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[Sabriana]

blademaster7 wrote...

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Too bad us male characters are stuck with: either a lunatic that wants to put your eylashes in a jar or a b**** that tears your heart out and gives it to you on a silver platter.

She wants to put your eyelashes in a jar? This is utterly funny. Are you refering to the "I've watched you sleeping" bit?

[blademaster7]

Yes. I have to roll back a previous save and get the exact quote.



It's kinda cute but it also freaks me out.

[Sabriana]

blademaster7 wrote...

Yes. I have to roll back a previous save and get the exact quote.

It's kinda cute but it also freaks me out.

Please do.
About the female romances in DA:O, you know, in most prior video games the women PCs were woefully neglected. Anomen? Please! Casavir? Gitout! I won't mention Haer Da'lis. No I won't. I just got over it, so I'm not saying a word.

The first light on the horizon was MoTB, and then, along came DA:O.

Women gamers all over the world bow to BioWare in gratitude

[blademaster7]

Here's what my dialogue looked liked.

Leliana: Hello
Warden: Hello what?
Leliana: I'm just greeting the person I'm sharing a bed with. Nothing wrong with that.
Leliana: Did you know your eylids flutter when you dream? And you have such pretty eyelashes.
Warden: Er... My eyelashes?
Leliana: Mmhmm. They're like little butterflies... I want to catch them and keep them in a jar.
Warden: I knew last night was a bad idea.You're all crazy now.
Leliana: Crazy now? You thought I was crazy the first time you met me(laughs).
[...]

[ejoslin]

My question is . . . does she stay in love after THAT? I guess my dwarf casteless will find out soon . . .

[blademaster7]

Yes actually. She's dead serious. You also get approval no matter what you say to her after the tent scene

I think she's the only romance option that doesn't disapprove of anything you say if she loves you.

Modifié par blademaster7, 06 février 2010 - 02:50 .

[Herr Uhl]

ejoslin wrote...

My question is . . . does she stay in love after THAT? I guess my dwarf casteless will find out soon . . .

Yes, yes she does.

It's as I said, she is the most prone to stalk you of all the romanceables. She'll become a crazy nug-lady when she grows old, mark my words.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Venix245 wrote...

I second you idea grimauld, i would like more reaction from party member to me and Leliana the only raction was Wynne i never got anything else from the others also i think it would of been nice if you said "partner" Leliana for me, when somone starts flirting with you like Zev, that your partner would step in and say somthing, as swet as Leliana is i can see her being a bit stressy if Zev started flirting with me XD

Alistair too is interested in your relationship with Leliana, when he comes to you to know your opinion about your companions..

[MaxQuartiroli]

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's what my dialogue looked liked.

Leliana: Hello
Warden: Hello what?
Leliana: I'm just greeting the person I'm sharing a bed with. Nothing wrong with that.
Leliana: Did you know your eylids flutter when you dream? And you have such pretty eyelashes.
Warden: Er... My eyelashes?
Leliana: Mmhmm. They're like little butterflies... I want to catch them and keep them in a jar.
Warden: I knew last night was a bad idea.You're all crazy now.
Leliana: Crazy now? You thought I was crazy the first time you met me(laughs).
[...]

I can believe you wanted give her such an answer...you ar cold as ice... Poor Leliana...hahahaha !!! 

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 06 février 2010 - 02:59 .

[Sabriana]

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's what my dialogue looked liked.

Leliana: Hello
Warden: Hello what?
Leliana: I'm just greeting the person I'm sharing a bed with. Nothing wrong with that.
Leliana: Did you know your eylids flutter when you dream? And you have such pretty eyelashes.
Warden: Er... My eyelashes?
Leliana: Mmhmm. They're like little butterflies... I want to catch them and keep them in a jar.
Warden: I knew last night was a bad idea.You're all crazy now.
Leliana: Crazy now? You thought I was crazy the first time you met me(laughs).
[...]

