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[pacer90]

Not literal. Please stop saying they are flying to us. It is a metaphor for "them flying tings is commin 2 get yaz."

Discuss, agree, disagree.

[Sursion]

... what?

[Disastersaurus]

I can't recall where, but I'm about 60% or so sure that it was confirmed that the reapers are, in fact, approaching from the edge of Dark Space.

[Veex]

Could be literal, finding a way back through dark space and all. I'm sure it will tie in with the dark energy happenings on Haelstrom and such.

[elucid07]

errr...



It's pretty clear they are on their way - there's nothing figurative about it. No mass relay = Let's fly there via FTL drives.

[J e s s e]

Well since the Citadel relay method has been cut off, what other choice do they have?

[ZennExile]

The answer is explained in detail in the first game.

[Xena_Shepard]

I don't know why people think dark space is some other plane of reality, dark space is simply empty nothingness between galaxies, it's THERE, things can OCCUPY the space but there's nothing NATURALLY there, no planets, stars, anything, except the Reapers, who have probably been flying back to the galaxy for 2 years straight.

[marshalleck]

elucid07 wrote...

errr...

It's pretty clear they are on their way - there's nothing figurative about it. No mass relay = Let's fly there via FTL drives.

Which is why there was no need for Sovereign to go to great lengths and risk exposing their existence in order to open the Citadel relay, right?

[Lemonio]

if it was figurative...why show it...

they could have just been like...the reapers are out there like in the first game

another problem with them just flying through space at regular speed...is that...even at light speed it would take them thousands of years to get to the citadel

that's what the mass relays are for...maknig space travel possible

[blank1]

Even if the Reapers travel at 5 times light speed with their FTL drives, it will take them centuries to get to the galaxy from where they are. They can see the entire span of the Milky Way from their perspective. They are tens of thousands, probably hundreds actually considering the span of the galaxy, away from the galaxy.



... Hmmm. Now that I think about it, perhaps Haelstrom's (Which is on the very edge of the galaxy) sun is being prematurely collapsed into a black hole, so the Reapers can manipulate it as a wormhole... their plan B perhaps. Either way, it'll take them a long time to get from where they are, even to the edge of the galaxy nearest them.

[Lost Cipher]

They are on their way, if Shepard saw them or not is probably figurative.But the Reapers do their "culling" every 50,000 years. And its time to reap what they sow yet again.



They have lost Sovereign and the Collectors, its safe to say they now know of the human threat known as Shepard. Seeing how Harbinger, that annoying voice speaking to you when ever you fight collectors was clearly a Reaper. And he escaped the destruction of the base.



As well as its safe to say their on their way.

[Xena_Shepard]

"I am the harbinger of your genetic destiny"



Yeah well shepard is the harbinger of a galactic boot up your ass

[gamergamergamer]

lol the thing that i dont get is that if the reapers could just fly into the galaxy why did they bother with the collectors and saren plots. infact why even need the surprise attack relay on the citadel at all

[Xena_Shepard]

gamergamergamer wrote...

lol the thing that i dont get is that if the reapers could just fly into the galaxy why did they bother with the collectors and saren plots. infact why even need the surprise attack relay on the citadel at all

The same reason remote controls were invented, because they're lazy.

The Citadel-relay was simply a quick effective way to get back into the galaxy, it was also key to their plan as explained by Vigil, they attack the Citadel first which is the seat of galactic power and that leaves all the races of the galaxy scrambling to figure out wtf is going on.

[Xena_Shepard]

Not to mention that I'm sure it requires a lot of energy to fly that incredible distance.

[marshalleck]

Sure, you can say they're on their way. But even that is figurative, unless you believe they are literally flying back to the galaxy.



Once again to recap this problem: either they need a relay or they don't. Remember, they don't want humans 100,000 years from now, not 1,000 years from now. They want humans NOW.



So if they need the relay: they're kinda screwed and pissed off at Shepard at the moment, and working a contingency plan--which they've likely developed many of, having done this extinction thing many times over millions of years.



If they don't need the relay: why did Sovereign exist and why was there a Mass Effect 1 at all?

[wulf3n]

marshalleck wrote...
Which is why there was no need for Sovereign to go to great lengths and risk exposing their existence in order to open the Citadel relay, right?

