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[videowiz186]

TheSorrow1175 wrote...

videowiz186 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

Another question, how would you like Tali's romance to unfold, and no I don't want people giving a play play bedroom scene while it would be cool to see a Tali scene ME1 style, (she would finally be rid of that suit yay!) but rather what kind of unique expierences would you and Tali have? Have a home on her world etc.

I'm really not sure. I want the end of it to be Tali and Shepard living on the homeworld together, but I'm not sure how the romance would play out before that. Any suggestions?

not exactly a creative writer extraordinare, but heres my idea
my version assumes the everyone made it and that Tali was acquitted

After the destruction/capture of the collector base, Tali and Shepard continues to grow closer, and we learn about Tali's life before the mission, about her life on the flotilla, her pilgrimmage before she met Shep, about her father, and what she's been doing in the 2 years that Shep was dead. Every so often, they take the risk to get together as they did before the collector mission. Tali begins to regain her immune system through exposure with Shepard and immunity therapy with Mordin. At some point leading up to the final confrontation with the Reapers, the geth, through Legion, announce that their 'Dyson sphere' project is complete, and that they are withdrawing from the quarian homeworld. Tali asks Shep to come with her and help secure the planet for the Migrant Fleet. The quarians begin to come back, with Mardin setting up a clinic planetside to help them to bring their immune systems back up to snuff. As the final confrontation approaches, Shepard begins gathering all his allies together, including the krogan (with Wrex having united them), the rachni, the geth, and all the council races. The battle is long and difficult, with many dying. The Reapers are finally destroyed with heavy losses, and all the races begin to rebuild. Shepard is idolized for his work beating the Reapers and is offered a position at the top, but decline so that he can be with Tali. They go back, build a house on the homeworld, and get (married?). The quarians immune systems have adapted to the point where they no longer need the suits on there own world. They  then find an orphan quarian whos parents were killed in the fighting, and decide to raise it as their own.

And thats about it. Like I said, not a writer by any stretch. Only thing I share with Drew Karpyshyn is a last name with only one vowel. Just thought I'd give it a whirl. Lemme know what you think^_^

I really think it's good. I wouldn't mind seeing that happening. And it shows more emotional involvment between the characters.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

Awesome! I like like like like love herrrr!!!

[Sageless Ranger]

PwrGetter wrote...

I actually would like to see the "romance" be fleshed out into the main plot more thoroughly. As a part time videographer and enthused film maker, I can think of many reason's why this would work. I'm no writer (bioware has a team for this), but hear me out.

Any kind of dramatic story requires 3 basic elements. A world, character, and problem. In this case, we'll state the obvious.

World (setting) - Inevitable invasion/attack of the Reaper fleet
Character(s) - Shepard and Tali (obviously more, but for the sake of this scenario)
Problem - Shepards responsibility for saving humanity from the impending doom of all civilized space species.

What can be done to further the grip of the story? By mixing in the romance subplot into the "problem". How they would do this, is up to them, if they could find out how to creatively and effectively implement something like this - the trilogy would be just THAT more satisfying I think.

If they can do this, to make atleast, the story reflect your romance (with Tali, or whoever else) as part of the story line, instead of a side tracked bonus to the game, would be awesome. I'd write more on this subject, as I think it would really help the story of the game, but I'm off of work in 5 minutes, so maybe later

You know what you are absolutely right! Now that I think about it the romance sub-plots are just that, sub-plots, in any movie I see they don't act like the romance is on the side, they put it smack dab in the middle of the story! Thank you for putting this perspective in my head!

[RVonE]

Litos456 wrote...

RVonE wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

RVonE wrote...

And since Tali CAN be killed in ME2, it follows that she will not be a major character in ME3. This is not what I want, but it seems to be the obvious route. If she survives in your game she'll have a cameo: Tali will return to the migrant fleet to take her father's place on the admiralty board.
...Now I'm depressed.