Err...What? Wow. I'm somewhat speechless, but I appreciate the giggles, thanks

@ Herr Uhl

The Nug Lady with 23 nugs, the overgrown back and front yard, who walks around talking to herself, giggling every once in a while? That cat, err, nug lady?

[Liquidcz]

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's what my dialogue looked liked.

Leliana: Hello
Warden: Hello what?
Leliana: I'm just greeting the person I'm sharing a bed with. Nothing wrong with that.
Leliana: Did you know your eylids flutter when you dream? And you have such pretty eyelashes.
Warden: Er... My eyelashes?
Leliana: Mmhmm. They're like little butterflies... I want to catch them and keep them in a jar.
Warden: I knew last night was a bad idea.You're all crazy now.
Leliana: Crazy now? You thought I was crazy the first time you met me(laughs).
[...]

What's so shocking on that? You never used any sort of metaphoric sweet-talk when talking to your girlfriend? I suspect some people simply want to make her look insane no matter what and pick up even on the most insignificant things 

[frostajulie]

I wouldn't be addicted to this game without the romances. I play from different angles and create different personas for different characters just so I can romance the NPC's from different perspectives.



Growing up as a gamer in a gaming household I have NEVER been attatched to the characters like I am to DA:O NPC's I love them. Even Alistair who broke my heart after multiple playthroughs I realize I am still over the moon for him. However Zevran is my PC's soulmate everytime because if I am not playing a human noble I can not romance AListair with the intent of forever with a clear conscience. I would definitely not be buying the expansion or DLC's if there were no romance option in the game to me it makes the playing richer, more rewarding and adds a shocking amount of depth to something that has always just been a hobby for me. I know the story now inside out but every new pc I create has a slightly different perspective that is most interesting played over the romantic options and dialogues. I agree that after the sex scene most of the romances fizzle out, I wish there were more dialogues and cutscenes maybe a new personal quest and as someone mentioned I would love to get a cimematic where the love interest listens to my PC unload.



The entire game is enjoyable but if not for the wonderful variety and depth of the romance interests it would just be another game and I would have been done with it as I was with Fable 2 and 2 worlds long ago.

[Sabriana]

frostajulie wrote...

I wouldn't be addicted to this game without the romances. I play from different angles and create different personas for different characters just so I can romance the NPC's from different perspectives.

Growing up as a gamer in a gaming household I have NEVER been attatched to the characters like I am to DA:O NPC's I love them. Even Alistair who broke my heart after multiple playthroughs I realize I am still over the moon for him. However Zevran is my PC's soulmate everytime because if I am not playing a human noble I can not romance AListair with the intent of forever with a clear conscience. I would definitely not be buying the expansion or DLC's if there were no romance option in the game to me it makes the playing richer, more rewarding and adds a shocking amount of depth to something that has always just been a hobby for me. I know the story now inside out but every new pc I create has a slightly different perspective that is most interesting played over the romantic options and dialogues. I agree that after the sex scene most of the romances fizzle out, I wish there were more dialogues and cutscenes maybe a new personal quest and as someone mentioned I would love to get a cimematic where the love interest listens to my PC unload.

The entire game is enjoyable but if not for the wonderful variety and depth of the romance interests it would just be another game and I would have been done with it as I was with Fable 2 and 2 worlds long ago.

I like the way you think. RPG's are all about role-playing, and people thrown together for a common cause and a prolonged time to develop relationships. It enriches the whole thing, and puts it on a whole different level than FPS and their assorted hybrids.

[TheBlackBaron]

blademaster7 wrote...

Here's what my dialogue looked liked.

Leliana: Hello
Warden: Hello what?
Leliana: I'm just greeting the person I'm sharing a bed with. Nothing wrong with that.
Leliana: Did you know your eylids flutter when you dream? And you have such pretty eyelashes.
Warden: Er... My eyelashes?
Leliana: Mmhmm. They're like little butterflies... I want to catch them and keep them in a jar.
Warden: I knew last night was a bad idea.You're all crazy now.
Leliana: Crazy now? You thought I was crazy the first time you met me(laughs).
[...]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why I reloaded after getting my Wine, Women, and Song achivement.

