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[h455566hh]

I have to agree with all the points OP provided in "Many Failures of ME2"



So far ME2 gets away on the sum of it's good features. If you take a look at them separetly they all are rather mediocore.

[badmammajamma04]

ABCoLD wrote...
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Repetitive Time Fillers (Hacking Minigame)
Completely agree that this needs to be reigned in and there need to be more creative ways to interact with the environment to gain money.
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Many good points, but this I actually disagree with.  The time it takes to get through the minigames is insignificant compared to what you can waste scanning planets.  And I thought they were leaps and bounds more creative than ME1 in designing the hacking and circuit minigames.  You no longer have a prompt telling Shepard to follow a sequence of magical floating x, y, a, and b buttons!  I'll even move to congratulate Bioware on this one.  I thought they were well thought out.  ...especially the hacking one (where you have to match up the small lines of text/code. 

[Veex]

Treekodar wrote...

Don't underestimate human intelligence. It will be made, eventually.

No it won't, because one man's well is another man's terrible, and human expectation grows exponentially more quickly than games develop.

[Erszebeth]

This article is trying too hard to nitpick to have any value whatsoever. Of course, no game is perfect and ME2 isn't but most complaints feel forced at best and sometimes idiotic.

[spernus]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Jaded hard-core western CRPG ass spewing bile over a popular action role playing game? Giving his advice and opinion like it's fact?

Huh

Don't worry about it,most of them will jump over to the Obsidian message boards and pray that alpha protocol doesn't end up being dumbed down for the masses while continually take shot at Bioware(or join the rpg codex? ).

[Veex]

Also find it funny that to this individual author BioWare has never, ever made a game higher than a 7.

[kab]

I think Mass Effect 2 is a great game with a lot of huge strengths. I also think this article is spot on. The two are not contradictory, it's really a testament to how well done it's strengths are that they overpower it's weaknesses, and those weaknesses are fortunately not game breaking.



It's good but it's not great, they did a lot poorly or mediocre at best. Pretending otherwise because we still love the game or the company doesn't help anyone.

[Twitchmonkey]

spernus wrote...
Don't worry about it,most of them will jump over to the Obsidian message boards and pray that alpha protocol doesn't end up being dumbed down for the masses while continually take shot at Bioware(or join the rpg codex? ).

The codex people likely don't even know that ME2 has released, they're too busy salivating over the next NetHack campaign, which is the most definitive RPG of all time.

Modifié par Twitchmonkey, 02 février 2010 - 07:16 .

[Schurge]

Bigeyez wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

Thank God for the one relatively objective review out there.

Calling that review objective is like calling Fox News fair and balanced. Please Refer to my tinfoil hat comment somewhere above.

Again with the Fox News stuff...

I do agree that Phaileas is dead wrong though. The fact that the reviewer hates a game while the majority of paid reviewers love it or alledgedly love it does not an objective review make.

[Nithrakis Arcanius]

The codex people likely don't even know that ME2 has released, they're too busy salivating over the next NetHack campaign, which is the most definitive RPG of all time.

There are several ME2 threads over there but it's mostly the typical BioWare hate circle jerk with a few posters supporting the game.

Modifié par Nithrakis Arcanius, 02 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[Elizire]

Calling ME2 a complete mess seems overly harsh. Still, there are a few good points.



I'm only 18 hours in, but I'm completely ready to stop scanning planets, hacking and bypassing. I miss the Omnigel based override system that lets you skip the mini-game.



Combat does have a certain sameness to it, just as ME1 did, and for that matter, every other game I've ever played. Ultimately, until designers come up with a way to mirror PnP's completely free form process of infinite tactical possibilities, at some point in every game, combat becomes very "rinse and repeat".



So far at least, the storyline has been very much driven by the whole team recruiting process. It works for me. Thematically at least, its different from the tried and true "visit 3 places, do sidequests, unlock final battle" pattern that most recent Bioware rpg's have followed.



So that's my 2 cents.



Overall, like every other game out there, ME2 is flawed and hardly perfect, but I'm still playing the H**l out of it and will do so until I've beaten every last Collector and Reaper I can find!

[Vornesoul]

Jaklar wrote...

This article is causing all hell to break loose at N4G; worth a read:

With an average score of 96 on Metacritic, one would be justified in
believing Mass Effect 2 has little room for improvement. An
overwhelming majority of so-called game critics have weighed-in,
predictably showering Bioware’s latest RPG with roses and garlands.
Bioware is one of a select number of game companies that receives a
+3 modifier in review scores. So take an average game that would
normally receive a 7, add Bioware’s name to the box, and oila! Instant
10. While this may be great for Bioware’s bottom-line, it’s actually a
grave disservice to the company and gamers, not to mention a glowing
example of everything that is wrong in game journalism; criticism
specifically.
Having played and finished Mass Effect 2, I can safely say, without
reservation or hesitation, that Bioware’s latest RPG is a complete
mess, from top-to-bottom and not a product worthy of Bioware’s heritage.

More at: The Many Failures of Mass Effect 2

You mean the article that YOU wrote and came here for shameless shelf promotion?

At least we know why you write for that site.

[freedman007]

i dont have any issue with all the dialog being in english i mean to create distinc sounding alien languages for every race might have bogged down the creative process of making this game and could have ended up sounding silly.

the only issue i have if any with the lack of alien language is that all the sighns and labels on the alien planets are written in english and i think thats true in both games. i dont think it would have been too onerous to add some alien looking script on a doorway  rather than a giant neon light that reads POLICE in english it just never seem to fit right.

but still i dont think that ruins the game in anyway

[Akee_90]

Many good points in that article. I'd like to see almost all the improvements in ME3. (except for the alien language one that wouldn't make any sense for the third part, plus I remember reading somewhere that the omnitool is an autotranslator of some sort). But way too harsh words used, if you wanted to not get overthrown by fanboys and hate, you should have made a more neutral title and used a more neutral tone. ME2 sure as hell wasn't a complete mess, but it wasn't perfect either.

