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[kiyyto]

Azoreo wrote...

Yeah, this thread doesn't make sense. ME1 is way buggy, and pretty much just a bad game minus the story. Combat was horrific. ME2 is a BLAST, done well. It has some bugs, but they're not omni-present, and they're easily avoided.

Lol... "ME1 is way buggy, and pretty much just a bad game minus the story. Combat was horrific. ME2 is a BLAST, done well."

I'm not surprised you feel that way considering that ME2 is pretty much ME minus everything but the combat and a story.

Modifié par kiyyto, 08 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[MajFauxPas]

kiyyto wrote...
I think we all agree that BioWare has made great games and we all agree that ME2 has some great aspects to it, most notably the story, but isn’t it obvious that the cause of the problems here is a game that has simply been forced to market before it was done?

Before it was done to BioWare’s previous level of standard and design?

Does this reflect poorly on the EA BioWare merger, from the gamers point of view?

Wow, I felt that same way all along, but doubt I could say it without foaming at the mouth, so... thanks
This game needs months more of testing and patching. Let's home the ball isn't dropped, because an eternally unfinished ME2 would be a damn shame.

[Jaysonie]

This thread makes me happy that the forum users here dont even come close to accurately portraying what the average gamer thinks of Mass Effect 2.

[kiyyto]

Grilled Trout wrote...

Kiyyto, you are the only one in this thread who started insulting other players who didn't agree with you. I am actually very surprised that you didn't get a warning or a ban. Maybe nobody has reported your postings in this thread. I will gladly report them to the mods, for the sake of more friendly and mature discussion.

Okay, so you think the game is rushed. Fine, the game is rushed then. Happy? What do you want now? A refund? Obviously that isn't gonna happen. If you hate this game so much, why are you posting every 2-3 minutes replying to every single post, putting so much time and effort into a game that you apparently hate so much?

I miss a lot of things that were taken out, like the inventory management and planetary exploration. But I can clearly see that such things were taken out and the changes were made because the developers chose to do so. Now I may agree or disagree with the changes, as everyone else is entitled to, but I cannot agree with all this EA conspiracy theory or game being rushed out the door. If anything, this game seems a lot more polished than the first game.

I think you should report them if you desire to.
Also, I didn't respond to anyone in any way different than they posted.
I don't mind telling you that I am not much concerned about your threats and if you continue to threaten me then I'll likely treat you the same way.

This is just the way that I prefer to reply to people in the thread, in individual replies versus one huge reply. I usually reply in blocks since I don't live on the forum and many replies and conversations have happened since I was last here. Is that a problem for you?
I'm sorry.

What exactly have you said by this statement "I miss a lot of things that were taken out, like the inventory management and planetary exploration. But I can clearly see that such things were taken out and the changes were made because the developers chose to do so." - This is nothing. Please elucidate; you've only stated the obvious.

Yes, of course, we don't know that EA is responsible, but we can surmise that they (EA) might have something to do with the negative changes since many a game has come to the hands of EA and been diluted to the point of alienating the original audience.

In your reply, which I'd love to hear, please try to stay away from personal feelings about me and instead hit the nail on the head. Why, exactly, do you feel that the game is just fine the way it is?

[kiyyto]

Jaysonie wrote...

This thread makes me happy that the forum users here dont even come close to accurately portraying what the average gamer thinks of Mass Effect 2.

You are almost certainly correct.

[kiyyto]

MajFauxPas wrote...

kiyyto wrote...
I think we all agree that BioWare has made great games and we all agree that ME2 has some great aspects to it, most notably the story, but isn’t it obvious that the cause of the problems here is a game that has simply been forced to market before it was done?

Before it was done to BioWare’s previous level of standard and design?

Does this reflect poorly on the EA BioWare merger, from the gamers point of view?

Wow, I felt that same way all along, but doubt I could say it without foaming at the mouth, so... thanks
This game needs months more of testing and patching. Let's home the ball isn't dropped, because an eternally unfinished ME2 would be a damn shame.

Lol, you are probably over the age of 15 and therefore an underrepresented minority of the ME2 audience. This is not age discrimination, it is the general state of video game development.

