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[sleepy__head]

Your review is bias ...

What an absolutely fasinating phrase  The very statement is absurd.  By nature of the fact that this is my review and feedback it should be obvious that the opinions expressed here are entirely my own.  I posted them for the devs, they can consider or ignore them.  I will say this again even though it was clearly stated in my original post.  This is feedback for the devs.  Some people can't seem to accept that folks CAN post their views on a public forum for the devs and not be required to meet with the stamp of approval from these self appointed authorities who might not be "biased" (lol).  If those people love or hate certain aspects of the game that happen to be different than mine, by all means create posts to praise or criticize.  The fact that some of them think they can post stuff to change my mind when this thread is just input for the devs, is misguided if not bordering on arrogance.  Maybe the fact that I'm not seeking their opinion is what grates on these people's ego.  If someone disagrees with me, feel free to say so right in this thread.  If someone disagrees but then expect me to change my view based on whatever he might have said, then these people clearly don't realize that they lack the authority or superpower.   The devs might not read the forum (I think they definitely do).  They might disagree with everything, but that is up to THEM.  If you come here expecting to change my mind based on your view, realize that I'm not here to gain your approval, no matter how much some of these people might *need* me to do so.

People who have this pavlovian urge to dispute everything they see online that they don't agree with in a vain attempt to change another online person's mind is often the source of these arguements.  Know one's own boundaries.  In short, feel free to say your piece here even if you disagree.  But don't get offended if you can't change someone's mind.   If you do, then its your problem, not mine.

[sleepy__head]

-Inventory. If there is any other way to get credits in ME1 other than doing mission then That is far beyond me. In ME1 if i needed money i'd sell stuff. In ME2 if i need money, and there are no missions left... I'm screwed.

To be fair, in ME1 if you run out of missions/enemies and need money but have nothing to sell, you are screwed as well since there are no enemy respawn.  But the presence of an inventory system gives you a nice buffer.  One of my buddies played through ME2 on normal.  He is crazy he scanned every planet and mined everything down to Depleted status, so he probably wasted a lot of money on fuel and probes even though they don't cost a lot unless you do a lot of exploring.  By the end of his game he lacked money to do 3 upgrades even though he did every possible mission out there.   But he had like 600k of each resource excluding esso.  Its odd that you can't sell irridium or platinum if you are straped for cash.

In my first play through I had about 150k of palladium sitting around collecting dust and I couldn't sell it.

[Sursion]

You know, if you didn't work for Cerberus, you would not have the Normandy, and you would not know or be able to contact any of your crew.



That doesn't make for a very successful suicide mission. Not to mention they brought you back to life and gave you a second chance.



I still told TIM to F off, but if it was a real life situation, I would definitely work with them. They're the only ones that share my goals of stopping the reapers and saving the galaxy, and their willing to fund it for me.

[Myrmedus]

sleepy__head wrote...

- Suspension of Belief, Cerberus.  Grade : D.  Sorry folks, I don't buy that the organization that I've been kicking up and down the streets in ME1 suddenly becomes this all powerful, near omnipotent and omniscience organization, who can magically bring back the dead.  Ignore the fact that you have been dead for 2 years.  Ignore that Shepard would have burnt up during re-entry of the planet where Normandy was destroyed at.  It suspends my belief to imagine that they can duplicate Normandy in complete secret.  And somehow, people like Joker and Chawas (who knows way better about Cerberus) would happily join them because, apparently they have nothing better to do.  In ME2, the Alliance, the Councils, all their spectres, and all their STGs, and all the other races are utterly blind, deaf and foolish.  Nope, sorry, don't buy that.

I don't agree with this. Cerberus is a SHADOW ORGANIZATION - do you know what one of those is? It's an organization that is primarily clustered and the vast majority of its members work in duality - ie. a member can often be a member of the Shadow Organization AND in the official Army. In ME2's case a member can be in Cerberus AND in the Alliance (though we don't see many of these characters unfortunately, and this is a weakness I would agree with), or in Cerberus AND the chairman of Synthetic Insights. Shadow Organizations are huge and wealthy because they have the resources and inclusion of individuals in high positions within society and corporations, and because they have such powerful members they are able to mask their activities appropriately as they're usually have officials that 'report' this kind of thing in their pockets.

- Stuck in geometry.  Grade C-.  With such a complex game I can understand if the testers miss some bad spots on the map.  But I even got stuck and somehow ended up standing ON TOP of another party member.  I couldn't move.  He couldn't move.  Need to improve testing in this area.