Leliana may be all sweet and girly, but she is definitely one Archdemon short of a Blight.

[Barbarossa2010]

blademaster7 wrote...

Venix245 wrote...

it appears there is alot of love for Allister and Zev

Indeed. I'm reading the responses from female players and I seem to be getting the impression that their romance is really deep in emotion and satisfying in the end(unless you mess up the Alistair romance).

Too bad us male characters are stuck with: either a lunatic that wants to put your eylashes in a jar or a b**** that tears your heart out and gives it to you on a silver platter.

Agreed blademaster, it appears the females got the good end of this game as far as an overall satsifying experience.  The Zevran rebound seems quite the surprise.  I'm glad for them actually.  Unfortunately, only one very narrow course, with no hope of a "bounceback" relationship, will give males that kind of end (as far as romances go).  Everything else is a stab in the face if one actually gets to the deepest dialogues with Morrigan.  We are meant to be led along and most of us fell for it.  Oh well...

I will say that in the playthrough I finished last night, my PC "Dane" committed to a sacrificial end.  The PC romanced Leliana, hardened Alistair, rebuked Morrigan (for the first time-and she called me stupid or something-pefectly in character for her I thought), recruited Loghain, got to know him and left him to defend the gates of Denerim, telling him he was meant to "live."  The final dialogues with his crew were especially emotional on the sacrifical tack.  Leliana, Wynne, Zevran and my Warden took down the Archdemon, with only him available to make the killing blow.  The rest is history.

I have to say this was the most satisfying ending I, as a player, have had yet.  It's wierd, it finally felt right for me after three + full playthroughs.  For those who accuse us who are displeased with a (romanced) Morrigan ending of wanting white picket fences, you couldn't be more wrong.

In my "perfect" ending (in the bounds of what I was allowed), my PC dies a heroic death to be interred at Weisshaupt, with a giant statue erected in his honor in Howe's old Arling, Loghain is redeemed by rebuilding the Warden in Ferelden and ends his days honorably in the Deep Roads, Alistair abandons him (sadly), and Anora (hate her) is on the throne.  Sten takes one bow before my PCs grave, departs for his lands and tells the Qunari when asked if there are any honorable men outside, replies "just one."  Hardcase Oghren weeps and names his first born child after the PC.  And for the romantic end:  Leliana mourns deeply and, in the end, is reunited with her beloved (in death) sooner than expected, but not until she writes and performs a ballad in his memory that will be known throughout all of Thedas.  The look on her face at my PCs eulogy (and her full prologue) was the most romantic thing I, as a straight male PC, experienced in the game.  And I truly look at Dane as a paragon among my other characters.
 
The romanced Morrigan ending just plain felt wrong, to the point where it was little more than a heavy-handed plot tool for the writers, leading us to a directed destiny where they knew most men would go.  Very little of it fit IMO, especially with the romance progression up to that point (yes I know her "nature" and was never oblivious to it), only to see your PC so far out of character it seemed ridiculous as he was artificially forced to PASSIVELY swallow her vague BS and be reduced to a chump; or die basically alone and (at least in his mind) unwanted.   I'm sure Morrigan and Flemeth are the main characters of Dragon Age and this is where the story rotates; I'm just not so sure my PC's any longer want anything to do with their vague, mysterious, conversationally veiled bulls#!+.  Morrigan lost all credibility with her silence, and nothing I envision could justify it as she presented and evolved.

The sacrificial end was a fitting end to this chapter and I don't have to wait two or more years dangling at the tip of the pen of the writers, waiting to see just how MUCH of chump my PC was.  I assume this can be construed as high credit to the writers and they are certainly welcomed to it.