I shouldn't jab at the younger audience because I don't think they are dumb; I'm sorry. More likely it has to do with finances than age groups.

[Deluge82]

ME2 is a good game, ME1 was a good game. Are there elements that in ME2 seem overly watered down? in my opinion yes, but that isn't necessarily rushed, it could and most likely is, a design direction the dev's took to slim down some repetitive, or overly fluffed aspects of ME1.



There are bugs, Getting stuck in the air, and the sound cutting out, are two I've found but their not game braking. Ideally they would not be there, but as was said before, not sure where i read it, "We'd love to get a game out 100% perfect but because of meeting Council developer certifications for release, if we catch a bug late in the QA testing we'd have to go back through the certification process and miss the release by a month or more. So some minor bugs slip through, and we hope fans understand"



As for missing content, I don't think it was axed, so much as the dev's tried to streamline it, admittedly ME1 had too many armor, weapon, and talent choices, most being fluff, but ME2 does also lack in that department, at least where armor is concerned it seems there is no upgrades just "side" grades. In the end to some the game was overly streamlined, others say it's fine. I think balancing this aspect has to be the hardest part of a developer's job, how to improve on a previous game, without overly watering down, or overly fluffing those aspects that needed worked on. So I take it as a work in progress, and hope the next game finds a better balance between the two extremes.

[hex23]

kiyyto wrote...

You don't have any right to assault my integrity.
I am being honest in every post and reply. If I change my mind then I've honestly changed my mind.
I am comparing ME to ME2 and in that light this game, honestly, feels rushed.

I've already stated in an earlier reply that we cannot know the developers intention with this game unless they tell us, but to question my integrity is another matter altogether.

By what logic does this game feel more rushed that part 1? Explain it to me, because "ME1" is easily one of the buggiest most glitch ridden games on the 360, and it's only slightly better on PC. This is such as well known fact virtually every review makes note of it. For "ME2", not so much. Their only mention of bugs or glitches is usually prefaced by "but it doesn't affect the game much".

So what are you talking about? Be specific, and use facts. Don't mention stuff like "things that were cut" because you have zero proof of that. Explain the logic behind saying "ME2" was rushed when "ME1" is easily the far less polished, buggier game.

[kiyyto]

Deluge82 wrote...

ME2 is a good game, ME1 was a good game. Are there elements that in ME2 seem overly watered down? in my opinion yes, but that isn't necessarily rushed, it could and most likely is, a design direction the dev's took to slim down some repetitive, or overly fluffed aspects of ME1.

There are bugs, Getting stuck in the air, and the sound cutting out, are two I've found but their not game braking. Ideally they would not be there, but as was said before, not sure where i read it, "We'd love to get a game out 100% perfect but because of meeting Council developer certifications for release, if we catch a bug late in the QA testing we'd have to go back through the certification process and miss the release by a month or more. So some minor bugs slip through, and we hope fans understand"

As for missing content, I don't think it was axed, so much as the dev's tried to streamline it, admittedly ME1 had too many armor, weapon, and talent choices, most being fluff, but ME2 does also lack in that department, at least where armor is concerned it seems there is no upgrades just "side" grades. In the end to some the game was overly streamlined, others say it's fine. I think balancing this aspect has to be the hardest part of a developer's job, how to improve on a previous game, without overly watering down, or overly fluffing those aspects that needed worked on. So I take it as a work in progress, and hope the next game finds a better balance between the two extremes.

Fair enough.
I think ME2 is an alright game. I am disappointed primarily because I expected a better ME, not a low calorie ME.
Either way, I think that ME is a good enough game to warrant a week's rental, but it isn't a collectors item.

I agree with your estimation of a developers hardest job, hopefully that is what happened here and not a rush job. I guess we'll see with ME3, or the next BioWare game.

[kiyyto]

Deluge82 wrote...

ME2 is a good game, ME1 was a good game. Are there elements that in ME2 seem overly watered down? in my opinion yes, but that isn't necessarily rushed, it could and most likely is, a design direction the dev's took to slim down some repetitive, or overly fluffed aspects of ME1.

