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[magicalpoop]

Ok please, I realize I might get flammed or errors pointed out, I rushed through the game in 30 hours and as much I tried to keep everything in my head  - I just couldn't stop playing and I pretty much beat it in 3 sesssiosn of 10 hours. So if I get something obviously wrong...please do tell .
(I beat it as a maxed out paragon with all crew survival, did all the side missions, etc. Read up on most of the dialogue. Watched the renagade endings/possibilities on youtube)


Ok so I loaded up my 2nd play to try renagade....then it just struck me.


Why would the Collectors/Harbinger want to kill Shepard?
The Illusive Man's coincidental and luck in sending you into collector traps?
Why did Wilson want to kill Shepard in the Cerberus lab?
Why does the beginning of the game open with Miranda/ Illusive Man speaking about you , and T.I.M. says
"Well see to it that he doesn't" in response to Miranda's fear if he falls, humanity may follow.



Ok here goes my theory. The Illusive Man had his sights on the Collector base the whole time - and possibly set you up and normandy SR-1 for a meeting with the collectors.

Collectors never wanted to kill you in the first encounter
Why would the Collectors want to kill you and the Normandy SR-1 if Harbinger makes it clear to retrieve Shepards body alive if possible? Not to mention, the FINISHING blow was sent LONG after the initial rush of escape pods went off. This is a freaking collector ship, I'm sure they could've shot at the bridge and more or less 1 hit KO you and your crew upon spotting you. A deal with TIM? Or a tip off from TIM? Who Knows.


Collector Base and TIM's preparations to capture it
Whyelse do you conviently have a pulse bomb to kill all biological forms but keep the base intact?
Not to mention, he had a science crew/team boarding the "Dead reaper" for the Reaper IFF long ago. The Reaper IFF was ALREADY in Cerberus hands (On the Desk) when you arrived, the crew then went to go become Husks. Explanation? More Mind control from the reaper? Possibly...but then why would the reaper allow the husks to leave the IFF chip intact..??

It is seen in the renagade sequence , almost immediately, half a dozen or so Cerberus research vessels gain entry into local space around the collector base. How else can you explain this? The Reaper IFF must have been duplicated by Edi and sent to Cerberus control. The only way to the core of the Milky way is that omega 4 relay.
A fleet of research vessels are seen when you finish it as a renagade choice. Explaination?

EDI - Can you really trust it?
Why else install an AI ? When nobody else in the galaxy uses AI.
Like I said before, EDI is the only explanation on how the fleet of research ships can pass through the Omega 4 relay shortly after you finish the suicide mission. Also obviously TIM's only "Sure fire link" between him and you/the normandy.

Before "finalizing" the IFF installation....
EDI coincidentally knows to send off the essential crew on a shuttle to go have a picnic..

When you do embark for using the IFF for the first time  - why is that you ring off your location?
This time, Collectors comes to abduct all your non essential crew. It doesn't even bother to attack your ship. Why? Its noted that the collectors need "Millions" to finish the Human-Reaper-Hybrid. What would 50...100..1000 crew (I exaggerate) honestly do? The time/effort? This is a species being mind controlled by Harbinger, a reaper.
A machine. Efficiency anyone? If they seriously wanted to come and get Shepard that badly, why not a shot to the engines or whatever?

Joker? Obviously instructed to tell Joker to go through the maintance shafts. EDI has full vision of the ship, can easily narrow Joker's survival rate to 99%. Also more or less get Joker to give EDI control and gain the trust of Joker/Crew.

It's a Reaper chip...from eons ago... as TIM's own words "This reaper was probably here when the first mammals took their first steps on Earth" Yeah so what, "emits white radiation" . Tons of planets/sons emit radiation. Not to mention that collector ship came in almost instantly.


Well I can't figure it all out myself - and I think we can all agree that the Illusive Man is more than he appears.
And what is up with the robot retinas? Is he not human? He says he works for humanity..but come on..he's clearly a private sector sort of sleezy "Works behind the shadows" person. I expect more explanations in ME3, betrayal, choice, and a lot of killing....

Modifié par magicalpoop, 02 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[ChaoticBroth]

All right. I can answer your question about the IFF. Imagine you were the owner of a massive server, and you had the IP locations of everyone there, and it's remained constant for the past 10 years (and you have the convenient resources to track down any new addition). You also are aware that there's a group of hackers on your tail. When all of a sudden, a new entry appears with a foreign address, two and two click in. It gives the Collectors your location. It was said by EDI that the location of your ship was being transmitted.

[raven2510]

here's the real question...

What was Legion doing at the Drive Core when we were getting attacked? They specifically show him, and him only....that seems kinda fishy to me.

[magicalpoop]

ChaoticBroth wrote...

All right. I can answer your question about the IFF. Imagine you were the owner of a massive server, and you had the IP locations of everyone there, and it's remained constant for the past 10 years (and you have the convenient resources to track down any new addition). You also are aware that there's a group of hackers on your tail. When all of a sudden, a new entry appears with a foreign address, two and two click in. It gives the Collectors your location. It was said by EDI that the location of your ship was being transmitted.

