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To sum this up.

People who are Pro Tali Romance: Not everyone likes Tali in that light that obvious and really I back it I fully back no Canon romances it kill the control of the player forging there own story and in any new game there probably not going to go into detail in a Distant future/past who Shepard bagged.

People Pro Removal of Tali: Really your no better then the Tali lovers your demanding that they remove control of the story from people who enjoy her character case you just don't happen to like her it very simple if you don't like her kill her off and enjoy YOUR story don't go ****ing up other people story just case you have issues.

Modifié par VettoRyouzou, 02 février 2010 - 03:10 .


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Captain Uccisore wrote...

... there is no such thing as canon other than the laws of physics and Blasto the Hanar Spectre.


All hail Blasto!  They should have a hanar spectre in the next game as an Easter Egg! Him and Refund guy always crack me up.

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danien.grey wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

... there is no such thing as canon other than the laws of physics and Blasto the Hanar Spectre.


All hail Blasto!  They should have a hanar spectre in the next game as an Easter Egg! Him and Refund guy always crack me up.


This. Smartest post in this thread.

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77boy84 wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

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There should not be a "canon" love interest. We make our own canon! My canon had Tali jump on Shep like a Thresher Maw after fresh meat, but still.


I would dissagree,

KoTOR cannon is obviously bastilla. Weather that was BW or LA idk probably LA 

but logically after soo many concessions on both sides emotions for eachother have to spring up eventually. and From the perspective of brand new non-ME 2 or ME 1 players Tali (and Chakwas(thank you person who pointed out but i doubt she's interested in shepard that way)) has been there the longest for Male Shep Garrus and Joker for Fem shep.

Eventually someone is going to hit critical mass with their emotions and right when it looks like you're going to die tends to be a frequent. It seems Logical to create a Canon Romance for Male shep as Tali and Garrus as Femshep

Consider they are the onnly 2 characters who cinsistently suspend whatever they were doing prior to finding shepard in both to join and assist. and Both in ME 2 make Reference to missing shepard a great deal.


KOTOR wasn't designed to be a trilogy straight from the start. And while KOTOR gave you freedom to make important decisions, the big draw wasn't "You make your own decision! You decide what happens in the next games!" ME2 was designed not to be that heavy on ME1 for people that didn't play ME1. You are supposed to be able to pick up ME2 without having stuff like Kirrahe popping in and saying "Hey, remember that time we beat Saren on virmire!", and it's great that they are trying to make a series both for fans from the first game, and fans just getting in.


Alas i find fault in this, right off the bat the reapers are mentioned consistently the reapers are a threat in ME 2 and for unknown reasons by anyone who has not played ME 1.  You Can Not Pick up ME 2 with out playing ME 1 and Be on the same page as any ME 1 player. It's probably very confusing.Even the intro scene is reliant on ME 1   up until Freedoms progress and that's being lenient.

common queastions associated with this.
why are you hunting geth? why are you being attacked why are you so important? what is a specter? what is cerberus? how have I run into them before? What are Reapers? Who is Udina and Who is Anderson? Who is ashley and who is kaiden? who is saren who is sovereign? what are geth? what's the citadel? what's the Normandy why is it so suprising another ship can find normandy? who is tali? what's a quarian?

WIth out the experience of ME 1 the Game lacks critical information to make any form of sense right off the bat.

Making canon romances just screws over everyone picking the game up late, and ties them down needlessly. Imagine if canon shepard had a relationship with Ashley, or Liara? Then they couldn't get a relationship without getting a penalty just because they didn't play ME1 first.

And honestly, just because YOU like Tali doesn't mean she should become the canon relationship. So everyone that liked Jack/Miranda better don't get a say in what's canon or not? The people that don't want a romance at all don't get a say?


for those of us who do not like this and have played ME 2 i believe we have somethign called imports? and either way this doesn't effect me i think it'd be better for the story line.

i believe i gave logical reasons associated with this idea did i not? or do you find the concept of risking life and limb next to someone time and time again not emotionally binding to some degree at least? If this doesn't make logical sense please inform me because i've seen no fault in this logic.

again eventually something has to give.

I said it earlier in this thread, and I'll say it again. Tali should stay in the game as fan service, and not be a huge role in the game, because a character going from a boring side character to the main character's wife just because her fans wont shut up about it is ridiculous.


at what point did i say that? i said canon relationship not marriage XD

if you want to end the relationship fine be my guest. and she(tali) does horrible fan service i've seen much better coming from miranda and liara thank you. Heck fem shep makes pretty good fanservice as it is does she not?