There are bugs, Getting stuck in the air, and the sound cutting out, are two I've found but their not game braking. Ideally they would not be there, but as was said before, not sure where i read it, "We'd love to get a game out 100% perfect but because of meeting Council developer certifications for release, if we catch a bug late in the QA testing we'd have to go back through the certification process and miss the release by a month or more. So some minor bugs slip through, and we hope fans understand"

As for missing content, I don't think it was axed, so much as the dev's tried to streamline it, admittedly ME1 had too many armor, weapon, and talent choices, most being fluff, but ME2 does also lack in that department, at least where armor is concerned it seems there is no upgrades just "side" grades. In the end to some the game was overly streamlined, others say it's fine. I think balancing this aspect has to be the hardest part of a developer's job, how to improve on a previous game, without overly watering down, or overly fluffing those aspects that needed worked on. So I take it as a work in progress, and hope the next game finds a better balance between the two extremes.

Fair enough.
I think ME2 is an alright game. I am disappointed primarily because I expected a better ME, not a low calorie ME.
Either way, I think that ME is a good enough game to warrant a week's rental, but it isn't a collectors item.

I agree with your estimation of a developers hardest job, hopefully that is what happened here and not a rush job. I guess we'll see with ME3, or the next BioWare game.

[hex23]

kiyyto wrote...

Lol, you are probably over the age of 15 and therefore an underrepresented minority of the ME2 audience. This is not age discrimination, it is the general state of video game development.

I shouldn't jab at the younger audience because I don't think they are dumb; I'm sorry. More likely it has to do with finances than age groups.

Huh? Over the age of 15....hell over the age of 18....is Mass Effect's core audience. I'd even go older honestly. I'm 33 and the game obviously isn't geared towards younger people. No offense but I have no idea how you could possibly think over 15 year olds are the "minority" for this game. It's nonsense.

Modifié par hex23, 08 février 2010 - 04:27 .

[Grilled Trout]

kiyyto wrote...

I think you should report them if you desire to.
Also, I didn't respond to anyone in any way different than they posted.
I don't mind telling you that I am not much concerned about your threats and if you continue to threaten me then I'll likely treat you the same way.

This is just the way that I prefer to reply to people in the thread, in individual replies versus one huge reply. I usually reply in blocks since I don't live on the forum and many replies and conversations have happened since I was last here. Is that a problem for you?
I'm sorry.

What exactly have you said by this statement "I miss a lot of things that were taken out, like the inventory management and planetary exploration. But I can clearly see that such things were taken out and the changes were made because the developers chose to do so." - This is nothing. Please elucidate; you've only stated the obvious.

Yes, of course, we don't know that EA is responsible, but we can surmise that they (EA) might have something to do with the negative changes since many a game has come to the hands of EA and been diluted to the point of alienating the original audience.

In your reply, which I'd love to hear, please try to stay away from personal feelings about me and instead hit the nail on the head. Why, exactly, do you feel that the game is just fine the way it is?

I am not making any threats.  I am just simply making an observation and stating what I see and feel from reading your posts from page 1.  I hardly care what you say or do in the forums, but I do prefer to have forums that are filled with friendly and logical statements and ideas being exchanged and debated.

I only mentioned the fact that you are replying to almost every single thread, because you seem to hate this game so much to the point of making a direct accusation to EA and Bioware, purely based on your own biased preference of how this game should have been.  The problem is that such bias only pertains to you, but not everyone who plays this game.  You may like or dislike certain things, and others may beg to differ.  So where do you come up with a conclusion that this game is rushed out the door?  Any other tangible arguments you can throw at us instead of saying "I don't like the way this game is made, therefore it feels unfinished and rushed"

As for the statement of mine that you are confused about... I don't understand why you are having trouble comprehending what I said.  I said that I miss things that were taken out in ME2, but I can understand that the omission was derived from design choices and not caused by some EA consipiracy or the product being rushed out the door.  To me, this game feels very polished and has clear sense of direction as to what it wants to be as a video game.  It is up to the players to decide for themselves whether or not to embrace that or not.

