Space Opera, its relatively well written.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Yeah, Star Wars is pretty much on the fence.It just lacks the science department, something Mass Effect explains in length particularly in the codex.

[DoctorPringles]

Borschtbeet wrote...

I think one of the things that makes Mass Effect so much more appealing that Star Wars is that it takes place in our universe. Not in a galaxy far far away, but in our galaxy. I look at the events in Mass Effect and I can picture a semblance of such things eventually happening.
Star Wars relies too heavily on nonsensical psychobabble with vague religious undertones that often don't make much sense.
Anakin Skywalker was an immaculate conception? Mitochlorians? What a bunch of crap!
Mass Effect develops it's storyline based on scientific probabilities and doesn't stretch the truth so far that it becomes plain silly.

Even the abundance of humanoid aliens is explain in Mass Effect through convergent evolution. This always used to bother me in sci-fi stories how so many aliens resembled humans. Mass Effect has got to be the only one which has ever even attempted to explain why.

Then again, since Star Wars is so distanced from our galaxy and our world, it could be said that it makes perfect sense if science itself worked differently. After all, we have no idea what happens even outside our own solar system. But, like others have said, I'd consider Star Wars fantasy, rather than science fiction.

[Evil Johnny 666]

newcomplex wrote...

In terms of actual hard sci fi, mass effect fails hardcore, compared to stuff like Hyperion Cantos and Dune.

But as a piece of Space Opera, its relatively well written.

Well, there's no hardcore space opera. You can't mix explaining in detail everything and the sub-genre's definition.

[BonsaiTreee]

newcomplex wrote...

In terms of actual hard sci fi, mass effect fails hardcore, compared to stuff like Hyperion Cantos and Dune.

But as a piece of Space Opera, its relatively well written.

Dune was a great book. So was Ender's Game. I am halfway through the Ender saga with Children of the Mind. I need to read more Frank Herbert too.

[BonsaiTreee]

name some more good sci fi reads if it suits you anyone.

[newcomplex]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

In terms of actual hard sci fi, mass effect fails hardcore, compared to stuff like Hyperion Cantos and Dune.

But as a piece of Space Opera, its relatively well written.

Well, there's no hardcore space opera. You can't mix explaining in detail everything and the sub-genre's definition.

I said "Hard Science fiction".   As in if you judge ME by those standards of writing, its bad.   But if you judge it by a space operas standard of writing, its O.K/good.   

If you judge it by actual literatures standard of writing, its really bad.  

Modifié par newcomplex, 02 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[Agent_Dark_]

DoctorPringles wrote...

On a serious note, I can't think of many universes that actually include as much detail and "science" as Mass Effect. It's quite amazing, albeit most of it's just made up, or theorized.

EvE Online

[newcomplex]

Just a random fact, ME's overarching plotline is heavily derrived from Gateway by Frederick Pohl.