Got to agree here I got stuck in walls and on unclipped tables alot in ME2 - probably 6 times in a single playthrough; thank God for the autosave function.

- Smoking.  Grade D-.  To Bioware writers, hollywood had by now given up on trying to stick a cigarette on every badguy to make them look badder.  It doesn't make a NPC cool.  It doesn't make him badass.  Kids play this game, and this isn't the right message to send.  There are FAR better and more effective way to make TIM look "t3h pwnz" and "l33t".  Yes, it requires more work and thoughts, but this tired old cliche needs to go.  Get rid of that cigarette, the only thing it shows is a lack of originality on the part of the writer.

Are you actually serious? Dude, the game is a 15. Pick the damn thing up and look at the age restriction on the FRONT COVER - 15 years old; you can SMOKE at 16 for God's sakes (at least here you can). Smoking is real. People smoke in reality. Mothers smoke. Fathers smoke. PEOPLE smoke. By actually having a character that smokes you induce some realism into the game. If kids are playing the game then that's their parents fault for letting them play a game that specifically states on its front cover it ain't for them - should we dumb down every 15+ videogame and movie now because kids MIGHT watch movies not intended for them because their parents are dumb?

I also find this hugely ironic because this is the same game where Krogans get set alight and die slowly, people are fed poison, your character can smash a female news reporter in the face and you probably kill over 1000 sentient beings - and you're complaining about SMOKING?!

Modifié par Myrmedus, 03 février 2010 - 12:18 .

[Myrmedus]

sleepy__head wrote...

gethsemani87 wrote...

There are several points in your post that I dsagree with, and some are admitedly grey zones (like the overheat-expendable heat sink) but I still feel we need to go over the plot one last time.

Paragon works just fine if you put a little more thought into it. So, follow my train of thought here:
1. The Reapers are coming to exterminate all space faring races in the galaxy.
2. The Council found no evidence that Sovereign was anything but a very fancy Geth-ship and apart from Shepard constantly screaming about the Reaper Menace, no one else knows about them. Ie. Their (quite logical, I might add) conclusion is that it probably was just the Geth trying to invade Citadel space, albeit be it with a clever plan.
3. Shepard DIED two years ago and suddenly reappears in a ship from a Pro-human terrorist organization (or did you expect Cerberus to drop Shepard off so s/he could commute back to the Citadel?) and is asking to be reinstated as a SPECTRE to once more go after the Reapers. This time outside of Citadel Space and Jurisdiction.
4. Combine 2 and 3 and you come to realize that the Council isn't intrested anymore. Shepard saved their asses, sure. But Shepard is still seen as a crazy fear mongerer and is seemingly in league with a terrorist group.
5. Showing good faith to the Council is out of the question, because the Collector threat is imminent. You can't spend several months letting the Council pick apart the SR-2 and the Alliance is so short on manpower they can't even keep up with their regular duties.

All this boils down into:
6. Shepard has to face the fact that Cerberus is the only organization willing to help him/her against the Collectors and the Reapers. If you truly are a Paragon you will put the lives of countless billions of civilians from all races and their survival above your own petty need for not getting involved with a clandestine organization. Seriously, doing anything else qualifies as Lawful Stupid in the extreme. Is Shepard going to sulk in a corner while the Collectors complete their plan to let the Reapers back into the glaxy? Or is S/he going to (wo)man up and go out to save everyone in the galaxy again?

Basically you are saying the ends justify the means.  I disagree with that philosophy.  Whether your or I is correct or incorrect is rather irrevelant, because my point is that a RPG should give you the choice to make either stand.  In ME2, you are only given one choice.

Then you wouldn't succeed as a soldier to any degree which is a problem because you're playing a soldier in the game. The world isn't roses and kittens, you can't do good to someone without doing bad to someone else. It's the wise old saying: it's going to get alot worse before it gets better.

[JnEricsonx]

I think some people are complaining WAY too much. Put it to you this way-I've been drooling for this game since November 2007. The 2nd day I played this, I played off and on for the better part of 24 HOURS. It was at the point where I looked up and said: "Hey, the sun's up. And...holy crap its snowing!" I'll admit I miss some of the inventory, I miss the various weapons, etc, and I do admit it'd be nice to tweak the ammo amounts for, oh, say Heavy Pistol by like 30% or so, but overall I. LOVED. THIS. GAME. Already on 2nd playthrough, my first playthrough I saved EVERYONE. Bring on ME 3 Bioware, you've got my 60 bucks coming. And oh yeah, DLC will be cool too, I wanna bring my snipers o' death on some late game missions(Garrus/Thane/Legion)

[vietnamsquirrel]

The smoking.... really? You actually put that in your review? The game is rated M the kids are exposed to waaay more things than just cigarettes... and from an NPC no doubt.. Also if you actually put that in the factor then you have to put Jack's outfit in factor also. Cmon man Smoking.. really?