And one last thing, I never once stated that I feel the game is fine the way it is.  I am just not agreeing with your main argument which is clearly stated in the topic of this very thread.  As a matter of fact, a lot of things that you appreciated more in ME1 that were taken out in ME2... I also feel the same as you.  I just don't agree with you that these changes happened due to the game being rushed out or EA conspiring to ruin Mass Effect as a franchise.

[kiyyto]

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

You don't have any right to assault my integrity.
I am being honest in every post and reply. If I change my mind then I've honestly changed my mind.
I am comparing ME to ME2 and in that light this game, honestly, feels rushed.

I've already stated in an earlier reply that we cannot know the developers intention with this game unless they tell us, but to question my integrity is another matter altogether.

By what logic does this game feel more rushed that part 1? Explain it to me, because "ME1" is easily one of the buggiest most glitch ridden games on the 360, and it's only slightly better on PC. This is such as well known fact virtually every review makes note of it. For "ME2", not so much. Their only mention of bugs or glitches is usually prefaced by "but it doesn't affect the game much".

So what are you talking about? Be specific, and use facts. Don't mention stuff like "things that were cut" because you have zero proof of that. Explain the logic behind saying "ME2" was rushed when "ME1" is easily the far less polished, buggier game.

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

Modifié par kiyyto, 08 février 2010 - 04:35 .

[lukandroll]

kiyyto wrote...

DoctorPringles wrote...

I believe this way they gain more followers. Modern gamers are desiring faster-paced games, with easier game handling. EA and Bioware merely assimilated their game to the new consumer base. I still greatly enjoyed the game, and it was well worth the money I paid for it.

Sure, fans of Bioware's older games may be angry, but EA's huge sales of this game simply proves they did right.

You sound like an EA representative. No kidding, you really do.
Making money doesn’t mean you did right. It means you made money.
A previous poster commented on other hit games and their respective studios that were revered in their time before EA. Look at it.

ME2 sales are more complex than simply - “EA did right. Look at the sales. Everyone is happy.”
This games sales are riding on the previous games reputation, as well as it being an Xbox exclusive (no ps3 game competition), and they released the game in a quiet corner of January, nothing else is happening in video games at the moment.

It looks quite calculated, that they knew that they could get away with pushing it out at this time, given its following.

You know what's worse..... people actually liked the game, they are buying it...

So what's the deal people, you want more stupid linear shooters from bioware?? or the good old  rpgs??
Make up your minds

[TopUSGun]

 EA ruins video game franchises, they are worse than activision!

[kiyyto]

Grilled Trout wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

I think you should report them if you desire to.
Also, I didn't respond to anyone in any way different than they posted.
I don't mind telling you that I am not much concerned about your threats and if you continue to threaten me then I'll likely treat you the same way.

This is just the way that I prefer to reply to people in the thread, in individual replies versus one huge reply. I usually reply in blocks since I don't live on the forum and many replies and conversations have happened since I was last here. Is that a problem for you?
I'm sorry.

What exactly have you said by this statement "I miss a lot of things that were taken out, like the inventory management and planetary exploration. But I can clearly see that such things were taken out and the changes were made because the developers chose to do so." - This is nothing. Please elucidate; you've only stated the obvious.

Yes, of course, we don't know that EA is responsible, but we can surmise that they (EA) might have something to do with the negative changes since many a game has come to the hands of EA and been diluted to the point of alienating the original audience.

In your reply, which I'd love to hear, please try to stay away from personal feelings about me and instead hit the nail on the head. Why, exactly, do you feel that the game is just fine the way it is?

I am not making any threats.  I am just simply making an observation and stating what I see and feel from reading your posts from page 1.  I hardly care what you say or do in the forums, but I do prefer to have forums that are filled with friendly and logical statements and ideas being exchanged and debated.

