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[Nimzabaat]

I thought nobody would be able to ruin ME, now ME2 has completely destroyed my faith in Bioware.  It seems the whole game is a slap in the face to anyone who followed this company through many, many, many ground breaking games.  Now i dished out money for the Collector's Edition of a cheap Gears of War rip-off.  So what does this mean for SWTOR?  Is there no info on races because what you see on the website is what you get.  M/F Human Generic class?  Are they dumbing it down so it'll be a mouse / spacebar interface?  You get one skill, level it if you like or auto-level? I live in Edmonton and I used to be proud to be in the home of the best video game company in the world, now i wonder if i should head down to their office and ask for my money back...

[Jonp382]

Mass Effect 2 has killed any desire I have to play games with acted player characters and dialog wheels. Why does my Shepard have to spew out random lines without my input every 5 seconds? And then go on for another five lines? All from one 3 word dialog wheel option? The interrupt system is even worse than the dialog wheel. I expected that it would be obvious what Shepard would do, but apparently I was very wrong.

I don't understand why they couldn't optimize the PC version for the PC, given we have far more buttons and having multiple functions mapped to one key isn't exactly ideal. And what's with 3 options for mouse sensitivity? I always play with a sensitivity of 3, but I can't select an option this low. Also why is it that once we click a power in the pause screen, we can't cancel it and choose another? How hard would it have been to allow the player to select another command? Or to implement a simple check for what key you actually have to press for the tips(for those of us who did a little customization)?

Mini-games. They are out of place and bad. In ME1 they were nowhere near as prevalent, and you didn't have to do them ever. Now they're mandatory and literally everywhere. Even the uncharted worlds and planet scanning have turned into a mini-game type of thing now, with complete disregard to consistency with the previous game. All of a sudden, instead of jumping from world to world,  the more advanced Normandy SR-2 has limited fuel and has to be manually driven from place to place. Scanning is done manually and you have limited probes as well! You must regularly restock them for basically 0 credits. All of this just to artificially lengthen the game with purposely boring game mechanics. That is what RPGs these days are all about, 'big decisions' such as should I scan this planet? Do you find this boring and repetitive task worth it? What will you do? The paragon option is to force yourself to scan, the neutral not to and the renegade to uninstall the game and yell like an unstable hyena(or Shepard, same difference). I can't believe I miss the Mako and the copy + paste planets.

There are positive sides to ME2 of course. The inventory is basically completely fixed, the game is bug-free compared to the original and I have not crashed once. The world, characters, and writing are great. The game runs much smoother than the original and as a nice plus the graphics are much better and more consistent. Music and audio are great as always.

Also I probably appear as though I absolutely hate ME2. I find the game enjoyable enough to play, but it's not anywhere as enjoyable as some of BioWare's other games, even ME1 maybe. With some heavy changes to the dialog and interrupt system, as well as an absence of mini-games, the game could be really awesome. That's not likely to happen though.

At least we have DA:O. Hopefully, the expansions and the sequel do not head into the direction that ME2 has.

Modifié par Jonp382, 02 février 2010 - 09:53 .

[Wrath of Doom]

ME2 did not suck. It has universal acclaim on Metacritic. Your opinion is in the minority so stop with these thread titles that state your opinion as if it is fact.

Modifié par Wrath of Doom, 02 février 2010 - 01:30 .

[BamBam38]

i think you guys need to see a doctor. ME2 is one of the best games i've ever played.

[Nimzabaat]

Well most of the posts were "i hated ME, but i love ME2!!!" So if you hate a game, why buy the sequel. I don't understand the mentality behind that. ME2 is such a huge step back for Bioware. The mission system feels like it should be Dynasty Warriors or something like that. I understand that it's ME2: Short Bus Edition, but does that mean we can expect ME3: Lego Mass Effect? (Okay that would be ironic and funny). I have only personally heard from one person who likes the changes in ME2, and that's because he hate RPGs. That pretty much says it all. It's a big slap in the face to Bioware fans, but it could be genius by dropping their target demographic and moving on to the lowest common denominator.

[AshedMan]

I'm about 15 hours in and while BioWare has definitely watered down the RPG aspect of ME2, they nowhere near killed the game for me. It's a fantastic game.

[Akimb0]

Nimzabaat wrote...

I thought nobody would be able to ruin ME, now ME2 has completely destroyed my faith in Bioware.  It seems the whole game is a slap in the face to anyone who followed this company through many, many, many ground breaking games.  Now i dished out money for the Collector's Edition of a cheap Gears of War rip-off.  So what does this mean for SWTOR?  Is there no info on races because what you see on the website is what you get.  M/F Human Generic class?  Are they dumbing it down so it'll be a mouse / spacebar interface?  You get one skill, level it if you like or auto-level? I live in Edmonton and I used to be proud to be in the home of the best video game company in the world, now i wonder if i should head down to their office and ask for my money back...

Have you seen the vids of SWTOR so far? It looks AWFUL.

Nimzabaat wrote...

Well most of the posts were "i hated
ME, but i love ME2!!!" So if you hate a game, why buy the sequel. I
don't understand the mentality behind that. ME2 is such a huge step
back for Bioware. The mission system feels like it should be Dynasty
Warriors or something like that. I understand that it's ME2: Short Bus
Edition, but does that mean we can expect ME3: Lego Mass Effect? (Okay
that would be ironic and funny). I have only personally heard from one
person who likes the changes in ME2, and that's because he hate RPGs.
That pretty much says it all. It's a big slap in the face to Bioware
fans, but it could be genius by dropping their target demographic and
moving on to the lowest common denominator.

