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[SgTKilmor]

SerSpiffy wrote...
Mass Effect 3 = Many Endings.

Affected by the previous games.

[Naltair]

I don't see that happening, keeping everyone alive is the "exception" not the rule. They expect people to die and i expect that the non-import Shepard will have had some fatalities. It would drive home the idea that he just finished a suicide mission. If you want them all to live then you should play ME2.

Think about ME1, if you don't play it Wrex dies on Virmire for a non-import Shepard. Given his role in ME2 if he lives that is a very big change. That sets a strong precedent to me that just because a character is interesting does not mean they will survive or all characters must survive.

That is just logical.

Modifié par Naltair, 05 février 2010 - 05:10 .

[epoch_]

NewMessageN00b wrote...

Yeah, she's got strong character.
Should we say, she's the only one CONSISTENT character throughout the games, and she's interesting to talk to, and it always sounds caring and believable.
The rest of the characters... changed.
But she... not by an inch.

I think she's changed. She's certainly matured.

[Sleepicub09]

Naltair wrote...

I don't see that happening, keeping everyone alive is the "exception" not the rule. They expect people to die and i expect that the non-import Shepard will have had some fatalities. It would drive home the idea that he just finished a suicide mission. If you want them all to live then you should play ME2.

Think about ME1, if you don't play it Wrex dies on Virmire for a non-import Shepard. Given his role in ME2 if he lives that is a very big change. That sets a strong precedent to me that just because a character is interesting does not mean they will survive or all characters must survive.

That is just logical.

shepard ask wrex questions that would be confusing to newcomers

[Naltair]

SerSpiffy wrote...

thats my idea. bioware is gonna pull off a giant explosion for the ending.

having all squadmates from ME1 and ME2 as possible for many branches of endings.

Mass Effect 3 = Many Endings.

If they live sure, if they are dead then no they won;t be there, they may have a lingering presence but no they won't be available for the final showdown.  This includes Tali, Garrus and anyone else involved in the suicide mission.

They won't just be back magically or force people to keep them alive.

Modifié par Naltair, 05 février 2010 - 05:13 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Until Bioware says otherwise, I'm going to keep hoping for ME2 characters, ESPECIALLY Tali and Garrus, to return as party members and I'm gunna be vocal about it until then dammit!

[Naltair]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I don't see that happening, keeping everyone alive is the "exception" not the rule. They expect people to die and i expect that the non-import Shepard will have had some fatalities. It would drive home the idea that he just finished a suicide mission. If you want them all to live then you should play ME2.

Think about ME1, if you don't play it Wrex dies on Virmire for a non-import Shepard. Given his role in ME2 if he lives that is a very big change. That sets a strong precedent to me that just because a character is interesting does not mean they will survive or all characters must survive.

That is just logical.

shepard ask wrex questions that would be confusing to newcomers

I don't think you understood my point.

[SerSpiffy]

Naltair wrote...

SerSpiffy wrote...

Naltair wrote...

The ending was not so much renegade as middle path for most choices and skipping most side plot story.

Dr. Chakwas can die if you don't have her escorted.

I still think the non-import Shepard will not bring everyone back.

really? why not? it's not like shepard is gonna die (AGAIN) and split the group up. AGAIN

he has a team. he's not gonna do something stupid to get it disbarred again.

I mean some people will die for a non-import Shepard.

but thats just it. your saying some people would die for a non import shepard. thats because thats YOUR shepard.

what about Biowares Shepard? clearly. you cannot import your Dead Shepard. even though THAT is a possible ending.

that shows you screwed up somewhere.

but if you think about it. the real shepard wouldn't have died.

but then again. the REAL shepard would have been charastmatic and prepared ahead of time.
so if he did. no one would have died. and he would have put the right man on the right command.

[epoch_]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Until Bioware says otherwise, I'm going to keep hoping for ME2 characters, ESPECIALLY Tali and Garrus, to return as party members and I'm gunna be vocal about it until then dammit!

**** ya!

[Paeyvn]

Handren wrote...

I gotta agree that's I've never felt such an emotional connection to a game charachter before.

GJ, Moar Plox, Bioware.

Agreed. She felt real. Glad I'm not the only one who felt that =P

[epoch_]

Anyone get a kick out of this scene?

www.youtube.com/watch



Tali's like WTF?!?

[SgTKilmor]

Paeyvn wrote...

Handren wrote...

I gotta agree that's I've never felt such an emotional connection to a game charachter before.

GJ, Moar Plox, Bioware.

