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[marshalleck]

Dark space is...dark.



It's mostly empty space between galaxies. Not much there to look at, aside from the Reaper fleet. Which is probably quite impressive, to be fair.

[marshalleck]

Sniper11709 wrote...

Here's some extra fuel for the fire. If the reapers are so far out how the hell did Cerberus get nice pretty pictures, scans or what ever of them. If Cerberus can see them then they can't be that far out.

My impression is EDI datamined that from the Collector ship. Some people are even speculating that the Collector General, upon being released by Harbinger, transmitted the data to the Normandy before it died. Kind of a nod to the Protheans in the first game making a last ditch attempt to help other organics against the Reapers.

[Gill Kaiser]

marshalleck wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

Here's some extra fuel for the fire. If the reapers are so far out how the hell did Cerberus get nice pretty pictures, scans or what ever of them. If Cerberus can see them then they can't be that far out.

My impression is EDI datamined that from the Collector ship. Some people are even speculating that the Collector General, upon being released by Harbinger, transmitted the data to the Normandy before it died. Kind of a nod to the Protheans in the first game making a last ditch attempt to help other organics against the Reapers.

I thought EDI datamined it as well. That seems to make the most sense.

As for the Collector General transmitting it... it's a nice thought, but I didn't see any indication of that happening in the VERY brief time between Harbinger releasing him and the base being destroyed.

[FlintlockJazz]

This is the way I see it:

As we know, taking the citadel first means that wiping out the central government, it's also possible and I think mentioned that the citadel is the central point of the mass relay network, and that the reapers are able to shut down the network from there, and so that prevents any resistance from getting organised beyond the local level, so without the citadel the reapers won't be able to shut down the relay network perhaps.

As to not being able to take down the reapers anyway, I think this is related to the 'guiding organics down a specific technological path' thing that seems to be mentioned again and again which seems prominent when talking to Legion about this. I think that maybe the reason why they do so is because they know how to defend and attack against this technology, it being their own after all, and so they don't want the races developing an alternative tech that they have no means of defense against. Take Galactic Civilisations 2: in that game you can develop three offensive techlines (projectile, laser and missle) and three defensive techlines (shields, armour and chaff). Projectile is stopped by armour, laser by shields, and missles by chaff, but it's better to specialise in one since the techlines for each are so long, unless you are fighting against an incredibly varied foe. The Reapers are afraid of us developing tech that they have no understanding of and that might have no defense against, and in a prolonged war the chances of that happening increases, hence why they are so desperate to wipe everyone out as quickly and as effectively as they can. A unified galaxy has a greater chance of this, and considering what Legion said about the true Geth wanting to find their own 'future' and develop their own technology I wonder if they will have a large part in the third act, that they may have already developed something to handle the reapers...

EDIT:  As to how they are getting here without relays, you don't actually need them for FTL travel.  If you read the codex it actually says that ships are capable of FTL travel due to the Mass Effect engines, it's just that the relays are 100000s of times faster, meaning that there can be a galaxy-wide civilisation instead of a cluster-wide one.  The relays link clusters of stars, and ftl engines are used to travel between those stars.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 02 février 2010 - 03:23 .

[HeyUder]

it's going to take at least a little while for them to get there in ME3. For all we know, the story could be dragged over to ME4. I hope not. The Milky Way is 100,000 light years across. They aren't "close" per se, but given that they move FTL they can't be too far off, just not too close.

[marshalleck]

Yeah, I'm partial to the idea of EDI getting the data herself. Or itself?

[MrRandomletters]

Has nobody considered the possibility that maybe, since Reapers made the mass relays and all, they might just be able to go the tiniest bit faster than normal ships?

[marshalleck]

MrRandomletters wrote...

Has nobody considered the possibility that maybe, since Reapers made the mass relays and all, they might just be able to go the tiniest bit faster than normal ships?

Not to be rude, but have you not read the thread you're posting in?

[Digital Supremacy]

Both sides have made good points but i think the Reapers are LITERALLY coming. Watch the ending on youtube or something. at the end when they are all powering up (becoming visible) they are indeed moving forward, that's a fact. The only question i see is where are they heading? My logical guess is that they have a Mass Relays all over the galaxy, some of which are probably not charted yet by the other races. So there may be one close enough to the very outer edge of the Galaxy for them to use.



Again just watch the ending, its pretty much fact that they are moving forward, just "where" is still unknown and up for speculation.



First clip of Reapers activating: Most notable Reaper, Harbinger can be easily seen moving forward, with others slowly moving behind.

Second Clip: The front line, including harbinger are slowly moving forward.

Third Clip: Camera turns around to show galaxy, showing the Reapers moving forward. No the camera isn't moving backwards, if it were the galaxy would look as if its shrinking. and its not, its staying as it is, while the reapers soon cloud the camera and the scene ends to go to credits.



