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Link9us wrote...

I can not believe you just said that! This has to be the worst analogy i have ever seen. It is a game for peat sakes, nothing is supposed to seem "realistic" You sound like some one that is tottaly anti rpg or just not much of a gamer. saying something really stupid like that. Where does all the items go? lol I mean come on! Surely you can come up with something more intelegent then that!


While games aren't supposed to be realistic to be fun, Mass Effect's inventory system left much to be desired in my opinion, as someone who only got into Mass Effect in order to be prepared for Mass Effect 2. ME1's inventory system required you to sludge through your scrollbar to arrange/find the item you want, and most of the items you pick up are more or less similar to each other, just with different names and stats. And don't get me started on the buy/sell/buyback mechanic, which while easy to use early on, became incredibly tedious as you got more items. Realism may not make a game more fun, but a system as tedious and frustrating as ME1's inventory system is hardly fun either. I ended up disposing most of the items I had for omni-gel or sold for credits.  There's also the fact that when buying items, you had no way to accurately preview that weapon or item's appearance: The Master Spectre Predator X H Armor is shown as a grey/black camouflaged box in the preview, and yet the actual armor has a dark green/light green camouflage.

Mass Effect 2 may no longer have hundreds of differently statted and named guns to choose from, but in it's place is a system where you choose from a few weapons but with clearly distinct abilities, ex the two sniper rifles you can choose, the Mantis and the Viper, is different in that the former is a powerful sniper rifle with limited ammo capacity and single-shot magazine, and the the latter is a semi-auto rifle with massive ammo capacity that sacrifices attack power.

Also, the Armor system in ME2 allows you to add/remove components to the standard N7 armor to make it look unique, and you can even change the armor's color scheme. Want a blue/pink digital camo color scheme on your Shepard, or other appealing/disgusting color options? You can do it here, unlike in ME1 where you had to get stuck with whatever color scheme of armor you have.

And the people here before are overreacting about not being able to change equipment: You can't change equipment during a mission (Unless you come across Weapons Lockers on that area), but you always have the option of doing so while in the Normandy. Besides, how many times have people actually switched out their loadouts in the middle of battle in ME1? From what I usually hear and from my own experience, people often stick to a single particular loadout whenever they're engaged in combat, often using the weapon with the highest stats. You can't swap out ammo mods anymore, but you do have Ammo powers that act much more effectively, allowing you to switch the type of ammo you use -during- battle, rather than having to go through your inventory screen to do it.

Then there's EXP. Tell me, given Mass Effect 1's engaging combat, did people actually notice levelling up during the middle of firefights? I'm sure many of us did, but I bet most of you thought of wanting to finish off the enemy first before sinking points into EXP. Mass Effect 2 simply makes sure that the EXP from a mission is compiled as a total that's handed at the end of each mission, instead of during a mission, which helps players keep their focus on combat.

Mass Effect 2 is not a perfect game, but to call it out on "dumbing down" and "lack of customization" is hardly intelligent, given that the things it replaces the systems in ME1 with work much better in the overall scheme of things.

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what everyone else has been saying, like tech tv, IGN, amazon and bioware.

To be completely honest besides massive bribery on EA´s part there´s not much that can explain all the 10/10 reviews for ME2.
It´s more like a 8/10.

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The main plot might not be as good as in the first game


Serously? :huh: omg and i thought the 2nd game would have a better plot, at least thats what everyone else has been saying, like tech tv, IGN, amazon and bioware. Wow what a freaken let down!

Ah come on, I'm just one person and I'm not even a reviewer. I'd actually trust them more than me. And it is a good plot, but the first one was even better imo. But perhaps that was just because the ME universe was new to me then, I don't know.

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I don't wanna discuss if ME2 is or not an RPG. Definetly has less RPG elements... but also the game is much fun this time IMHO. The mix between RPG and action on ME1 doesn't work properly, and I thing that this turn over action gameplay works wonders. Still there are some problems, it's not a perfect game, but as I said for me is fun as hell.



And the character stories are very, very good. So, is ME2 one of the better RPGs ever made? Maybe not. But is one of the best games I ever played.

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Most are just trolls anyway, those who want to tell everyone about their disappointment just use anger and threats as a way to get their point across, which is sad. I'm open for critisicm about the game but i lose all respect for threads that disrespect Bioware, their staff and other people on these boards.

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Gaddmeister wrote...

Link9us wrote...


The main plot might not be as good as in the first game


Serously? :huh: omg and i thought the 2nd game would have a better plot, at least thats what everyone else has been saying, like tech tv, IGN, amazon and bioware. Wow what a freaken let down!