[Myrmedus]

I know I couldn't believe the inclusion of smoking I mean jesus christ. To include smoking in there as a negative you really HAVE to be on a crusade to nitpick the game.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 03 février 2010 - 12:19 .

[Series5Ranger]

eldanori wrote...

Having it be Cerberus that saves you makes no sense. In ME1, they were not presented as a pro-human organisation, doing what was best for human interests. They were a terrorist organisation with various cells doing questionable research, not only on aliens, but also on humans, and acting against human interests (undermining the Alliance, killing soldiers, killing Admirals). The Cerberus of ME2 is not the same organisation, and writing it off as "oh, that was our military branch, they're rogues" is a rather poor cop-out.
 

Actually yes it is. Talk to EDI after her blocks are off.... She mentions that Cerberus has a certain number of Different Cells all acting independently of each other. Each Cell doesn't know about what the others are doing and couldn't recognize another Cell if they ran into them. Obviously im ME 1 Shepard was actively pursuing one specific cell.

[vietnamsquirrel]

I love Mass Effect and this review won't stop me from loving it

[GnB Epro]

To comment on the Cerberus claim, if you read the ME books, they turn out to progress as a very powerful organization

[sleepy__head]

JnEricsonx wrote...

I think some people are complaining WAY too much.

You mean like how some of these people are only focused on attacking my criticisms of the game and yet completely ignoring that there is a long list of praises, not to mention that at the top I gave the game an A- to begin with?  If these people are so focused on the negatives and yet they complained about me having complaints in a review that contains good and bad things, that is about as hypocritical as one can get.

[elucid07]

Lukertin wrote...

elucid07 wrote...
Justified, legalised, sanctioned or otherwise - you're still killing a f*ckton of people who are just doing their jobs. That my boy, is murder.

Justified killing is not murder.  Murder is the illegal or unjustified killing of another.  Ms. Shepard the Paragon kills out of self-defense, or as the agent of a law enforcement group tasked with removing extremely dangerous people into custody.

And shooting the other freelance mercs in the back on the Archangel mission is self defense? Nope, that's cold blooded betrayal and murder.

Doesn't matter what law you spin it in to, murder is murder. Whilst there is a legal definition of murder, it's still the act of killing another living being. Whilst not entirely relevant in this situation (given that you are also killing aliens), let me give you the definition of homicide:

hom⋅i⋅cide  [hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-]  Show IPA–noun1.the killing of one human being by another.2.a person who kills another; murderer.

Doesn't specifiy anything to do with justification.

It's funny how a someone who shoots 1 person in a dispute is a murderer, but one man taking out a thousand in a war is a hero.

I see no distinction - killing is killing, no matter how you try and twist the facts.

sleepy__head wrote...

Justified, legalised, sanctioned or otherwise - you're still killing a f*ckton of people who are just doing their jobs. That my boy, is murder.

Please bother to check the common definition of murder for your relevant country before joining this discussion.  Just because you declare something is such and such does not make it so you can use it as a de facto gospel in an arguement.  I'll even give you one for free, from WIkipedia : "Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)."  Now consider that every red enemies in the game will fire at you as soon as you get in range, defending yourself isn't murder.  Want an example of a murder?  You defeat the owner of Chora's Den, he surrenders, and you blow him away anyway after talking to him.  Another example : Saren popping Nihlus in the back of the head in mid conversation.  Next.

And do leave your profanity at the door.  Using typing tricks to bypass the forum's profanity filter is most definitely a renegade act, and against forum policies to boot.

Read above. I just did. And I explained my view. Like it or not, you are killing on your OWN jusitifcation, just because you (or a law) say(s) it is justified, does not mean it is.

And do me a favour, jump down off your little high horse, because you're coming across as a self righteous idealistic ****.

Modifié par elucid07, 03 février 2010 - 08:10 .

[EhNam13]

The Ugly

1- Seeing an EA logo at the start of the game makes me Cringe...HATE it every time

2 -Liara every time I see her or Hear her I want to shoot her...LOL



The Good pretty much everything

[mgass]

Bigmike1107 wrote...