PS: No wonder they hibernate in Dark Space, when all their glowy parts or powered off they are literally invisible to the eye. 0.o

PPS: Seems some people have the idea that Dark Space is another realm of existence and that they are "trapped" there. That is not true the ONLY, ONLY thing between the Reapers and us is empty space. some star dust, space debris, chunks of rock when they get closer. then the stars and planets when they enter the system. Maybe a black hole or two but those aren't any trouble to them... they built a station at the center of the galaxy after all so they obviously have the tech to deal with those kind of forces, as well as most likely knowing where they are. Unless of coarse they have a Mass Relay on the outer edge that we dont know about to bypass all that and poof where ever they are going.

[pacer90]

I just figured Bioware wouldn't cop out by saying "the reapers are driving here... get ready."



I figured since you could see the whole galaxy it was a figurative symbol saying...



"The reapers are coming for OUR GALAXY. Our one man who can defeat them is looking at Harbinger right in the eye, and he's looking back at Shepard. It will be a showdown between these two minds."

[glacier1701]

 Seeing some of the posts here and saying what we see makes no sense make no sense because they are ignoring many facts established within the game already.

 First off - the Reapers  MUST have an super efficient FTL drive. Why? Well how did the Mass Relay system get built in the first place? Without that your only method of travel is by FTL drive so to start building you need FTL drives. It MUST be super efficient. Why? When the first Reaper was built it is obviously by itself. As such it is VERY vulnerable to a combined attack on it. Now it has to build a Mass Relay? Even more vulnerable. And to build the network we are told exists must mean it is done very quickly again otherwise massed fleets would destroy the threat of the Reapers. The fact that this is done means the Reapers MUST have a super efficient FTL drive. If they did not then the Mass Relay Network would not exist.


Secondly - as many have pointed out and we got confirmation from Vigil on this. The Citadel is a trap. It makes the harvesting of life much easier and since the Reapers do things efficiently that is why they try to come in via that Relay. It allows them to cut off the head of government, freeze up the Mass Relay network and gives them access to all the information they need to find the current spacefaring races. It still makes sense to go for the Citadel especially as had it not been for Shepard Sovereign's attempt would have suceeded and that would have been the end of everything.

Now they have no other means of quickly subduing the galaxy. They have to do it the hard way so they are now using FTL drives to get to a shorter range Relay and from there will launch their attack. People have pointed out that from where they are they can see the whole of our galaxy. Not sure what minimum distance you'd need to be from it for that to be possible but I doubt it would be need to be more than perhaps 10k light years out though further out would give a better view. The only bad thing is that the ME2 ending completely invalidates ME1 from another point.

It is strongly implied in ME2 that the Rachni wars were started by indoctrinated Rachni. Considering that that was 2000 years ago and that we only know of 1 Reaper inside the Galaxy that means Sovereign has been trying to get the Citadel for that long. Why in heck did it not send a signal anyways? Or why in heck did it not go to the Collectors and get a few more reapers built? Had there been more than 1 reaper at the battle of the citadel even with Shepard the reapers would have won. Or since we know the Collectors can send the signal why not  send it from the Collectors and when the Reaper fleet reached the nearest relay combine forces for an attack on the Citadel? So no matter which way you look at it the ME2 story and ending really invalidates everything from ME1 unless the Reapers are completely flawed and prone to making HUGE errors. And since they have been doing this for a minimum of 37 million years (the IFF mission gives us that date) if they can make such huge errors they'd have been defeated before the Council races even got around to using the relays themselves.

[pacer90]

Sovereign sent the signal to the keepers if thats what you mean, but it didn't work.



The collectors have been trying to build reapers for hundreds probably thousands of years. They were looking for genetic abnormalities like left handed volus and the like. Only humans have been compatible to make a reaper.



The reapers need an element of surprise. They can be destroyed, they know this. They also take FOREVER to make a new one and a lot of resources. Thus they prefer when things all go to plan rather than a full out assault on the citadel. Remember if they fail ONCE or even partially fail a couple times, they are in serious trouble.



And yes I am aware they COULD fly to citadel space. It's just probably more complicated than "Oh hai we're here"

[Rendar666]

Exactly how does an image in a game become figurative? lol.

[aimlessgun]

Rendar666 wrote...

Exactly how does an image in a game become figurative? lol.

Well look, at the very least the view of the galaxy is figurative.

How? Because art teams don't know science, and they don't care about it. They make what looks good, not what makes sense. Showing the entire galaxy looks good, so they show the entire galaxy, implications be damned.

[Cuiva]

It's simple. The current organic life in our galaxy will win as long as they thwart every attempt the Reapers try to gain control of the Citadel. The Citadel is their way into our galaxy, without it, they're stuck in dark space.



ME3 will be ab out Shepard figuring out a way to destroy the Citadel thus stranding the Reapers, giving humanity and their cute alien allies millions of years to develop their own technology and be as strong as the Reapers when they finally arrive.