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Posté 02 février 2010 - 02:09
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This was posted over at swooping_is_bad on LJ, but I haven't seen it here yet.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 02:58
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Mistersunshine wrote...
I hope he's Fiona's son.
That would be so ridiculously awesome! One Maric bastard an ex-templar, the other an apostate.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 03:00
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But if he is, that drops my opinion of Maric quite a bit. I just can't see him sleeping around twice. I see it as a possibility, but I'll only consider it the slightest of possibilities for now.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 08:21
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I dunno, Maric certainly wasn't perfect. And he was in an essentially loveless marriage for the sake of duty, knowing full well that his wife actually loved Loghain instead of him. Being king of a newly rebuilt nation would be stressful, too. I could see him having a few moments of weakness and succumbing to the temptation of other women on occasion. Not that I'm endorsing that behavior as perfectly okay, just that I could see it as a possibility for Maric, given his situation.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 08:35
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Sandtigress wrote...
But if he is, that drops my opinion of Maric quite a bit. I just can't see him sleeping around twice. I see it as a possibility, but I'll only consider it the slightest of possibilities for now.
I haven't read the books, and I'm sure there's more to Maric than how he deals with family, but in that regard, my opinion of him isn't very high. He certainly didn't do much to ensure Alistair's well being. If he was as feckless about taking responsibility in other areas....
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 08:38
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Maric!
He's a complicated man...
...no one understands him but his...
...wait, she doesn't either. Never mind.
He's a complicated man...
...no one understands him but his...
...wait, she doesn't either. Never mind.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:11
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*****Warning, some book spoilers, so read the following at your own risk!*******
I don't think Maric's marriage was loveless at all. He and Rowan grew to care for each other greatly, and even before they were married, he was wiling to at least offer to break things off with Katriel for Rowan's sake because he cared for her as a friend and future political spouse, if not as a beloved wife at that point. And Rowan's death absolutely shattered him for several years, so its obvious he cared deeply for her. Plus, I think he was very aware how much his relationship with Katriel had hurt Rowan and thus would not have willingly done it again. I could maybe see a drunken escapade, maybe, but even then, I just don't see it as likely.
If we take it as given that Alistair was Fiona's son...Maric seemed quite willing to try and raise the boy as his acknowledged son, idealist that he was. It was Fiona who made it clear that she wanted her son to have nothing to do with court or to even know his mother was elven, and it was she who requested he be raised away from Maric's legacy completely.
I rather think Maric was probably put in a hard position - he didn't want his son to grow up not knowing his parents cared about him but at the same time wanted to honor Fiona's wishes that he have a fresh start without either of his parents' legacies. I imagine that he thought he was doing the best he could when he gave the boy to Eamon to raise, and its possible that he had no idea what kind of life Alistair actually had with Eamon.
Alistair only mentions meeting Cailan once, when Maric and Cailan went to visit Eamon, and who knows if Eamon didn't pretty up the visit for Maric's benefit. He was supposed to be raised away from the court entirely, and I get the feeling from Fiona's wishes that he wasn't even supposed to know that he was Maric's son at all. That part was probably Eamon's doing.
The one part that doesn't fit into my little idea is Alistair's being sent to the Chantry. I can hardly see Maric approving of that move if he cared about the welfare of his son, but its possible that Eamon never told him, or that he was told that the boy wanted to go. Or that his hands were tied over the matter and all he could do was fume over it (heh actually, maybe that's the reason that he was so up in arms over Eamon taking an Orlesian wife, because Maric didn't seem as unreasonable as Loghain about the Orlesians).
In any case, I think Alistair's rescue from the templars right before taking his final vows and sealing himself into that life forever by Duncan is a little too convenient if Alistair just happened to be an unknown bastard child of Maric's. Duncan promised Maric to keep an eye out for his son, to look in on him and make sure he was okay, and I think that's what he was doing when he just happened to recruit the young templar who wasn't even allowed to originally fight in the tournament that he eventually lost. He was there purposefully, I like to think.
lol So all my pretty thoughts will be just ruined if it turns out that Anders is indeed Maric and Fiona's son, so it can't be!!!
Mistersunshine wrote...
I dunno, Maric certainly wasn't perfect. And he was in an essentially loveless marriage for the sake of duty, knowing full well that his wife actually loved Loghain instead of him. Being king of a newly rebuilt nation would be stressful, too. I could see him having a few moments of weakness and succumbing to the temptation of other women on occasion. Not that I'm endorsing that behavior as perfectly okay, just that I could see it as a possibility for Maric, given his situation.
I don't think Maric's marriage was loveless at all. He and Rowan grew to care for each other greatly, and even before they were married, he was wiling to at least offer to break things off with Katriel for Rowan's sake because he cared for her as a friend and future political spouse, if not as a beloved wife at that point. And Rowan's death absolutely shattered him for several years, so its obvious he cared deeply for her. Plus, I think he was very aware how much his relationship with Katriel had hurt Rowan and thus would not have willingly done it again. I could maybe see a drunken escapade, maybe, but even then, I just don't see it as likely.
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I haven't read the books, and I'm sure there's more to Maric than how
he deals with family, but in that regard, my opinion of him isn't very
high. He certainly didn't do much to ensure Alistair's well being. If
he was as feckless about taking responsibility in other areas....
If we take it as given that Alistair was Fiona's son...Maric seemed quite willing to try and raise the boy as his acknowledged son, idealist that he was. It was Fiona who made it clear that she wanted her son to have nothing to do with court or to even know his mother was elven, and it was she who requested he be raised away from Maric's legacy completely.
I rather think Maric was probably put in a hard position - he didn't want his son to grow up not knowing his parents cared about him but at the same time wanted to honor Fiona's wishes that he have a fresh start without either of his parents' legacies. I imagine that he thought he was doing the best he could when he gave the boy to Eamon to raise, and its possible that he had no idea what kind of life Alistair actually had with Eamon.