Agreed. She felt real. Glad I'm not the only one who felt that =P

Yeah... Too real. But, I'm going to dwelve into that at all...

[SerSpiffy]

Naltair wrote...

SerSpiffy wrote...

thats my idea. bioware is gonna pull off a giant explosion for the ending.

having all squadmates from ME1 and ME2 as possible for many branches of endings.

Mass Effect 3 = Many Endings.

If they live sure, if they are dead then no they won;t be there, they may have a lingering presence but no they won't be available for the final showdown.  This includes Tali, Garrus and anyone else involved in the suicide mission.

They won't just be back magically or force people to keep them alive.

Again you insinuate that they aren't gonna live. but you miss the fact that Replacing them is illogical. and mass effect 3 is most likely gonna be based on all the characters living.

for suicide mission is a test on IF you are truely up to the task as the real shepard.

if some members for you died on mass effect 2. then thats removing them from your squad permanently.

but i think that if you ARE truely up to the task as the REAL shepard. Then mass effect 3 will be based on Having Everyone on your Squad and more.

Mutliple endings.

all i'm saying is Having Tali and Garrus in your Team is a MUST.

[Paeyvn]

SgTKilmor wrote...

Paeyvn wrote...

Handren wrote...

I gotta agree that's I've never felt such an emotional connection to a game charachter before.

GJ, Moar Plox, Bioware.

Agreed. She felt real. Glad I'm not the only one who felt that =P

Yeah... Too real. But, I'm going to dwelve into that at all...

Yeah...I wish I could say I didn't know where you were going...but I do...

*le sigh*

[Naltair]

[quote]SerSpiffy wrote...
I mean some people will die for a non-import Shepard.[/quote]

but thats just it. your saying some people would die for a non import shepard. thats because thats YOUR shepard.

what about Biowares Shepard? clearly. you cannot import your Dead Shepard. even though THAT is a possible ending.

that shows you screwed up somewhere.

but if you think about it. the real shepard wouldn't have died.

but then again. the REAL shepard would have been charastmatic and prepared ahead of time.
so if he did. no one would have died. and he would have put the right man on the right command.

[/quote]
You are confusing two different kinds of characters.  Non-import Shepard is basically a blank slate Shepard that completed the previous game, or two games if you jump in at ME3, he is no more "real" or true to the story than an imported Shepard.  He or she is just an easy to get new people into the game without requiring them to play the previous game.

There is nothing overtly charismatic about him, in fact if he was so charismatic Wrex would not have died on Virmire because he would have kept him alive.  But he didn't, he took the path of least resistance through the story to minimize loose ends and weird situations where someone knows Shepard but the player has never met that character.

Given that, I don;t see a non-import Shepard bringing everyone home, it diminishes the achievement for one and seems highly unrealistic.  More realistic that people died but he lived and brought the majority of the team home.  I presume they will probably keep the ME1 characters in the squad but as I said earlier this is all supposition.

But no there will not be required people to keep alive, nor will they have a fresh ME3 Shepard bring everyone home.

[BLACKOUT228]

Morning folks, went to bed after we hit 200 last night. Glad to see we can keep it up.

[Sleepicub09]

Naltair wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I don't see that happening, keeping everyone alive is the "exception" not the rule. They expect people to die and i expect that the non-import Shepard will have had some fatalities. It would drive home the idea that he just finished a suicide mission. If you want them all to live then you should play ME2.

Think about ME1, if you don't play it Wrex dies on Virmire for a non-import Shepard. Given his role in ME2 if he lives that is a very big change. That sets a strong precedent to me that just because a character is interesting does not mean they will survive or all characters must survive.

That is just logical.

shepard ask wrex questions that would be confusing to newcomers

I don't think you understood my point.

I understood your point very clear but saying someone died on your command is confusing it easier to keep everyone alive so this what I think will happen Jack as she said survived the mission and cutloose, Thane is dead from his sickness, grunt is still with you because your his battlemaster, depending on the canoned storyjacob and miranda is still there, zaeed obviously left,Mordin left to work on the genophage

[SgTKilmor]

Paeyvn wrote...
Yeah...I wish I could say I didn't know where you were going...but I do...
*le sigh*

 Don't be hatin'. I can't help it.

[Naltair]

SerSpiffy wrote...
Again you insinuate that they aren't gonna live. but you miss the fact that Replacing them is illogical. and mass effect 3 is most likely gonna be based on all the characters living.

for suicide mission is a test on IF you are truely up to the task as the real shepard.

if some members for you died on mass effect 2. then thats removing them from your squad permanently.

but i think that if you ARE truely up to the task as the REAL shepard. Then mass effect 3 will be based on Having Everyone on your Squad and more.

