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And since Tali CAN be killed in ME2, it follows that she will not be a major character in ME3. This is not what I want, but it seems to be the obvious route. If she survives in your game she'll have a cameo: Tali will return to the migrant fleet to take her father's place on the admiralty board.
...Now I'm depressed.
I really don't think so. Almost every character can be dead now, except for Liara.
They are NOT going to come up with an entirely new cast and relegate everyone else to cameos. There are many good reasons for this.
1) It would be more work to invent a lot of new characters rather than simply including continuations for the previous ones, even if not all of them are seen by some players (just increases replay value anyway)
2) It makes almost all of the choices and quests we undertake in ME2 completely meaningless
3) Bioware is a developer than builds RPGs on the backs of its stellar characters; removing all the characters that we've gotten to know and love decreases players emotional involvement in the story.
4) It doesn't make sense, story-wise, that the loyal crew you spent a whole game building would simply leave.
5) This is a trilogy, and the last chapter of a trilogy is typically about resolution. The final battle happens and the relationships between the characters are worked out. This is not the time to be starting up new relationships.
6) There has already apparently been an interview where a Bioware dude said to expect the same characters, maybe with a couple new faces
I'm not saying that everyone will be reduced to cameo status; I'm saying that Tali will be.
1. Yes. But we've seen them do it before. Remember Mass Effect 2? Remember how there are a ton of new character in that game? Remember how most ME1 characters got sidelined ("to make sure they won't die" - which is just marketing bullsh**)?
2. Yes. Remember how a lot of things you did in ME1 hardly affect events in ME2?
3. Really? So how come they sidelined most of their great characters from ME1? Sales figures show that people don't really care.
4. Indeed. Remember ME1 -> ME2. Yeah...
5. True. Like I said, I don't think the entire cast will be cameo'd; but Tali will.
6. A "couple of new faces"? Really? That would underscore my point.
Again, I'm not saying that all characters from ME1 and ME2 will get the cold shoulder, but I also don't think it is wise to think that BioWare will make the ultimate fanservice game which includes all the characters from the first two games. That's just way too many characters; no way they will be able to fit them all in. Therefore, some characters have to go. Since BioWare has been touting how the ME1 characters were only sidelined for a while ("so they will be sure they survive") it has to be a part of the ME2 cast that will be returning as cameos. Tali is an obvious candidate because of the story hooks that are in place. Also, she and Garrus are the only two characters who have had two full games worth of time to be developed as characters. Writing story is hard for characters that have been so extensively developed. All other characters have only been on the team for one game, so there is a lot more room writers to come up with new story material for these characters.
Don't say that Tali will return because BioWare relies on its stellar characters. Wrex was one of the most popular characters of ME1; look at what happened to him. BioWare will make the game they want to make, regardless of what fans think--because they know that fans will eventually accept it anyway (have you seen ME2's sales figures?)
Again, I want Tali to be in ME3 more than anything else (I was very active in the old forums in the Tali love threads before she was a love interest) but I'm not going to deny the writing on the wall. I hope for a glorious last game with Tali, but I expect it to not happen.
Thank you for this post, although we are pretty sure and have reasons to back our concerns up, that she will be back with a major role in ME3.
I will now escort you out of this thread, sir.
My point is, what you're saying is wrong. They won't just push Tali off the cliff like that, same with Garrus. The reason they put them in ME2 on the first place is because they were most popular, which is why they'll continue with them.
You'll see. Just wait.
I pray to god you are right. But it's just silly to say that you know I'm wrong. I mean, I remember people saying we were wrong when we said that Liara would probably be a cameo in ME2.
Also, I don't understand why you would want me out of this thread. I mean, up untill a couple of weeks ago I enjoyed being a very active member of the Tali community (I've been onboard since summer 2007). I go on hiatus for a bit to play the game and all of the sudden you "are pretty sure and have reasons" to know she'll have a major role in ME3, and I have to leave the thread... Wow. Things change around here quickly.
Don't let it get to you. No one in this thread, not even Gay Warden who is the OP, has any legitimate authority to kick you nor anyone else out of the thread. That would be up to BioWare staff members and their moderators. I have seen no sign of them on this thread this past week, if at any point since the thread's inception.
I think some people have become quite fond of using certain lines such as the "let me escort you out, sir", etc. because one person used it and they thought it was cool and are now using it as well. Good intentions perhaps but somewhat overzealous in its application. Again, they have no legitimate authority nor does anyone else in this thread so we are all welcome to stay here. If someone has a real problem with you or anyone else just ask them to take it up with a true mod or BioWare staff member and you can discuss it internally. This is just chest beating and testosterone fueled bravado, in my opinion.
Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 06 février 2010 - 12:48 .