I really don't think so.  Almost every character can be dead now, except for Liara.
They are NOT going to come up with an entirely new cast and relegate everyone else to cameos.  There are many good reasons for this.
1) It would be more work to invent a lot of new characters rather than simply including continuations for the previous ones, even if not all of them are seen by some players (just increases replay value anyway)
2) It makes almost all of the choices and quests we undertake in ME2 completely meaningless
3) Bioware is a developer than builds RPGs on the backs of its stellar characters; removing all the characters that we've gotten to know and love decreases players emotional involvement in the story.
4) It doesn't make sense, story-wise, that the loyal crew you spent a whole game building would simply leave.
5) This is a trilogy, and the last chapter of a trilogy is typically about resolution.  The final battle happens and the relationships between the characters are worked out.  This is not the time to be starting up new relationships.
6) There has already apparently been an interview where a Bioware dude said to expect the same characters, maybe with a couple new faces

I'm not saying that everyone will be reduced to cameo status; I'm saying that Tali will be.
1. Yes. But we've seen them do it before. Remember Mass Effect 2? Remember how there are a ton of new character in that game? Remember how most ME1 characters got sidelined ("to make sure they won't die" - which is just marketing bullsh**)?
2. Yes. Remember how a lot of things you did in ME1 hardly affect events in ME2?
3. Really? So how come they sidelined most of their great characters from ME1? Sales figures show that people don't really care.
4. Indeed. Remember ME1 -> ME2. Yeah...
5. True. Like I said, I don't think the entire cast will be cameo'd; but Tali will.
6. A "couple of new faces"? Really? That would underscore my point.
Again, I'm not saying that all characters from ME1 and ME2 will get the cold shoulder, but I also don't think it is wise to think that BioWare will make the ultimate fanservice game which includes all the characters from the first two games. That's just way too many characters; no way they will be able to fit them all in. Therefore, some characters have to go. Since BioWare has been touting how the ME1 characters were only sidelined for a while ("so they will be sure they survive") it has to be a part of the ME2 cast that will be returning as cameos. Tali is an obvious candidate because of the story hooks that are in place. Also, she and Garrus are the only two characters who have had two full games worth of time to be developed as characters. Writing story is hard for characters that have been so extensively developed. All other characters have only been on the team for one game, so there is a lot more room writers to come up with new story material for these characters.
Don't say that Tali will return because BioWare relies on its stellar characters. Wrex was one of the most popular characters of ME1; look at what happened to him. BioWare will make the game they want to make, regardless of what fans think--because they know that fans will eventually accept it anyway (have you seen ME2's sales figures?)
Again, I want Tali to be in ME3 more than anything else (I was very active in the old forums in the Tali love threads before she was a love interest) but I'm not going to deny the writing on the wall. I hope for a glorious last game with Tali, but I expect it to not happen.

Thank you for this post, although we are pretty sure and have reasons to back our concerns up, that she will be back with a major role in ME3.
I will now escort you out of this thread, sir.
My point is, what you're saying is wrong. They won't just push Tali off the cliff like that, same with Garrus. The reason they put them in ME2 on the first place is because they were most popular, which is why they'll continue with them.
You'll see. Just wait.

I pray to god you are right. But it's just silly to say that you know I'm wrong. I mean, I remember people saying we were wrong when we said that Liara would probably be a cameo in ME2.

Also, I don't understand why you would want me out of this thread. I mean, up untill a couple of weeks ago I enjoyed being a very active member of the Tali community (I've been onboard since summer 2007). I go on hiatus for a bit to play the game and all of the sudden you "are pretty sure and have reasons" to know she'll have a major role in ME3, and I have to leave the thread... Wow. Things change around here quickly.

[epoch_]

spuddragg wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

So I'm playing a female renegade adept now. (was male paragon soldier) and the game really does play vastly different. Its almost like an entirely new game.

Its really hurting me to be mean to tali though. Like, really bad.