The Irony is that the Lego games are good at what they're trying to achieve. ME2 isn't a BAD game, but compared to what it could have been, it's a giant pile of fail.

Modifié par Akimb0, 02 février 2010 - 03:23 .

[BroBear Berbil]

Nimzabaat wrote...
I live in Edmonton and I used to be proud to be in the home of the best video game company in the world, now i wonder if i should head down to their office and ask for my money back...

So melodramatic.

I happen to think ME2 is a fantastic game and a great improvement over its predecessor. I don't see how you can make a valid estimation on how good or bad TOR will be based on your own opinion of another game. "I don't like Game A so let me make wild assumptions about Game B", is basically what this thread boils down to.

By the way, TOR is not being developed in Canada.

[Nimzabaat]

Yeah i hadn't realized how much i was anticipating ME2 and how much it would upset me if it wasn't as good as the first. I'd like to thank people for five staring this post, it shows i'm not alone. I would like to say that ME2 isn't bad per se. Any other developer would be proud to have it in their resume. I'm just saying it's the worst game Bioware has done. They set the bar incredibly high with ME and shooting so low below for the sequel hit me where i live. The story is still great and i may even grit my teeth through all the bad parts and try to finish it. Just upset is all. As for SWTOR being developed elsewhere, that is encouraging, thank you.

[The Chosen Predator]

It is watered down beyond belief I will agree to that but besides that it's a fun game to play, and I am sure they will amp up the RP factor for, ME3, at least I hope so.

[Aldenhal]

Nimzabaat wrote...

... but does that mean we can expect ME3: Lego Mass Effect? (Okay that would be ironic and funny)....

Lol even though i couldn't see ME3 being a lego game i could see somewhere in the future a Lego version of ME. They do it for everything else what's to stop them from doing it to ME. Sad thing is i would probably buy it, I'm not gonna lie about that one.

As for the other arguments while the game is stripped down as far as the RPG element is concerend it is still a great game. I enjoyed both games equally because i love the story. For me its more enjoyable because of the story, all the stuff inbetween is there to imerse you more into that story, how they do that doesn't matter to me as long as the story is there.

I just hope that in future DLC's they bring back the Mako and allow you to actually explore planets instead of the 3 minute mini-quest they have on the planets now. That was one thing i missed in ME2 was the openness of the galaxy. Eventhough the planet design was bad in ME1 i still miss exploring.

[slimboiphatz]

Nimzabaat wrote...

I thought nobody would be able to ruin ME, now ME2 has completely destroyed my faith in Bioware.  It seems the whole game is a slap in the face to anyone who followed this company through many, many, many ground breaking games.  Now i dished out money for the Collector's Edition of a cheap Gears of War rip-off.  So what does this mean for SWTOR?  Is there no info on races because what you see on the website is what you get.  M/F Human Generic class?  Are they dumbing it down so it'll be a mouse / spacebar interface?  You get one skill, level it if you like or auto-level? I live in Edmonton and I used to be proud to be in the home of the best video game company in the world, now i wonder if i should head down to their office and ask for my money back...

What are you talking about dude... ME2 was f'n sick, i almost **** myself when i first started playing it.

[Rubbish Hero]

First Mass Effect was balls, very sterile, characters that emoted like rocks.
Second one is way better, world feels more vibrant, alive, interesting characters, no boring driving around aimlessly, exciting missions, no Darth Maul like villain seen twice for 5 minutes, no buggering around a confusing (not by complexity but by design) UI, no cleaning up an almost totally useless inv,  it's pwitty gud.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 03 février 2010 - 01:39 .

[Mordaedil]

I did my research and I didn't get ME2.



Learn, people.

[Stormcleod]

While I don't like certain things in ME2. The story is still riveting and the characters give you a different type of interaction than ME1. Both games as a whole are a great story and I can only hope that ME3 takes the best of both and makes the best game of all. Yeah some of the things the did is mundane (really don't care for spending the time to fully scan an entire planet) and could of used a bit more tweeking, but just as in SW some things get boring while others just make you want to say "WTF, I didn't see that coming". Loved ME1 and ME2 and can't wait to see what TOR is going to give us.

[Gorath Alpha]

Compared to the more usual gamefare, IMO, almost all the MMOs ever released have been totally dumbed down like the oldest of console games always were. It seems to be the rule for success, if WoW is the best example.

[Aratham Darksight]

Mordaedil wrote...

I did my research and I didn't get ME2.

Learn, people.

This. Well, except that I did get ME2, but I did so knowing exactly what I was getting. No surprises or regrets for me.

90% of the things that people are acting shocked about were known in advance and you can find out about them with 30 minutes of reading. Do your research.

Also, as person "who followed this company through many, many, many ground breaking games" and likes ME2 very much, please don't speak for me.

Modifié par Aratham Darksight, 03 février 2010 - 03:07 .

[EverteMax]

I enjoyed it. I'm sorry you didn't and I will still buy or preorder ME3. For SWTOR, I will see when it comes out, cause well, it's a MMO and game mechanics do differ from other games.

[DarthCaine]

Only a vocal minority didn't like ME2, here:
http://social.biowar...093/polls/1659/
http://social.biowar...596/polls/1670/
Gamespot's user score is 9.4 and only a few games have a that high user score

Modifié par DarthCaine, 04 février 2010 - 12:02 .