Ok true enough. But aren't the reapers "Asleep" except for a vanguard who alerts the main horde to go rush the Citadel, etc?
Maybe they were awake, or Harbinger was aware..but very good point.

But then yes...what about Legion? He just randomly stops his hunt for Shepard and coincidentally shows up at the core to help you out and then go "offline" for you to pick him up?

[raven2510]

no...when you go through the omega-4 relay...he's standing right in front of the drive core. it shows a scene of him...its the only other scene without shep in it....it's something important for ME3...I know it.

[Keltoris]

When you go through the relay, the squad is standing in various spots around the ship. If you don't fully upgrade, various parts get blown to hell and you lose those members.



My question: Why/how the hell did Harbinger wake up?



And if it was awake the whole time, why didn't Soverign consult with it?

[Okami_Stormson]

I think somehow, the TIM is indoctrinated, and doesn't realize it. Or possibly worse. The whole thing about the Reapers set up to kill civilization is they let the civilizations develop on their pre-existing tech and thus sets them up for culling. When the initial reaper attack fails in ME1, he swoops brings you back as part machine, and then sends you to scavenge an existing reaper, and then sends you to retrieve a collector base.



Heck, Im almost convinced he's a renegade reaper.

[magicalpoop]

Keltoris wrote...

When you go through the relay, the squad is standing in various spots around the ship. If you don't fully upgrade, various parts get blown to hell and you lose those members.

My question: Why/how the hell did Harbinger wake up?

And if it was awake the whole time, why didn't Soverign consult with it?

I think when Sovereign got critically injured, it probably sent a distress signal to the reaper horde or whomever?

I guess Harbinger is the next in line to haul ass, but at the end, it shows all the reapers slowly floating towards the milky way..I guess they were awakened a long time ago (probably as soon as Sovereign got owned) and manually going to come destroy us.

[raven2510]

who's to say that shep is not a partial reaper. they used "cutting-edge tech" to bring him back. his scars look somewhat like seren's at the end of ME1. I'm betting that the reapers are now interested in shep because he is one of the first organics to integrate their tech...and it hasn't destroyed him.

[magicalpoop]

thats true too..hopefully you can choose to side with the reapers and destroy the galaxy. I'm pretty much sick of being a paragon+the council+everyone.

[Digital Supremacy]

Would be interesting to see if a Reaper can take control of Shepard since Shepard has all that Cybernetic tech in him to bring him back to life. Slap an Arnold face on him when your full renegade and you have a perfect terminator.

Modifié par Digital Supremacy, 02 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[anubus1019]

After reading some of these I got thinking, harbinger is active, why? He also is making his own human reaper, by himself, minus collector slaves, why not us the while fleet and get more faster? Plus, why humans? Last, why didn't it assist soverign?

I think harbinger is a rouge reaper, idk how or why but I think he is. Also, collectors are actually mutated (dont remember name) what if they made harbinger and mutated themselves to survive, and Shepard was just suppose to become the human/reaper personality because he beat soveriegn.

And I know, its really far fetched.

[Gill Kaiser]

raven2510 wrote...

here's the real question...
What was Legion doing at the Drive Core when we were getting attacked? They specifically show him, and him only....that seems kinda fishy to me.

That's the scene that would have shown the drive core blowing up and Legion dying if you hadn't upgraded the shields. Normally Tali shows up in that scene; it only shows Legion if you took Tali to fight the Oculus.

[scxenophobe]

magicalpoop wrote...

Collector Base and TIM's preparations to capture it
Whyelse do you conviently have a pulse bomb to kill all biological forms but keep the base intact?
Not to mention, he had a science crew/team boarding the "Dead reaper" for the Reaper IFF long ago. The Reaper IFF was ALREADY in Cerberus hands (On the Desk) when you arrived, the crew then went to go become Husks. Explanation? More Mind control from the reaper? Possibly...but then why would the reaper allow the husks to leave the IFF chip intact..??

It is seen in the renagade sequence , almost immediately, half a dozen or so Cerberus research vessels gain entry into local space around the collector base. How else can you explain this? The Reaper IFF must have been duplicated by Edi and sent to Cerberus control. The only way to the core of the Milky way is that omega 4 relay.
A fleet of research vessels are seen when you finish it as a renagade choice. Explaination?

Indeed, that or it was just some sick joke on TIM's part. Cerberus secretly has hundreds of Reaper IFF's and all of Mass Effect 2 was really just a practical joke on his part.

[Gill Kaiser]

I think it's pretty obvious that TIM wanted the Collector Base all along. However, that doesn't mean he did any of the conspiracy theory stuff you mentioned.

[sodacatkun]

he wants reaper tech, blueprints for geth, he wants to build his own and take the galaxy himself