I think when i go back and be renegade i'll still be nice to her otherwise i'll feel awful.

You have to really set your mind straight. Like assume the role of a renegade in your mind. Otherwise you do feel like complete dog ****. My main paragon is *really* my character and he romanced tali.

Renegade play throughs I find to be more funny though.

[The_KFD_Case]

Handren wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Handren wrote...

Legion said that the Geth do not actually live there and are actually taking care of the site.

It seems to imply, and frm what he said, the geth semi-regret the war with the quarians.

Not exactly since regret implies emotion which the Geth have none of. Legion does express something that is reminiscent of what organics might associate with regret. It seems to indicate that the "Morning War" was an unnecessary event and that it would have preferred for it not to happen, but that the Geth were justified in defending themselves since the quarians apparently attacked first. That's my interpretation of it at any rate. If you keep asking Legion questions it finishes off by saying (if you use the Paragon dialogue tree) that the Geth can not end the war with the quarians alone; that the quarians have to be willing to overcome their hatred of the Geth and the past for a peace accord to be established. Foreshadowing much? I think so!

Ooh, definitely. That seems like a really good sign.

I wish there was a way to TELL Tali about this in-game. I`m sure she would be overjoyed, if not cautious.

It was also outright stated by the Rachni queen's Asari messenger that Shepard and the Rachni would be joining forces against the Reapers (they apparently caused the Rachni Wars having driven the old Rachni queens insane the way they did with the Cerberus science team). This encounter only takes place if you decided to let the Rachni queen live in ME1. I did but that was the one major decision in ME1 I had severe doubts about. I'm glad it looks like I made the right choice.

I also see a cure for the genphage in the cards and it seems to me a giant coalition of Geth, Rachni, reinvigorated Krogans (they now have a purpose to live for - great battles and a future where they no longer pile high stacks with the bodies of their dead children), the quarian Flotilla and Alliance/Council race forces amassing to hold off the advancing Reapers in an attempt to buy Shepard and his team enough time to find and activate or use some ancient technological device that will shut down and/or destroy the Reapers without affecting the rest of the galaxy.

[Admiral-165]

Sageless Ranger wrote...

PwrGetter wrote...

I actually would like to see the "romance" be fleshed out into the main plot more thoroughly. As a part time videographer and enthused film maker, I can think of many reason's why this would work. I'm no writer (bioware has a team for this), but hear me out.

Any kind of dramatic story requires 3 basic elements. A world, character, and problem. In this case, we'll state the obvious.

World (setting) - Inevitable invasion/attack of the Reaper fleet
Character(s) - Shepard and Tali (obviously more, but for the sake of this scenario)
Problem - Shepards responsibility for saving humanity from the impending doom of all civilized space species.

What can be done to further the grip of the story? By mixing in the romance subplot into the "problem". How they would do this, is up to them, if they could find out how to creatively and effectively implement something like this - the trilogy would be just THAT more satisfying I think.

If they can do this, to make atleast, the story reflect your romance (with Tali, or whoever else) as part of the story line, instead of a side tracked bonus to the game, would be awesome. I'd write more on this subject, as I think it would really help the story of the game, but I'm off of work in 5 minutes, so maybe later

You know what you are absolutely right! Now that I think about it the romance sub-plots are just that, sub-plots, in any movie I see they don't act like the romance is on the side, they put it smack dab in the middle of the story! Thank you for putting this perspective in my head!

for the romance, i want what everyone else here wants and thats the ability to marry her and build her a house on the homeworld...

[SgTKilmor]

Handren wrote...

Awesome picture. Very Professional.

That has been posted like 8 times.

[Iclonic]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

ITS TALI!!

Hope not. Elves of any king overused. Prefer humanoid, but newer look.
Though even if Tali is space elf, my opinion unchanged.
Please help.