While i WILL not replay this game because i don't feel like having to deal with scanning, doing missions for money, and reacquiring ALL of my upgrades with no new armor as incentive. This game has gotten me more hyped up for ME3 than ME1 had me over ME2... if that made sense.

And that is just it... the element of scanning planets alone is enough to kill any desire to wish to replay this game.  It's not just tedious, it is downright medically unsound.  After scanning 2 planets, I have to put down the controller because my fingers hurt too bad.

There were elements of ME1 that weren't great, such as that one anomaly on top of the mountain and spending 5 minutes trying to get the mako to it, sure, but, NO WHERE near as bad as the pure love for pain it takes to scan planets in ME2.

Instead of merely fixing some elements of ME1 and expanding on a great game, the developers went to a whole new combat system, skill leveling, upgrades... and turned a great sci-fi action/rpg into a mediocre shooter.

There is no replayability value, much less desire to replay, a game that literally makes it painful to play.

As for those who think we don't have a right to complain, let me remind those people that after spending $65 for the game, like any consumer, we have the right to complain when the product we purchased is defective.

[elucid07]

mgass wrote...
As for those who think we don't have a right to complain, let me remind those people that after spending $65 for the game, like any consumer, we have the right to complain when the product we purchased is defective.

Whilst everything else you've said is fair enough in your opinion, I have to pull you up here.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's defective. The only 'defects' in ME2, really, are the bugs that pop up occasionally.

Everything else is exactly how the developers intended.

[Eladren]

mgass wrote...
As for those who think we don't have a right to complain, let me remind those people that after spending $65 for the game, like any consumer, we have the right to complain when the product we purchased is defective.

Please make very sure that you know what a word means before you use it.

[mgass]

elucid07 wrote...

mgass wrote...
As for those who think we don't have a right to complain, let me remind those people that after spending $65 for the game, like any consumer, we have the right to complain when the product we purchased is defective.

Whilst everything else you've said is fair enough in your opinion, I have to pull you up here.

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's defective. The only 'defects' in ME2, really, are the bugs that pop up occasionally.

Everything else is exactly how the developers intended.

And Bioware definitely doesn't need any more money from me until they get their act together.

If I wanted to play a third-rate shooter, I'd have bought any of the third-rate shooters on the market.  I bought ME2 because ME1 was such a great game with an original combat system.  What can we expect from ME3 when they've already turned ME2 into this abomination?

From what I've read in the threads, I'm probably 3/4 of the way through the game with about 40 hrs and 90% of those hours is from scanning planets!  Talk about a rip off!

[sleepy__head]

And do me a favour, jump down off your little high horse, because you're coming across as a self righteous idealistic ****.

Ahhh profanity again.  The surest sign that someone has run out of arguement and must resort to name calling.  The other posterwas right on.  But you go ahead and keep thinking whatever you wish, thats your own perogative.  Your new post also reported to moderators for profanity. 

Modifié par sleepy__head, 03 février 2010 - 10:17 .

[elucid07]

sleepy__head wrote...

And do me a favour, jump down off your little high horse, because you're coming across as a self righteous idealistic ****.

Ahhh profanity again.  The surest sign that someone has run out of arguement and must resort to name calling.  The other posterwas right on.  But you go ahead and keep thinking whatever you wish, thats your own perogative.  Your new post also reported to moderators for profanity. 

I didn't name call you. I merely stated that you were coming across that way, and your little reply has done nothing but reinforce that opinion. As it was censored, you didn't see what I actually said, whilst insulting, it was not necessarily profanity.

I've pushed my argument, and you ignored it, instead trying to prop yourself up on to some sort of moral highground, when you are only managing to present yourself as ever the larger fool.

Hey, if it helps you sleep at night - be my guest. At the end of the day, you're still a ******.

Modifié par elucid07, 03 février 2010 - 01:24 .

[Deltateam Elcor]

OP doesnt seem to get that the developers have a time set to finish certain aspects, if not their penalized.



Im sorry but this isnt the days of spending bucketloads of cash into developers, its the opposite now.

You cant make a game that pleases everyone.

[Bigmike1107]

I've been ghosting this forum since my post. Just this thread though. On the part.



-I'm pretty sure that after the cosmos was opened up to the humans the definition of alot of things changed drastically. I'll bet that murder was on the top of the list. Geneva convention was the second. And the definition of a citizen changed as well.



I can imagine the changes being something like: 'Human _________ to another human' to 'Sentient being ______________________ to another sentient being'.