I only mentioned the fact that you are replying to almost every single thread, because you seem to hate this game so much to the point of making a direct accusation to EA and Bioware, purely based on your own biased preference of how this game should have been.  The problem is that such bias only pertains to you, but not everyone who plays this game.  You may like or dislike certain things, and others may beg to differ.  So where do you come up with a conclusion that this game is rushed out the door?  Any other tangible arguments you can throw at us instead of saying "I don't like the way this game is made, therefore it feels unfinished and rushed"

As for the statement of mine that you are confused about... I don't understand why you are having trouble comprehending what I said.  I said that I miss things that were taken out in ME2, but I can understand that the omission was derived from design choices and not caused by some EA consipiracy or the product being rushed out the door.  To me, this game feels very polished and has clear sense of direction as to what it wants to be as a video game.  It is up to the players to decide for themselves whether or not to embrace that or not.

And one last thing, I never once stated that I feel the game is fine the way it is.  I am just not agreeing with your main argument which is clearly stated in the topic of this very thread.  As a matter of fact, a lot of things that you appreciated more in ME1 that were taken out in ME2... I also feel the same as you.  I just don't agree with you that these changes happened due to the game being rushed out or EA conspiring to ruin Mass Effect as a franchise.

Did I write that I was confused?
I don't believe so.
Writing that you haven't said anything is not the same as being confused. I don't want to say that you have a tendency, but twice you've simply written the most obvious facts and passed them as ideas. Telling me that BioWare made the game they wanted, or that I have a bias unique to myself is hardly news. 

I'm trying to ignore whatever you write about me as it is not interesting.
Let's not attack each other if we can avoid it.
I don't want to go back and forth because you seem like you genuinely have a point to make.

Do you like the game as it is or don't you?
I've said that I don't think Mass Effect 2 is a bad game, that it is enjoyable at times, but that it is not a good sequel. In comparison to Mass Effect I find Mass Effect 2 lacking in substance. I understand that you'd like to see a detailed list of everything I am missing from ME, but I can't do that right now. There are some things in prior pages of this thread that should provide some substance to my argument until I can write an elaborate breakdown.

[kiyyto]

lukandroll wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

DoctorPringles wrote...

I believe this way they gain more followers. Modern gamers are desiring faster-paced games, with easier game handling. EA and Bioware merely assimilated their game to the new consumer base. I still greatly enjoyed the game, and it was well worth the money I paid for it.

Sure, fans of Bioware's older games may be angry, but EA's huge sales of this game simply proves they did right.

You sound like an EA representative. No kidding, you really do.
Making money doesn’t mean you did right. It means you made money.
A previous poster commented on other hit games and their respective studios that were revered in their time before EA. Look at it.

ME2 sales are more complex than simply - “EA did right. Look at the sales. Everyone is happy.”
This games sales are riding on the previous games reputation, as well as it being an Xbox exclusive (no ps3 game competition), and they released the game in a quiet corner of January, nothing else is happening in video games at the moment.

It looks quite calculated, that they knew that they could get away with pushing it out at this time, given its following.

You know what's worse..... people actually liked the game, they are buying it...

So what's the deal people, you want more stupid linear shooters from bioware?? or the good old  rpgs??
Make up your minds

I don't know.
I think that more people bought the game expecting a sequel in line with the original. I really hope that is the case.

[hex23]

kiyyto wrote...

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

You haven't even finished the game but you're sitting here posting all day about how the game is rushed?

Wow.

Moving on, my opinion is what I already said. I've played "ME2" for 60+ hours, beat it 2-3 times, and I don't see how anybody in their right mind could say the two are comparable when it comes to polish. In hindsight I'd say "ME1" was rushed, if I had to pick one.

I didn't say anything about graphics. I'm talking about how well the game is coded. Stuff like FPS, bugs, texture pop in, things of that nature. Things that can be looked at factually....not "oh, I think they cut out content to meet a release date".

You're saying you think the game was rushed but not offering any proof of it. Offer proof. I'm saying it doesn't seem rushed, and offering my own assessment of 60+ hours and multiple play throughs as proof. You don't even have one play through to speak on. Stop posting in this thread, complete the game, and come back with an educated opinion.

[kiyyto]

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

Lol, you are probably over the age of 15 and therefore an underrepresented minority of the ME2 audience. This is not age discrimination, it is the general state of video game development.