 


I read something that  the concept for the  Quarins had them looking some what like the Na'vi from  Avatar would be  pretty damn cool

I always depicted Tali having a more rounded faciual structure, but I wouldn't be upset if this is waht she actually looked like. 

[Admiral-165]

it looks too elvish, Tali will look original, unlike anything else...

[Sageless Ranger]

[quote]RVonE wrote...

[quote]Litos456 wrote...

[quote]RVonE wrote...

[quote]Pauravi wrote...

[quote]RVonE wrote...

And since Tali CAN be killed in ME2, it follows that she will not be a major character in ME3. This is not what I want, but it seems to be the obvious route. If she survives in your game she'll have a cameo: Tali will return to the migrant fleet to take her father's place on the admiralty board.
...Now I'm depressed.[/quote]
I really don't think so.  Almost every character can be dead now, except for Liara.
They are NOT going to come up with an entirely new cast and relegate everyone else to cameos.  There are many good reasons for this.
1) It would be more work to invent a lot of new characters rather than simply including continuations for the previous ones, even if not all of them are seen by some players (just increases replay value anyway)
2) It makes almost all of the choices and quests we undertake in ME2 completely meaningless
3) Bioware is a developer than builds RPGs on the backs of its stellar characters; removing all the characters that we've gotten to know and love decreases players emotional involvement in the story.
4) It doesn't make sense, story-wise, that the loyal crew you spent a whole game building would simply leave.
5) This is a trilogy, and the last chapter of a trilogy is typically about resolution.  The final battle happens and the relationships between the characters are worked out.  This is not the time to be starting up new relationships.
6) There has already apparently been an interview where a Bioware dude said to expect the same characters, maybe with a couple new faces
[/quote]

Thank you for this post, although we are pretty sure and have reasons to back our concerns up, that she will be back with a major role in ME3.
I will now escort you out of this thread, sir.
My point is, what you're saying is wrong. They won't just push Tali off the cliff like that, same with Garrus. The reason they put them in ME2 on the first place is because they were most popular, which is why they'll continue with them.
You'll see. Just wait.

[/quote]
I pray to god you are right. But it's just silly to say that you know I'm wrong. I mean, I remember people saying we were wrong when we said that Liara would probably be a cameo in ME2.

Also, I don't understand why you would want me out of this thread. I mean, up untill a couple of weeks ago I enjoyed being a very active member of the Tali community (I've been onboard since summer 2007). I go on hiatus for a bit to play the game and all of the sudden you "are pretty sure and have reasons" to know she'll have a major role in ME3, and I have to leave the thread... Wow. Things change around here quickly.[/quote]

Pretty sure just didn't like the way you worded it, you did say that 'Tali will be" a cameo in ME3, also thats why this thread exists to make sure that doesn't happen, Bouncers are getting restless, there havn't been any trolls to take out in a while rofl

[The_KFD_Case]

nitefyre410 wrote...

videowiz186 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

Another question, how would you like Tali's romance to unfold, and no I don't want people giving a play play bedroom scene while it would be cool to see a Tali scene ME1 style, (she would finally be rid of that suit yay!) but rather what kind of unique expierences would you and Tali have? Have a home on her world etc.

I'm really not sure. I want the end of it to be Tali and Shepard living on the homeworld together, but I'm not sure how the romance would play out before that. Any suggestions?

 


I would love to have Scene in ME 3  where you are helping the Quarins take back there home world. Tali went back to hellp her people to help with the effort. Her Squad gets pinned down and you get choose between breaking alot lot of intergalatic laws to pull her tail out the fire.  

"Shephard you come back for me.."

"I left you once ... never again..."

Shepard is an active spectre again. He is above intergalactic law and can do what he pleases as long as it doesn't result in the Council stripping him of his title.

[Iclonic]

The Gay Warden wrote...

Shameless promote is shameless.

Too good.

[spuddragg]

epoch_ wrote...

spuddragg wrote...

epoch_ wrote...