Alistair only mentions meeting Cailan once, when Maric and Cailan went to visit Eamon, and who knows if Eamon didn't pretty up the visit for Maric's benefit. He was supposed to be raised away from the court entirely, and I get the feeling from Fiona's wishes that he wasn't even supposed to know that he was Maric's son at all. That part was probably Eamon's doing.
The one part that doesn't fit into my little idea is Alistair's being sent to the Chantry. I can hardly see Maric approving of that move if he cared about the welfare of his son, but its possible that Eamon never told him, or that he was told that the boy wanted to go. Or that his hands were tied over the matter and all he could do was fume over it (heh actually, maybe that's the reason that he was so up in arms over Eamon taking an Orlesian wife, because Maric didn't seem as unreasonable as Loghain about the Orlesians).
In any case, I think Alistair's rescue from the templars right before taking his final vows and sealing himself into that life forever by Duncan is a little too convenient if Alistair just happened to be an unknown bastard child of Maric's. Duncan promised Maric to keep an eye out for his son, to look in on him and make sure he was okay, and I think that's what he was doing when he just happened to recruit the young templar who wasn't even allowed to originally fight in the tournament that he eventually lost. He was there purposefully, I like to think.
lol So all my pretty thoughts will be just ruined if it turns out that Anders is indeed Maric and Fiona's son, so it can't be!!!
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:45
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A lot of people seem to think that Alistair can''t be Fiona's son because of the timeline. I don't know about that, but I think he can't be Fiona's son because of Goldana. That makes it pretty hard to see how the fact of Alistair's mother being a servant could be a lie.
Alistair wasn't so much given to Eamon to raise, as not handed to Goldana as an infant and kicked out of the castle. Personally, I expect that the reason Goldana was given a coin and kicked out was that she tried her young hand at a bit of blackmail. I'm sure she was a charming a child as she is a woman.
Alistair wasn't so much given to Eamon to raise, as not handed to Goldana as an infant and kicked out of the castle. Personally, I expect that the reason Goldana was given a coin and kicked out was that she tried her young hand at a bit of blackmail. I'm sure she was a charming a child as she is a woman.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:47
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Goldanna could have been lied to, too.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:48
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QFTArryngow wrote...
Wynne's son, IMHO
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:49
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Arryngow wrote...
Wynne's son, IMHO
Now, this, I would LOVE.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:49
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Arryngow wrote...
Wynne's son, IMHO
Oh Lord, poor Wynne....
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 05:51
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errant_knight wrote...
A lot of people seem to think that Alistair can''t be Fiona's son because of the timeline. I don't know about that, but I think he can't be Fiona's son because of Goldana. That makes it pretty hard to see how the fact of Alistair's mother being a servant could be a lie.
Alistair wasn't so much given to Eamon to raise, as not handed to Goldana as an infant and kicked out of the castle. Personally, I expect that the reason Goldana was given a coin and kicked out was that she tried her young hand at a bit of blackmail. I'm sure she was a charming a child as she is a woman.
We don't actually know that Goldanna is Alistair's sister though - we know that he thinks Goldanna is his sister and that he found that out himself after asking around post his becoming a Warden. It would have been easy enough for them to give him a servant woman's name as his mother, and then for him to find out that said servant woman had a daughter who he then assumes is his half-sister.
lol I wouldn't be surprised about her trying some blackmail though. Harpy!
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 07:09
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The mage with attitude rocks... Is that Steve Valentine's voice again?
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 07:16
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It would be quite awkward if you killed Wynne in Origins and he ends up being her son. 
I didn't kill her so I'm ok with it.
I didn't kill her so I'm ok with it.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 07:22
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Sandtigress wrote...
errant_knight wrote...
A lot of people seem to think that Alistair can''t be Fiona's son because of the timeline. I don't know about that, but I think he can't be Fiona's son because of Goldana. That makes it pretty hard to see how the fact of Alistair's mother being a servant could be a lie.
Alistair wasn't so much given to Eamon to raise, as not handed to Goldana as an infant and kicked out of the castle. Personally, I expect that the reason Goldana was given a coin and kicked out was that she tried her young hand at a bit of blackmail. I'm sure she was a charming a child as she is a woman.
We don't actually know that Goldanna is Alistair's sister though - we know that he thinks Goldanna is his sister and that he found that out himself after asking around post his becoming a Warden. It would have been easy enough for them to give him a servant woman's name as his mother, and then for him to find out that said servant woman had a daughter who he then assumes is his half-sister.
lol I wouldn't be surprised about her trying some blackmail though. Harpy!
If we allow ourselves to consider that Maric may have had relations with both Fiona *and* Goldanna's mother, regardless of which happened to be Alistair's father (I haven't read the books), it seems entirely reasonable that Goldanna's mother may have died in childbirth and that the child was stillborn or died shortly after (she does say she was told the baby died - that wasn't necessarily a lie). Eamon may have known about this and when Alistair asked about his mother Eamon gave him the name of the servant girl (possibly not knowing about Goldanna), since the woman was dead and *had* had an affair with Maric, it would be impossible for Alistair to verify this and any information he could glean would have incliend him to trust Eamon's words. And if he was young enough he could always have been lied to about his exact age. Does it ever actually state how old Alistair is?
I doubt Anders is Wynne's son, since her child was taken by the Chantry and Anders wasn't taken to the tower until he was in his adolescence. But hey its possible. I mean he could have been smuggled out or anything.
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Posté 02 février 2010 - 07:44
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Oooh, I like him already. Especially that "I didn't do it" line. He's the sorta guy that you want to hang with when you want some Templar Jerky for dinner.