I shouldn't jab at the younger audience because I don't think they are dumb; I'm sorry. More likely it has to do with finances than age groups.

Huh? Over the age of 15....hell over the age of 18....is Mass Effect's core audience. I'd even go older honestly. I'm 33 and the game obviously isn't geared towards younger people. No offense but I have no idea how you could possibly think over 15 year olds are the "minority" for this game. It's nonsense.

Well, I don't think that it is nonsense, but I'm certainly not basing my statement on any fact if that is what you mean.
The game is point and click, little more than follow the story and shoot. After every mission you go to the same little area of the ship and push a button. Presto, you have a new gun. Presto, you have a new armor. Merchandise in this game feels like a vending machine. I feel like I am standing in front of a virtual vending machine getting ten bottle of water. To get the money for the virtual merchandise vending machine I have to go to work, scanning planets. After work I come home to the ship and press a button. Presto, new research.

The entire game is wash, rinse, and repeat just like that.
Oh look, a new ally. Let's do something nice for every single ally so they can all get a change of clothes... not like we are trying to save the galaxy or anything. Is this better than picking up armor of a dead Krogan for my Krogan ally? (not to me)

These are but two examples and this is what I mean by EA. This type of gameplay, where it is so repetitive it hurts is a hallmark of an EA franchise. - edit, I posted incorrect info, removed.

I sort of assume that is what the younger generation wants, but I also already recognized that is an unfair assertion.

Thanks.

Modifié par kiyyto, 08 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[kiyyto]

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

You haven't even finished the game but you're sitting here posting all day about how the game is rushed?

Wow.

Moving on, my opinion is what I already said. I've played "ME2" for 60+ hours, beat it 2-3 times, and I don't see how anybody in their right mind could say the two are comparable when it comes to polish. In hindsight I'd say "ME1" was rushed, if I had to pick one.

I didn't say anything about graphics. I'm talking about how well the game is coded. Stuff like FPS, bugs, texture pop in, things of that nature. Things that can be looked at factually....not "oh, I think they cut out content to meet a release date".

You're saying you think the game was rushed but not offering any proof of it. Offer proof. I'm saying it doesn't seem rushed, and offering my own assessment of 60+ hours and multiple play throughs as proof. You don't even have one play through to speak on. Stop posting in this thread, complete the game, and come back with an educated opinion.

lol, I'm bored.
Are you bored?

You playing 180 hours of ME2 isn't proof of anything except your ability to withstand the inane.
I don't want to be rude so I'm going to ignore you until you actually say something.
I told you that I'd try and get around to an in depth analyses later.

[lukandroll]

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

You haven't even finished the game but you're sitting here posting all day about how the game is rushed?

Wow.

Moving on, my opinion is what I already said. I've played "ME2" for 60+ hours, beat it 2-3 times, and I don't see how anybody in their right mind could say the two are comparable when it comes to polish. In hindsight I'd say "ME1" was rushed, if I had to pick one.

I didn't say anything about graphics. I'm talking about how well the game is coded. Stuff like FPS, bugs, texture pop in, things of that nature. Things that can be looked at factually....not "oh, I think they cut out content to meet a release date".

You're saying you think the game was rushed but not offering any proof of it. Offer proof. I'm saying it doesn't seem rushed, and offering my own assessment of 60+ hours and multiple play throughs as proof. You don't even have one play through to speak on. Stop posting in this thread, complete the game, and come back with an educated opinion.

ME1 on pc play just fine... no fps drops, no bugs, almost no pop in.... Maybe it was rushed for the 360

[kiyyto]

TopUSGun wrote...

 EA ruins video game franchises, they are worse than activision!

I don't know. I like MW2, a lot.

[kiyyto]

lukandroll wrote...

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

You haven't even finished the game but you're sitting here posting all day about how the game is rushed?

Wow.

Moving on, my opinion is what I already said. I've played "ME2" for 60+ hours, beat it 2-3 times, and I don't see how anybody in their right mind could say the two are comparable when it comes to polish. In hindsight I'd say "ME1" was rushed, if I had to pick one.