So I'm playing a female renegade adept now. (was male paragon soldier) and the game really does play vastly different. Its almost like an entirely new game.

Its really hurting me to be mean to tali though. Like, really bad.

I think when i go back and be renegade i'll still be nice to her otherwise i'll feel awful.

You have to really set your mind straight. Like assume the role of a renegade in your mind. Otherwise you do feel like complete dog ****. My main paragon is *really* my character and he romanced tali.

Renegade play throughs I find to be more funny though.

It's true you really do have to get into a mindset to play the story as a renegade.  My main play is a Paragon as well and it's much more real for me.  I can't really be an ass in real life it's not who i am.  Though once i get into that mindset to play as a renegade it can be alot of fun to be a dick to people and just start shooting in certain cutscenes rather than talking things out.

[The_KFD_Case]

Sageless Ranger wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

videowiz186 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

Another question, how would you like Tali's romance to unfold, and no I don't want people giving a play play bedroom scene while it would be cool to see a Tali scene ME1 style, (she would finally be rid of that suit yay!) but rather what kind of unique expierences would you and Tali have? Have a home on her world etc.

I'm really not sure. I want the end of it to be Tali and Shepard living on the homeworld together, but I'm not sure how the romance would play out before that. Any suggestions?

Simple. "And they lived happily ever after. The End".

Ah, in all seriousness I wouldn't mind that though I would want it fleshed out and padded with specific details such as, "And so it came to pass that after many trials and tribulations Michael Shepard and Tali'Zorah, having found that most precious and rare commodity: true love in each others arms, retreated from public scrutiny to lead a caring family life on the newly re-settled quarian homeworld. Adopting both a human and a quarian child they raised a family with stories of daring heroics and great sacrifice for the betterment of all galactic civilization (que the possibility of a spin-off game playing a Shepard descendant). There were times when our heroic duo felt restless yet these moments were deftly dealt with by annual gatherings with old friends and allies and the swapping of old tales...And who knows? Perhaps even the occasional forray in to the reaches of space where few travel and danger abounds. Thus concludes the epic tale of Commander Shepard, the first human spectre and three-time decorated saviour of Citadel and Terminus space." - narrator's voice from the Index

Very nice, would give clapping man but don't want to spam thread with him as i just had posted him rofl

Thank you kindly.

[nitefyre410]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...

 


Why is that Shephard point so damn Epic

[Admiral-165]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

videowiz186 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

Another question, how would you like Tali's romance to unfold, and no I don't want people giving a play play bedroom scene while it would be cool to see a Tali scene ME1 style, (she would finally be rid of that suit yay!) but rather what kind of unique expierences would you and Tali have? Have a home on her world etc.

I'm really not sure. I want the end of it to be Tali and Shepard living on the homeworld together, but I'm not sure how the romance would play out before that. Any suggestions?

 


I would love to have Scene in ME 3  where you are helping the Quarins take back there home world. Tali went back to hellp her people to help with the effort. Her Squad gets pinned down and you get choose between breaking alot lot of intergalatic laws to pull her tail out the fire.  

"Shephard you come back for me.."

"I left you once ... never again..."

Shepard is an active spectre again. He is above intergalactic law and can do what he pleases as long as it doesn't result in the Council stripping him of his title.

maybe because he saves Tali his rank gets taken away? who knows?

[Handren]

Paruavi/RyonE please don`t leave. He was just getting overexcited. You were certainly not trolling and he had no reason whatsoever to say that to you.

If anything, we need someone to bring up the points you made in order to generate discussion and make arguments against them or ways around them.

Modifié par Handren, 05 février 2010 - 11:38 .

[The_KFD_Case]

videowiz186 wrote...

Well, as long as it's not like the of DA:O, then I'm fine. I have nothing against DA, but I would of a liked the ending to be acted out instead of text.

I would have preferred that too, but at least we got some form of closure which is vital in most stories.

