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[The Gay Warden]

I'll give you that one.

[Aethelwulf1066]

deusofnull wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yazman wrote...

A war is too dangerous when they don't have a planet. If they lose the fleet, then what do they have left? Its not like they have anywhere to go besides the citadel, which couldn't handle the inflow of millions of refugee Quarians.

Not to mention the Quarians are not welcome in Council space. The Council closed the Quarian embassy after the Geth revolted. A war between the Geth and the Quarians really does not stand to serve either faction, except for pure reasons of hubris. I wouldn't want to be part of the butcher's bill myself. Fight for something you believe in, sure, but wasted sacrifice is just that: wasted.

It could get to a point where they belive it isnt worth living on the fleet any longer.  Death in glory is preferable to stagnation in their ships.  I would hope for a peacful agreement reached between the Quarians and Geth, but this is an outcome that is not likely.

And at that point, they'd probably just settle on a new planet if the means to take out the Geth occupiers wasn't within their grasp. I don't think any of them would risk the death of their species in some final blaze of glory. They want their homeworld back, and they hate living on their flotilla, but they aren't stupid either.

I personally think peace between the Quarians and the Geth is very possible. Especially if you went the paragon route with the confrontation between Legion and Tali. Perhaps Legion could be an ambassador for the Geth?

[Yazman]

Yeah as long as we can keep Xen quiet, we can avoid a disastrous war.

[Collider]

To be honest I don't really fault the Quarians for the Geth war. The Geth are machines and were probably viewed as such. The Quarians had thought the Geth's programming were innocuous and would only serve to make them more useful servants. Instead, they start asking philosophical questions which both could damage their potential for servitude (do you want your servant robot doing tasks for you or standing there thinking about the meaning of life?) and hints that the Geth could start disobeying and potentially becoming dangerous. Since they are just seen as machines, it's not as if they are committing genocide upon an innocent race, it's shutting down machines which are malfunctioning. They didn't expect the Geth to fight back.

[The_KFD_Case]

Rip504 wrote...

I really wanted to see Humanity stand up for(and with)the Quarian race and help them get a homeworld...

There are different ways to show support. Warfare is one way, though I would argue that if it is possible to support the Quarians and regain their homeworld without bloodshed then isn't that an even greater show of support than throwing thousands, possibly millions, of lives in to the meat grinder?

[Festeryouth82]

marshalleck wrote...

Yazman wrote...

They don't need a war to get their homeworld back. The Geth don't even really want it anyway.

Someone just needs to gag Admiral Xen long enough for diplomatic exchanges to take place.

HA! Sounds like we would need a Renegade Shepherd!

[Rip504]

Quarians acting out of fear of losing control...not a way to save their race???The Geth reacted to the Quarians just as violently,killing millions and running them from their homeworld.

And as the second part I don't even know where you are coming from with that bs.

Half the Geth also willing joined the Reapers set up invasions in human space?AI assumes it is superior,when a race is superior so are their goals...The Geth are not inocent in this.

[Aethelwulf1066]

Rip504 wrote...

Yea what you quoted pretty much said it was the Quarians fault,but not wrong IMO .And not wrong to want to take your home back.

Wrong? Correct me if I -am- wrong, but it seems that the Quarians provoked the conflict in the first place, simply because the Geth were becoming independent. What would have happened had the Quarians tried a peaceful solution to the Geth problem, instead of just trying to shut them down (Which is the equivalent of murdering them.)?

And there's nothing wrong with them wanting their world back, but the Quarians are to blame for everything that's happened to them.

[Yazman]

Rip504 wrote...

Quarians acting out of fear of losing control...not a way to save their race???The Geth reacted to the Quarians just as violently,killing millions and running them from their homeworld.
And as the second part I don't even know where you are coming from with that bs.
Half the Geth also willing joined the Reapers set up invasions in human space?AI assumes it is superior,when a race is superior so are their goals...The Geth are not inocent in this.

But it wasn't half, it was only around 5%

[Rip504]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I really wanted to see Humanity stand up for(and with)the Quarian race and help them get a homeworld...

There are different ways to show support. Warfare is one way, though I would argue that if it is possible to support the Quarians and regain their homeworld without bloodshed then isn't that an even greater show of support than throwing thousands, possibly millions, of lives in to the meat grinder?

Didn't say humans had to die for it.But turn on the news America didn't "talk it over"with anyone we disagree with.War will never change,and it will never go away.When 2 disagree over the same thing,sometime war is the only answer.Do you honestly think Organics and the Reapers are gonna come to a peaceful solution?

[GuyWithFace]

Well, it's nearly 4:30am, and I haven't been able to think of anything halfway-decent enough to contribute, so I'm off to bed. Night all.

[monika26]

Just started another playthrough here. One of the more annoying parts of every playthrough for me is the wait to recruit Tali! It always seems like it takes forever!

[Rip504]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Yea what you quoted pretty much said it was the Quarians fault,but not wrong IMO .And not wrong to want to take your home back.