I didn't say anything about graphics. I'm talking about how well the game is coded. Stuff like FPS, bugs, texture pop in, things of that nature. Things that can be looked at factually....not "oh, I think they cut out content to meet a release date".

You're saying you think the game was rushed but not offering any proof of it. Offer proof. I'm saying it doesn't seem rushed, and offering my own assessment of 60+ hours and multiple play throughs as proof. You don't even have one play through to speak on. Stop posting in this thread, complete the game, and come back with an educated opinion.

ME1 on pc play just fine... no fps drops, no bugs, almost no pop in.... Maybe it was rushed for the 360

Agreed. I have ME from steam and absolutely no problems.

[Phoenixblight]

kiyyto wrote...

lukandroll wrote...

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

You haven't even finished the game but you're sitting here posting all day about how the game is rushed?

Wow.

Moving on, my opinion is what I already said. I've played "ME2" for 60+ hours, beat it 2-3 times, and I don't see how anybody in their right mind could say the two are comparable when it comes to polish. In hindsight I'd say "ME1" was rushed, if I had to pick one.

I didn't say anything about graphics. I'm talking about how well the game is coded. Stuff like FPS, bugs, texture pop in, things of that nature. Things that can be looked at factually....not "oh, I think they cut out content to meet a release date".

You're saying you think the game was rushed but not offering any proof of it. Offer proof. I'm saying it doesn't seem rushed, and offering my own assessment of 60+ hours and multiple play throughs as proof. You don't even have one play through to speak on. Stop posting in this thread, complete the game, and come back with an educated opinion.

ME1 on pc play just fine... no fps drops, no bugs, almost no pop in.... Maybe it was rushed for the 360

Agreed. I have ME from steam and absolutely no problems.

Thats because it was released 6 months later and ported to the PC so they saw all the issue in the 360 version and fixed them. BTW Bioware didn't do the port another company did it FYI.

[Jaysonie]

lukandroll wrote...

hex23 wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

I won't explain it to you, not right now.
Read the thread. I may come back here after I've completed the game and write in detail, but at this point all I want to say to you is while you may have a little ground to stand on with your argument that I haven't provided any detail (I disagree), you completely erode your own argument by asserting that ME2 is easily the far less buggy, far more polished game when you back up that statement with... nothing at all.

A review?
A thousand reviews?
Tell me your opinion because I'd trust that more than a reviewer.

As far as bugs, that isn't really my concern but people have brought them up here and it is relevant. I can't speak on bugs because I have only experience two and while they've caused me to reset the game they aren't bothersome to me. Other people have brought up bugs as evidence of a rushed game and I suggest you reply them.

As far as polish, if you are stating that Mass Effect 2 has better graphics then we agree, but so what?
Mass Effect was not fun because of its graphics or lack of. I want awesome graphics too, but I am primarily concerned with graphics in a FPS. At this day and age all 3rd person shooters ought to have decent graphics. As a matter of fact, ME2 graphics are nothing to write home about, and if that is what you refer to as polish then we are not concerned with the same issues.

You haven't even finished the game but you're sitting here posting all day about how the game is rushed?

Wow.

Moving on, my opinion is what I already said. I've played "ME2" for 60+ hours, beat it 2-3 times, and I don't see how anybody in their right mind could say the two are comparable when it comes to polish. In hindsight I'd say "ME1" was rushed, if I had to pick one.

I didn't say anything about graphics. I'm talking about how well the game is coded. Stuff like FPS, bugs, texture pop in, things of that nature. Things that can be looked at factually....not "oh, I think they cut out content to meet a release date".

You're saying you think the game was rushed but not offering any proof of it. Offer proof. I'm saying it doesn't seem rushed, and offering my own assessment of 60+ hours and multiple play throughs as proof. You don't even have one play through to speak on. Stop posting in this thread, complete the game, and come back with an educated opinion.

ME1 on pc play just fine... no fps drops, no bugs, almost no pop in.... Maybe it was rushed for the 360

Thats because its a port that was released a year after the 360 version.