[Blue_dodo]

an opinion is an opinion, bioware is not going to stop making me2 because people don't like, nor do people need to take someones opinion as a personal insult because it is not.



is the game great in my opinion hell yes,is it perfect no, but I really have few things to complain about except for the lack of armor and the bypass/hacking mini-games being a chore,but those are my opinion.



also an opinion can't be wrong since it is a subjective veiw bases on ones thoughts and feelings,this is diffrent from a fact.

[ABCoLD]

badmammajamma04 wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...
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Repetitive Time Fillers (Hacking Minigame)
Completely agree that this needs to be reigned in and there need to be more creative ways to interact with the environment to gain money.
....

Many good points, but this I actually disagree with.  The time it takes to get through the minigames is insignificant compared to what you can waste scanning planets.  And I thought they were leaps and bounds more creative than ME1 in designing the hacking and circuit minigames.  You no longer have a prompt telling Shepard to follow a sequence of magical floating x, y, a, and b buttons!  I'll even move to congratulate Bioware on this one.  I thought they were well thought out.  ...especially the hacking one (where you have to match up the small lines of text/code. 

I'm so totally with you on this point.   But this is the exact same complaint as I had with the combat and level design.   They're leaps and bounds beyond what they were in ME1, in fact they're not bad at all.  I just wish that they were great.  They tantalized me wth the hacking and bypass minigames.... and by the mid-point in the game they bludgeoned me to death with them.  My complaint is.... more, more, a thousand times more!  You've made mini-games that capture my attention and amuse me, please come up with more than two of them, because even these amusements get old around the twentyfifth time you do them.

[OutlawPunk]

with the exception of the alien languages i have to say i agree with everything in this article 100%. Bioware has really dissapointed me with Mass Effect 2. I'm just gonna play through it one time and really hope that Mass Effect 3 is more like the first game that i loved so much. I can't stress enough how dissapointed i am with mass effect 2. This really sucks too cause im out 60 bucks and i was so freaking exited for this game. what a huge let down.

[Chojin999]

Well a review cannot be objective. A Person will form an opinion. By defination that opinion is never objective. That is why a review is actually not that helpfull. I mean how many times has it happens that you see a movie, a reviewer gives it a low score, and you like it anyway. Or the other way around. Its all about personal preference. People who don't like ME2 or are dissapointed with it praise this article, people who like ME2 hate the article.

Let people think what they want. You can tell another that they are wrong. But whats the point. The game is as good as the sum of praises and critics

In Me1 I found the planet exploration borig, glad its not really there anymore. in ME1 I found the city small feeling, glad in ME2 it feels bigger. In ME1 I found the overheat point less, with enough tech you gun would fire indefinatly. Glad that the Ammo system makes it a little more difficult.
But even though a little borig and difficult to maintain a good overview of your stock, the magnitude of armors and Weapons in Me1 I liked better then the low amount in ME2. however I like that you can personlize your armor in ME2. Like that there are more types of weapons in Me2, more team members. Story was great in both. I like the special ammo option bette rin Me2, as you can switch easier. In total I liek the game it feels like it evolved well, its more dificult, bigger, same good story. Still things wrong with it, but lot of good to

and thats all my opinion. you can agree or not, and I might not agree with you or I do.

Modifié par Chojin999, 03 février 2010 - 09:40 .

[Duckduden]

Fail troll fail

[elmephd1]

Having played and finished Mass Effect 2, I can say it's one of the best roleplay experiences. Characterisation is top notch, good story, dialogue that should be used as proof that the writers deserve a pay raise, excellent voice acting all the way through, brilliant world building expanding on Mass Effect 1's, choices that matter. You know, the real meat of an RPG. Gameplay wise, the mechanics are pretty top notch and an improvement on the previous instalment in it not relying on dice rolls.

The games real drawback is the planet scanning. That and some of the bugs.

So no, not a complete mess at all.

[Massadonious1]

Selvec_Darkon wrote...

Bigeyez wrote...

Selvec_Darkon wrote...



About time a critic got off their ass and decided to start telling it for what it is.

Yes because obviously EA bought off the 50 something other review websites/magazines/blogs that gave the game good scores right?



Peoples opinions don't always match up with yours. Take off your tinfoil hat and join the real world please.

*Eye roll* It's called the "sheep effect" ****. Few big companies with big name critics give scores a game doesn't deserve, smaller critic roll with it to not get sucked under or left out. They even explained it in the article. Had you actually read the article instead of being a troll, you would have seen this.

[nippleguy]

i love the game, don't care what anyone else says.

[Mezinger]

Hey a second objective review! The NYT one was pretty balanced as well.

[Quisatz Haderach]

Good review. Mass Effect 2 is failure, not a game-failure because it is quite good actually, but in the terms of being a big disappointment. We were promised a game of unrivalled quality, maybe even one of the greatest ever in the genre, as most critics enthusiastically called...and it is 7-8/10 at best, compared to other, truly great titles I know from the past. It is just a mediocre rpg, and mediocre shooter, a competent, well-rounded but not exciting all-in-one.

For me it is much weaker than Fallout 1&2, BG1&2, PT, KotOR, Deus Ex, even Witcher, and none of the above was ever ranked as high as ME2...I just lost faith in some press titles, web pages and game publishers I still belived. When I pay for highest quality, I expect it. I havent found it in this title, thus I feel cheated. I will think twice before I buy any title advertised as much as this one.