Ah come on, I'm just one person and I'm not even a reviewer. I'd actually trust them more than me. And it is a good plot, but the first one was even better imo. But perhaps that was just because the ME universe was new to me then, I don't know.


ME1 --> Best Main Story
ME2 --> Best characters and secondary plots

I like both.

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Link9us wrote...



The main plot might not be as good as in the first game


Serously? :huh: omg and i thought the 2nd game would have a better plot, at least thats what everyone else has been saying, like tech tv, IGN, amazon and bioware. Wow what a freaken let down!


The main plot is one thing that ME2 doesn't trump ME1 yes unfortunately, since objectively it can be summed up to "enemy does bad things, hero goes out and assembles team to stop them culminating in final battle". However, what Mass Effect 2 succeeds over ME1 is in fleshing out said details of the story into an emotionally engaging series of stories. Mass Effect 2 is less about saving the galaxy from a larger threat than it is about the story of the characters who have been tasked with that near-impossible job. Each of your crewmates have interesting stories to tell depending on your taste, and their loyalty missions are some of the more engaging I've seen in any RPG, now with decisions that are even more ambiguous than in ME1. Not only that, but the revelations to many of ME1's supposedly cased-closed facts are thrown into new lights that'll make you wonder (case in point: the Geth). This is a game that makes you THINK about what each of the main characters you're helping actually went through, and it's helped by ME2's improved dialogues over ME1.

ME2 also offers way more variety in the sidequests and gameplay. Like

*Spoilers*







- Killing one of your recruited characters to recruit a fugitive you're supposed to be killing
- Playing as Joker
- Playing entire missions without firing a single shot
- Playing as Shepard alone with no squad mates.
- Fighting through fog where you can hardly see your enemies









*Spoiler End*




And etc. You're free to think of the main plot with the Collectors however you like, but it'd be a big mistake to not get into ME2 with the expectation of it having a "weaker" story.

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JRCHOharry wrote...

Most are just trolls anyway, those who want to tell everyone about their disappointment just use anger and threats as a way to get their point across, which is sad. I'm open for critisicm about the game but i lose all respect for threads that disrespect Bioware, their staff and other people on these boards.


Well im deffinitly not one of those people. I love bioware and the games they have brought to us. This topic is merely just to get more answers from people bout the game. Because i was looking at all the hate on the forums and is wondering why everyone is bashing the game so bad.

Yeah Death to all the trolls!

STORM OF THE CENTURY!! :devil:

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Why don't you just start playing it then and make your own opinion.

Personally, I'm wondering just how many times people played through ME1 if they consider that system to be better than ME2's. Before ME2 came out, I was going through a 4th playthrough, but even that was annoying because of the tedium of the Mako, constantly re-equipping squad members, and omni-gelling. I also really hated getting that loading message when going from one side of the Mako bay to the other side.

Anyway, doing everything in ME1 would usually take me around 40 hours or so, and that's mainly from having to trek around everywhere with the Mako. Now compare that to ME2, which took me over 60 hours to do everything that I could find, which I probably didn't find everything since I was only level 26 before the final mission. ME2 has no Mako, no tedious inventory management, and no need to spend more than a few seconds equipping teammates. ME2 eliminated a huge amount of the time-consuming and boring stuff and replaced it with more good content overall.

Personally, I prefer the research of ME2 since it reminds me of X-Com.

Modifié par FFLB, 02 février 2010 - 01:09 .


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Subject One wrote...

ME1 --> Best Main Story
ME2 --> Best characters and secondary plots

I like both.


I agree completely. But the much more evolved secondary plots and quests and refined combat of ME2 makes that game more fun, at least to me.

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Don't listen to the negativity. What you hear are the few really negative people because they are really loud and never shut up. This game is amazing. Watch the reviews for it on G4 tech TV's site and Gamestop. They prettymuch nail it on the head. It is a nearly perfect game and the only thing that could be considered a tiny flaw is the mining on planets for materials is a little tedious.

A game that is 99% perfect will be criticized by those loud annoying negative people because that 1% isn't quite perfect. Watch the reviews and judge for yourself

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96% aggregate score on Metacritic should tell you just how "bad" Mass Effect 2 is.

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Link9us wrote...


The main plot might not be as good as in the first game


Serously? :huh: omg and i thought the 2nd game would have a better plot, at least thats what everyone else has been saying, like tech tv, IGN, amazon and bioware. Wow what a freaken let down!

Maybe you should play the game to forge your own opinion? :P
Judging a game from what others say is not a very realistic view/

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*shrug* I actually found the main plot to ME2 more engaging than ME1. It flows a lot better too. For all ME1's plot pushed the 'race against time' angle, they sure did force you to do a bunch of time wasting missions. Characterisation is more important for story telling purposes.