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VettoRyouzou wrote...

To sum this up.

People who are Pro Tali Romance: Not everyone likes Tali in that light that obvious and really I back it I fully back no Canon romances it kill the control of the player forging there own story and in any new game there probably not going to go into detail in a Distant future/past who Shepard bagged.

People Pro Removal of Tali: Really your no better then the Tali lovers your demanding that they remove control of the story from people who enjoy her character case you just don't happen to like her it very simple if you don't like her kill her off and enjoy YOUR story don't go ****ing up other people story just case you have issues.


Not wanting Tali to be canon romance is NOT the same as wanting Tali to be a canon romance.
I don't even know where you got that from. People who don't want Tali to be the canon romance don't want people to romance her at all, they just don't want her to be the canon romance.

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danien.grey wrote...

Captain Uccisore wrote...

... there is no such thing as canon other than the laws of physics and Blasto the Hanar Spectre.


All hail Blasto!  They should have a hanar spectre in the next game as an Easter Egg! Him and Refund guy always crack me up.

Isn't getting into the club guy the new refund guy?

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Out of Curiosity how does this Effect ME 2 players exactly when we have our Own cannon?(primarily if they don't want it, this is kind of  why are we talking about this in the first place situation, but honestly who here plans on playing ME 3 default? '~' i'd be dissapointed if any ME 2 players said aye.) i'm suggesting it set in ME 2 not from ME 1 @.@ was that part missed?

and would it not be a nice thing that's fairly irrelevant to the overall story and completely changeable further into the game to have a beginner ME romance? i mean common sheps 31 at least if he can't land a chick by now in the future not much hope for the man alien or other wise.

I'd also like to point out canon shep is male. this was confirmed a while ago so Canon does exist in ME Like it or not.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 02 février 2010 - 03:25 .


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77boy84 wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

To sum this up.

People who are Pro Tali Romance: Not everyone likes Tali in that light that obvious and really I back it I fully back no Canon romances it kill the control of the player forging there own story and in any new game there probably not going to go into detail in a Distant future/past who Shepard bagged.

People Pro Removal of Tali: Really your no better then the Tali lovers your demanding that they remove control of the story from people who enjoy her character case you just don't happen to like her it very simple if you don't like her kill her off and enjoy YOUR story don't go ****ing up other people story just case you have issues.


Not wanting Tali to be canon romance is NOT the same as wanting Tali to be a canon romance.
I don't even know where you got that from. People who don't want Tali to be the canon romance don't want people to romance her at all, they just don't want her to be the canon romance.


I understand that point but some have hinted for her removal case they don't like her ((Or well her fandom more then anything)).

And as I said I fully back NO canon romances let it be the players choice in me3 if you play default. And in future games they just don't simply mention who shep bagged I mean Really outside of Liara most would probably be dead from old age if it set a good 100 years after the fact.

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While i really like Tali, this goes too far.

Why force her on everyone?

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No. As much as I love Tali's character, loved the entire romance subplot, her romance should NOT BE CANON. ME has let it's players choose, I don't see why merely because one of the characters is extremely well-written and popular it should go above the other well-written characters. It's senseless to force Tali on others, just as it would be senseless to force Liara on us Tali fans.

Modifié par Commisar_V, 02 février 2010 - 08:37 .


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There is no canon Shepard

The default Shepard for ME3 will have no ME1 or ME2 LI

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I can understand Canon choices for big things like Council dieing and the such but, romance Canon*especially with this many romance characters* is a no no because everyone has different tastes.



I really like Tali but my roommate preferred Liara. Just doesn't work to give us a Canon romance. *we can live with Canon major decisions for some reason though but a thing to be a little more selective during mission start up would be nice*

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DarthCaine wrote...

There is no canon Shepard
The default Shepard for ME3 will have no ME1 or ME2 LI


actually Canon Shepard is a man. At least if i remember correctly it's the only thing BW has released as Canon or so i've heard.


Why force her on everyone?


not exactly forcing her the option to leave the relationship would obviously be present, they could even set it up the way that you can, if using default shepard, make ashley a romance option on horizon.

And really this is just forcing the Newbies starting in Number 3 with a default shepard to be with Tali if only temporarily or possibly giving them a dialogue option that decides it. Not as bad as not haveing the ability to import wich all ME 2 players  can

Modifié par darth_lopez, 04 février 2010 - 10:47 .