Wrong? Correct me if I -am- wrong, but it seems that the Quarians provoked the conflict in the first place, simply because the Geth were becoming independent. What would have happened had the Quarians tried a peaceful solution to the Geth problem, instead of just trying to shut them down (Which is the equivalent of murdering them.)?

And there's nothing wrong with them wanting their world back, but the Quarians are to blame for everything that's happened to them.

So Geth killing of millions and driving the Quarian race from their rightful homeworld was the "Right"thing to do?

[Dark_Caduceus]

Yazman wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Quarians acting out of fear of losing control...not a way to save their race???The Geth reacted to the Quarians just as violently,killing millions and running them from their homeworld.
And as the second part I don't even know where you are coming from with that bs.
Half the Geth also willing joined the Reapers set up invasions in human space?AI assumes it is superior,when a race is superior so are their goals...The Geth are not inocent in this.

But it wasn't half, it was only around 5%

Yup, I believe Legion said it was around 5-10%, a small minority, they only decided, just like Saren that surredner was preferable to extinction. The geth are incapable of being evil, or innocent for that matter. They just mull over issues at the speed of light then act on what they deem the most logical course of action.

[Yazman]

Yeah I hear that monika. You need to recruit Mordin & Garrus before you can get her isn't it?

[Aethelwulf1066]

Rip504 wrote...

Quarians acting out of fear of losing control...not a way to save their race???The Geth reacted to the Quarians just as violently,killing millions and running them from their homeworld.
And as the second part I don't even know where you are coming from with that bs.
Half the Geth also willing joined the Reapers set up invasions in human space?AI assumes it is superior,when a race is superior so are their goals...The Geth are not inocent in this.

If someone threatened to kill me, for no reason whatsoever, i'd sure as hell fight back. They retaliated in order to save their own species from extinction.

The heretics are a bit like Chaos worshippers in Warhammer 40,000. Some people inevitably fall to chaos, but that doesn't mean they're all bad. It's like a bad faction of the Geth, but not representative of the race as a whole.

I never found Legion to be arrogant. Maybe that's just me. He simply states that the Geth want to exist, and create their own future. What's arrogant or superior about that? It's quite like every other race in the galaxy.

[Rip504]

Ok it wasn't half just 5%,didn't know the exact number now try to debunk what I say.

[Scy Lancer]

Anyone seen Bicentennial man staring Robin Williams? It's almost along those lines. When does the machine turn into an actual member of society instead of a tool for society?

I think an alliance will happen, or (I forgot who brought it up but it was good.) the Geth will sacrifice themselves to save organics.

Put the statue of the Geth next to the Krogan in the Citadel.

[The_KFD_Case]

deusofnull wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yazman wrote...

A war is too dangerous when they don't have a planet. If they lose the fleet, then what do they have left? Its not like they have anywhere to go besides the citadel, which couldn't handle the inflow of millions of refugee Quarians.

Not to mention the Quarians are not welcome in Council space. The Council closed the Quarian embassy after the Geth revolted. A war between the Geth and the Quarians really does not stand to serve either faction, except for pure reasons of hubris. I wouldn't want to be part of the butcher's bill myself. Fight for something you believe in, sure, but wasted sacrifice is just that: wasted.

It could get to a point where they belive it isnt worth living on the fleet any longer.  Death in glory is preferable to stagnation in their ships.  I would hope for a peacful agreement reached between the Quarians and Geth, but this is an outcome that is not likely.

Possible, though even the Quarian admiral in favour of war mentions that they would need to keep their non-combatants out of any fighting. These people are at the top of the Quarian leadership because they have likely earned their way to it (and possibly with some politicking) and that includes putting their people's collective destiny/survival above all else. Such a selfless mentality is further echoed in one of Tali's romance dialogues with Shepard in the Core room.

[DarchAngelDavid]

Rip504 wrote...

Quarians acting out of fear of losing control...not a way to save their race???The Geth reacted to the Quarians just as violently,killing millions and running them from their homeworld.
And as the second part I don't even know where you are coming from with that bs.
Half the Geth also willing joined the Reapers set up invasions in human space?AI assumes it is superior,when a race is superior so are their goals...The Geth are not inocent in this.

The Herotic faction of the Geth need to be put down but I think it will not go well if the Quarians try to do this on their own.  Their numbers are way to small and they wouldnt just take the fight to the side that needs killing.  I would love for them to have their home again but not if it is going to end their race and not if it will kill the Geth that are not fighting them.  It is easy to lose focus and not think about change when you have been fighting for 300 years.  Everyone that is fighting now wasnt even a part of the original issue.  Now that Tali knows about the civil unrest within the Geth she should pass this information to the fleet and help arange a sit down.  They can work together to stop the Herotic Geth and live in peace on the home world while still maintaining their large fleet just in case.

[Rip504]

Fight for your survial is one thing,If the Quarians wouldn't have left the Geth would have killed them all.

[The_KFD_Case]

Barker673 wrote...

Wow, this thread is long...

I'd be surprised if the Devs didn't put Tali in ME3 now.

"Do the words, 'Political ****storm' meaning anything to you?"

P.S I completely agree with this thread. All of it.

Argh! Which movie or show did I hear that line in recently?!