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Stonetwister wrote...

Don't listen to the negativity. What you hear are the few really negative people because they are really loud and never shut up. This game is amazing. Watch the reviews for it on G4 tech TV's site and Gamestop. They prettymuch nail it on the head. It is a nearly perfect game and the only thing that could be considered a tiny flaw is the mining on planets for materials is a little tedious.
A game that is 99% perfect will be criticized by those loud annoying negative people because that 1% isn't quite perfect. Watch the reviews and judge for yourself


There are issues with ME2, and some very legitimate questions about design decisions,  but a lot of the negativity is about those old-school Roll (yes, intentional) Players who can't deal with anything that isn't BG2 being called an RPG and particularly an RPG by Bioware.

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Link9us wrote...


The main plot might not be as good as in the first game


Serously? :huh: omg and i thought the 2nd game would have a better plot, at least thats what everyone else has been saying, like tech tv, IGN, amazon and bioware. Wow what a freaken let down!


The plot I find is fine, it's just that instead of one mega plot you have lots of smaller plots that help to define your comrades more, and I like it.  You could call ME2 stories of life in the Mass Effect Universe, as each side quest shows and develops different aspects of the galaxy and how people view them.  The main plot may not be 'omg shock horror awesome!" but it does build on what was before well and is more building things up for the third act (ME3) with some of the things it reveals and the questions it raises.  Think Empire Strikes Back:  the main characters don't really do much except get chased around by a guy in a black suit but it does set things up for Return of the Jedi.  Same thing here.

At least, that's what I think, thought I would present the opposing view so to speak. :)

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I have to say im really enjoying Mass effect the original game. I am actially probably one of the few that is still currently playing that game. I am trying to get as much enjoyment out of it as i can before moving onto to mass effect 2. I am a huge rpg fan, more so then FPS fan. My main reason for playing bioware's games is because they have rpg elements incorporated into them. Other wise i wouldn't be playing them.

I hear alot of hate towards mass effect 2, something bout downgrading all the rpg elements, no exp for kills and limited inventory, those sort of things. I am sort of ashamed cause i bought the game at full price and now all im hearing is negative comments from people. In fact on this forum there is more neagative comments then there is possitive comments. Is mass effect 2 really that bad? :( I was so hyped up for this game also and now im having second thoughts of even playing it. Though i probably will anyways just for the story.


The hate is overhyped. It is not a bad game at all. What made Mass Effect for me was the "interactive socializing" with the characters in the world; all the RPG elements like experience points, inventory management, and finding loot was secondary to me. Sure, I would have liked to see stuff like getting experience points from kills retained, but it's not enough for me to spew venom on the game. If you're expectations are similar to me, then you'll be happy with Mass Effect 2.

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I don't give a crap about all the hate, i love this game even more than the first part. Of course there are some things i don't like, but all in all it was an even greater experience than Mass Effect 1. And I absolutely love the first part, so that means something.

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I would not call a few dozen people on a message board a lot of hate towards ME2. Overall the game has been very well received. Sold over 2 million copies, it's getting ton of praise from almost every single video game review. Also it will more than likely rake in a ton of awards since it's getting better reviews then last years game of the year.



The only people complaining are the ones that miss the Mako, and wanted to collect 17 pieces of of the same Phoenix armor.

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Other than the non ability to remove my Collector helmet whilst doing shots and the occasional probs with Shep clipping himself through the ceiling, I'm having a great time.



ME1 was fun, ME2 is funner, just of a different sort.



Win - Win.



All other opinions are interesting, but I consider my credits well spent.

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ShadyKat wrote...

The only people complaining are the ones that miss the Mako, and wanted to collect 17 pieces of of the same Phoenix armor.


I miss the mako but I'm definitely not complaining. :)  I don't miss collecting 17 pieces of Phoenix armour though, so maybe that's why...  ;)

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ME2 is probably bioware's most polished game to date in terms of gameplay and presentation. yea, there are some glitchs (on levels when you "float"), but the gameplay elements/inventory/skills all blend seamless together. It puts the emphasis on you in the role of Shepard instead of staring at menus sorting out an inventory/crunching stats. It's far better than ME1, the combat is so much more fluid and tactical.

not a perfect game, deserves the 9.6 rating though. The side quests are a little lacking. Scanning planets still better than wandering aimlessly with the mako.  they should give you some freedom to go pirating/smuggling/transport with the ship or something to earn money/resources instead of the scanning but can't win them all!

Modifié par Lequin, 02 février 2010 - 02:05 .


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its a great game it just lack weapons, powers and armour.

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It's great for one play through, but you may struggle with your second.

After the first play though you may find the experience to have been a little to shallow.