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"Cannon romance" sounds like "shotgun wedding".



If we take the default Shepard as canon, then he won't have any romance. He seems to be the holder of the Most Boring Hero Ever award.

- Your Neutralness, it's a beige alert.

- If I don't survive, tell my wife... "hello"

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flem1 wrote...

90% of Tali fans are youths who've never had sex with an actual woman in their lives.

The other 10% are scary.



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I don't think there should be a Romance Canon at all. Mostly because it causes too many issues in the long run, such as every woman who ever played as a possible LI would be fighting for Shepard... It'd make the Reaper invasion look like a bunch of teenagers egging a house on Halloween!



Also, because the LI is just a side story to add some interesting conversations.



And FYI, there is a ME Canon. Though overall we decide the path of Shepard in the game, the Canon has been set up in the books, comics, and in the game. Though mind you only major events will be mentioned, and side quests will often be credited to "Alliance soldiers" such as in the expansion of Bringing the Sky Down.



But I'll state again, LI should NEVER be put in as official Canon, simply because you'll always have those who disagree with who the character gets with, and because it adds lots of issues further down the road.

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I am a Tali fan and I do not approve of this topic. BioWare games are about choice, not forcing one's personal preference on others.

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Female Shep scratches her head & stares at "canon"

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DarthCaine wrote...

There is no canon Shepard


a common misconception. the mass effect novel ascension has the council dead, establishing that as the 'canon' choice shepard makes, meaning there is a canon shep, all that is exactly canon just hasn't been established yet. 

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Isn't Liara the cannon romance?

Modifié par NICKjnp, 04 février 2010 - 11:16 .


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MerchantGOL wrote...

flem1 wrote...

90% of Tali fans are youths who've never had sex with an actual woman in their lives.

The other 10% are scary.


so its less nerdy to slober over miranda who is quite literal suposed to be what every sterotypical nerd  wants in woman


Miranda is the type of woman who scares sterotypical nerds and makes them release small amounts of body waste in their Star Wars underpants in fear everytime she speaks. She is too threatening.Tali on the other hand is perfect for them, she is a very safe and her entire being is coved. She also talks A LOT of bollocks, in the first game you recieved codexs for all the species and the members of your party discussed it briefly if at all but not Tali. No sir. You not only recieved codexs for the quarians but Tali also had to tell you what the codexs said about quarians. I swear she had more dialouge than anyone else in the game beside Shepard but most of her dialouge was telling you things about the quarians that the codex tells you as well. The only thing that Tali makes me feel is drowsy.  

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darth_lopez wrote...

Edit:Failed at stating a reason accidentally hit enter

Anywho it was the best of the romances i've seen thus far and she's been with Shep since Day one why not Put her as Sheps number 1 for deafault ME 3 character?

Her Romance was fairly cute and not overly dramatic or anything.


Gah, for us who felt that Tali was the 'little sister' character of ME, I'd hope not. Miranda all the way. Biotics, tech, femme fatale vibe, sexy accent, squad bonuses, and teh b00beez. Just like Leliana. :D

Modifié par JaegerBane, 04 février 2010 - 11:33 .


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SarEnyaDor wrote...

No - quit trying to force your chicken-feet fetish on the rest of us!!

How do you get chicken feet? First off, their legs are jointed backwords from humands (and quarians). Second, chickens have 4 toes, three on the ground, and one on the upper back ankle, Quarians have 2 by the looks of their boots.

The only way they really look differant then a human, is a deeper recurve to their shins, and the lack of three extra toes. So how exactly do you get "Chicken feet" from that?

Edited to add, I don't think forcing a romance on any pnew character is a good idea. The game is about player choice, let them chose in ME3 who their LI is.

Modifié par WarmachineX0, 04 février 2010 - 11:57 .


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darth_lopez wrote...

Edit: Failed period.

Anywho it was the best of the romances i've (YOU'VE seen, so speak for yourself) seen thus far and she's been with Shep since Day one why not Put her as Sheps number 1 for deafault ME 3 character? (so has Liara and the rest, so your idea fails the moment you thought about it)

Her Romance was fairly cute and not overly dramatic or anything. (says you)


Your post is full of error

I made some corrections and pointed out some things you forgot to think about ^

back to the old drawing board for you.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 04 février 2010 - 11:40 .


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There's no such thing as a canon romance. If there was one, however, I suppose it would be Liara.