Mutliple endings.

all i'm saying is Having Tali and Garrus in your Team is a MUST.

What real Shepard?  Your character is Shepard, it's your decisions there is no bar to measure against.  This is your Shepard's story what are you even talking about?

That is like saying if you let Wrex die you are not a real Shepard?  What?

[The_KFD_Case]

epoch_ wrote...

SerSpiffy wrote...

.... guys... will this make you feel better?

i just got a big juicy reason why Tali might be a big part of Mass Effect 3

1) why would bioware not show her face in Mass Effect 2? because they plan on showing it in ME3
2) If they're gonna show her Face in Mass Effect 3, why would there be any reason she's gonna be a Small Part of it. it's not like she's gonna go to Flotilla and you can go and say "i wanna see your Face again" then she'll be like "lol okay shepard *takes mask off*"
3) why would she go back after a short period of time? i mean she was made a candidate, but she's probably going to stay considering helping commander shepard with the reapers is a bigger problem that the Geth and the Homeworld. hell if she leaves, thats just turning her back on Saving the Galaxy. and Sure she'll save the Homeworld, but without her. to what end would that due, if it's just gonna get destroyed by the reapers anyways?
4)She's gonna return as a Major part because she's one of the most loved and interesting Characters, There is No way Bioware would turn her back on her now. They're Barely Starting to Develop her Character even Further.
5)This is The Final Mass Effect Game, Taking her out now would be Preposterous.
6)Casey Mentioned they knew what Tali Looked Like.... They're Going to probably Reveal what she looks like in a Climatic way.... i say before the final battle. or after the final battle with the Reapers. or during a cutscene where Shepard and Tali Enjoy the Rest of Their Lives Together. as the Story ends with the Romance Sub-Plot Filling the Rest of the Story in. kinda like in Dragon age. where they tell you how the story ends, and the other side stories end based on your decisions in the game.

While I'm fairly confident that both Garrus and Tali will make a comback as squad mates, you can't really expect them to have a big role in the plot as they did potentially die. Doesn't mean they won't have their own cool side missions or anything.

That's true of all of the party members in ME2 though, so following that train of logic there is no one, not even Shepard, to advance and support major plot segments. Given BioWare's reputation I would bet on them creating a mammoth sized story of intensely intricate story branches that intertwine, separate, only to entangle and intertwine again further down the road. Similar to an extensive family family tree.

The people who end up with Tali, Garrus, Shepard, etc. killed in ME2 may well find that certain aspects of ME3's stories will be off-limits to them because certain characters didn't make it on their watch. If they want to experience those branches, go replay ME2. It makes sense though that needn't be an iron clad guarantee that that is how it will turn out.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 05 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[The Governator]

epoch_ wrote...

Anyone get a kick out of this scene?

www.youtube.com/watch



Tali's like WTF?!?

I cannot view that at work.  Is that the one where Jacob tells Tali to check out the new AI and she just turns and silently looks at him?  I LOVE THAT SCENE!  

Tali is just awesomeness personified! <3<3<3

[Naltair]

Sleepicub09 wrote...
I understood your point very clear but saying someone died on your command is confusing it easier to keep everyone alive so this what I think will happen Jack as she said survived the mission and cutloose, Thane is dead from his sickness, grunt is still with you because your his battlemaster, depending on the canoned storyjacob and miranda is still there, zaeed obviously left,Mordin left to work on the genophage

I saved everyone the first time through including crew.

That won't be the case for every player/Shepard and that does not make their Shepard any less of a Shepard than anyone else.

There will not be a requirement to keep everyone or specific people alive.

If there was they would be immune to death already.

Modifié par Naltair, 05 février 2010 - 05:23 .

[The Governator]

Too many non-Tali posts in this thread of late. Keep it focused on Tali or else the developers may ignore us.

[epoch_]

The Governator wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

Anyone get a kick out of this scene?

www.youtube.com/watch



Tali's like WTF?!?

I cannot view that at work.  Is that the one where Jacob tells Tali to check out the new AI and she just turns and silently looks at him?  I LOVE THAT SCENE!  

Tali is just awesomeness personified! <3<3<3

Nah, its the one where shep is trying to rally the sick krogan and he tells the krogan to stop acting like a quarian with a tummy ache.

Then tali goes, "I'm standing right here!"

Modifié par epoch_, 05 février 2010 - 05:25 .