[ussbones]

Does anyone else find the other fan threads funny? Tali's will be at 300 pages around 3am, where as the other threads have died down, or just died at 15 pages haha

[RVonE]

[quote]Sageless Ranger wrote...

[quote]RVonE wrote...

[quote]Litos456 wrote...

[quote]RVonE wrote...

[quote]Pauravi wrote...

[quote]RVonE wrote...

And since Tali CAN be killed in ME2, it follows that she will not be a major character in ME3. This is not what I want, but it seems to be the obvious route. If she survives in your game she'll have a cameo: Tali will return to the migrant fleet to take her father's place on the admiralty board.
...Now I'm depressed.[/quote]
I really don't think so.  Almost every character can be dead now, except for Liara.
They are NOT going to come up with an entirely new cast and relegate everyone else to cameos.  There are many good reasons for this.
1) It would be more work to invent a lot of new characters rather than simply including continuations for the previous ones, even if not all of them are seen by some players (just increases replay value anyway)
2) It makes almost all of the choices and quests we undertake in ME2 completely meaningless
3) Bioware is a developer than builds RPGs on the backs of its stellar characters; removing all the characters that we've gotten to know and love decreases players emotional involvement in the story.
4) It doesn't make sense, story-wise, that the loyal crew you spent a whole game building would simply leave.
5) This is a trilogy, and the last chapter of a trilogy is typically about resolution.  The final battle happens and the relationships between the characters are worked out.  This is not the time to be starting up new relationships.
6) There has already apparently been an interview where a Bioware dude said to expect the same characters, maybe with a couple new faces
[/quote]

Thank you for this post, although we are pretty sure and have reasons to back our concerns up, that she will be back with a major role in ME3.
I will now escort you out of this thread, sir.
My point is, what you're saying is wrong. They won't just push Tali off the cliff like that, same with Garrus. The reason they put them in ME2 on the first place is because they were most popular, which is why they'll continue with them.
You'll see. Just wait.

[/quote]
I pray to god you are right. But it's just silly to say that you know I'm wrong. I mean, I remember people saying we were wrong when we said that Liara would probably be a cameo in ME2.

Also, I don't understand why you would want me out of this thread. I mean, up untill a couple of weeks ago I enjoyed being a very active member of the Tali community (I've been onboard since summer 2007). I go on hiatus for a bit to play the game and all of the sudden you "are pretty sure and have reasons" to know she'll have a major role in ME3, and I have to leave the thread... Wow. Things change around here quickly.[/quote]

Pretty sure just didn't like the way you worded it, you did say that 'Tali will be" a cameo in ME3, also thats why this thread exists to make sure that doesn't happen, Bouncers are getting restless, there havn't been any trolls to take out in a while rofl
[/quote]
Hmm, if that was the reason than it would be because of very selective reading on his part. Also, mistaking a post with an actual argument (if I may say so myself) for trolling is just silly.

[BLACKOUT228]

I love all the ideas for how the game may end. But I have 100% faith in Bioware. They had this set as a trilogy to begin with. I'm sure their amazing story telling skills are at work right now designing an epic and mind blowing ending. How ever they decide to end the game will work for me. Now if 2012 or whenever its coming out will hurry up and get here...

[Sageless Ranger]

ussbones wrote...

Does anyone else find the other fan threads funny? Tali's will be at 300 pages around 3am, where as the other threads have died down, or just died at 15 pages haha

They are not as dedicated as the us Tali fans  

[LundyFaber]

hey-yo! tali ftw!! 5000 posts in 3 days...geeze...keep it up!

[Handren]

ussbones wrote...

Does anyone else find the other fan threads funny? Tali's will be at 300 pages around 3am, where as the other threads have died down, or just died at 15 pages haha

Don`t hate on the other charachters/LI's and their fans. That talk breeds haters and trolls.

I've been on the internet for over 10 years now, I know this S***.

Modifié par Handren, 05 février 2010 - 11:41 .