The original plan, the one that sovereign was trying to accomplish was to blitzkrieg the citadel, then shut down all the mass relays, or at least make the useable only to reapers, then they could pick off each civilization without much resistance.
Now it seems, they have to travel back the hard way, and fight an all out war on the entire galaxy, possibly united against them, if shepard succeeds.

[Lost Cipher]

gamergamergamer wrote...

lol the thing that i dont get is that if the reapers could just fly into the galaxy why did they bother with the collectors and saren plots. infact why even need the surprise attack relay on the citadel at all

If the Reapers succeded with the conquest of the Citadel, it would game over. See acording to the established cannon so  far regarding the Reapers, they conquer the Citadel first because most species use it as a seat for galactic government. So when they conquer it, they destroy any or all forms of galactic government and secure data to the location of most space faring species, as well as any relevent data on them.

They built the Citadel and Mass Relays to "encourage" advanced development along the Reapers "prefeard" path. In essance if all of galactic civilization comes to rely on the Citadel and Mass Relays for galactic governance, trade, and defense. When the Reapers come in and take back control of those means, it leaves the entire galaxy at their mercy.

Modifié par Lost Cipher, 02 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Xena_Shepard]

marshalleck wrote...

Sure, you can say they're on their way. But even that is figurative, unless you believe they are literally flying back to the galaxy.

Once again to recap this problem: either they need a relay or they don't. Remember, they don't want humans 100,000 years from now, not 1,000 years from now. They want humans NOW.

So if they need the relay: they're kinda screwed and pissed off at Shepard at the moment, and working a contingency plan--which they've likely developed many of, having done this extinction thing many times over millions of years.

If they don't need the relay: why did Sovereign exist and why was there a Mass Effect 1 at all?

Here's a good analogy, the relay for the Reapers was the equivalent of a star athelete running down to the store or driving his car, sure he COULD run down to the store no problem, he's physically capable of doing it without any problem, but why bother when he could just drive there?

[izmirtheastarach]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

The Citadel-relay was simply a quick effective way to get back into the galaxy, it was also key to their plan as explained by Vigil, they attack the Citadel first which is the seat of galactic power and that leaves all the races of the galaxy scrambling to figure out wtf is going on.

This is the key point. When the Reapers returned to consume the Protheans the Citadel is hit first. Those whole point of the place is for the sentient reaces of the galaxy to establish their seat of power there, so when the Reapers hit they knock out the central goverment immediatly. Then they run around mopping up the rest at their leisure.

[marshalleck]

wulf3n wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Which is why there was no need for Sovereign to go to great lengths and risk exposing their existence in order to open the Citadel relay, right?

The original plan, the one that sovereign was trying to accomplish was to blitzkrieg the citadel, then shut down all the mass relays, or at least make the useable only to reapers, then they could pick off each civilization without much resistance.
Now it seems, they have to travel back the hard way, and fight an all out war on the entire galaxy, possibly united against them, if shepard succeeds.

If they could simply fly back to the galaxy, Sovereign wouldn't have wasted 2,000 years of throwing crap at the Citadel to try and take control of it. He would have just radioed home and said "hey guys, yea it's Nazara here, listen, the Citadel isn't responding. Yeah, I don't know why. Yes, of course that occurred to me, you think I'm an idiot? No, listen, just come on out. Yeah bring everyone, there's organics crawling all over the Citadel and the relay network. Alright, I'm gonna chill 'til you get here. Later."

[ZennExile]

Seriously you get the full explaination in the first game. There is no reason for this debate the answer is clearly defined in the lore of the first title.

[Vicious]

Doubt it's figurative. Kind of removes the whole 'unite the galaxy against the Reapers' bit which will probably be ME3.



That said, at first it seemed to me that Reapers were started by one alien race [the first] who decided that instead of dying they could pool their genetic history into one single mind and thus live forever, and then they got lonely and so decided to "save" other species by making them into Reapers, who in turn continue the cycle.



But all the current Reapers with the exception of The Terminator[tm] all look like giant Calamari, so apparently there's only one kind. So destroyed my initial theory. Now I just hope I never find out because the answer will probably disappoint.

[gamergamergamer]

but the thing with that is that the reapers are so powerful they dont even need the knockout blow. the entire citadel and alliance fleet couldnt even damage one untill you blew up saren who it had invested its power in