I finally felt like I "finished" the game.  I intended initially to play a sacrificial end to see what it entailed (and get the achievement), reload at the Landsmeet and finish off with Leliana and I living happily ever after, but decided the Sacrificial end was the ending I was looking for.  It just felt right; and I was allowed to stay in character (my biggest criticism with the other romanceable ending for a straight male), ending it dead, sure; but at least heroically so, with dignity, being loved and mourned by someone who loved him the same way in return.  My Warden goes to his eternal reward with a memorable legacy, not an ending where his mere existence begs the members of his Order to eternally question his judgement and moral courage (something Morrigan and those like her would laugh at) at participating in an ambiguous ritual, that he was positively denied any real knowledge of, that may well breed a monster (everything they stand in opposition to) that makes a Blight look like child's play. 

My first and second PC's stupidly courted Morrigan, a beautiful but fatally damaged woman, thinking they could "change her," and ended up as those relationship normally do, disgraced and alone.  Dane and Leliana was a memorable and enviable romance that death itself could not undo.

Hopelessly romantic straight males do have their ending in this game afterall.   

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 06 février 2010 - 08:39 .

[blademaster7]

You guys realize that it was just a reload of an earlier save I hope. I picked the most rude responses and I still ended up with a 100% approval.



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@ Barbarossa. We clearly have the same views about it. Not just your earlier response(which I agree 100% btw) but  on pretty much every Morrigan topic we discussed.

Bioware slapped me in the face after spending my money and time on this game. Greeeattt, now I'm waiting for the sequel hoping to see my characters name as a footnote somewhere in the Morrigan codex.

The best thing you could do after that is play a new character and do the Ultimate Sacrifice. It is totally worth it. I reached the top of Fort Drakon and Alistair stepped up requesting that I let him die in my place. He was supposed to be king but he wanted to sacrifice himself for duty. I felt like an idiot when I heard Alistair say that... and here I thought he was the one without spine and not me. I went ahead and killed the Archdemon and the epilogue was pretty much everything I could ask for. At least my character died with dignity in this playthrough.

Modifié par blademaster7, 06 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[ejoslin]

I want to point out the male PC actually has a chance at an ending that females do not -- just the noble but they can end up King (prince-consort), with the person they love if Zevran, AND not release an old god under Morrigan's care on the world.

Males also have the choice to romance Zevran OR Leliana, both which have beautiful endings. Not all women like Zevran; face it, he is the complete opposite of Alistair. While Zevran does have his fangirls (/wave) and guys, there are plenty of women who after the Alistair romance want nothing to do with anyone. With Morrigan AND Alistair, males and females alike should realize that the ending most likely will be bad. Granted, if you stay with Alistair and make him king, you still can be with him, which you don't get with Morrigan, but really, Morrigan doesn't lie to you. You know from the start that falling in love with her is a bad, bad idea.

I will say this . . . the Zevran rebound comes at such a great time, because of course, if you turn on the romance after dumped by Alistair, you have someone who falls immediately in love so you get the best dialogs from him immediately.

When exactly does the Morrigan romance end? Is it at such a time where you could still turn on the Leliana romance? Or is it at the very end?

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Barbarossa2010]

blademaster7 wrote...

You guys realize that it was just a reload of an earlier save I hope. I picked the most rude responses and I still ended up with a 100% approval.



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@ Barbarossa. We clearly have the same views about it. Not just your earlier response(which I agree 100% btw) but  on pretty much every Morrigan topic we discussed.

Bioware slapped me in the face after spending my money and time on this game. Greeeattt, now I'm waiting for the sequel hoping to see my characters name as a footnote somewhere in the Morrigan codex.

The best thing you could do after that is play a new character and do the Ultimate Sacrifice. It is totally worth it. I reached the top of Fort Drakon and Alistair stepped up requesting that I let him die in my place. He was supposed to be king but he wanted to sacrifice himself for duty. I felt like an idiot when I heard Alistair say that... and here I thought he was the one without spine and not me. I went ahead and killed the Archdemon and the epilogue was pretty much everything I could ask for. At least my character died with dignity in this playthrough.

Amen blademaster, it is the right way out for players like us.  I would never have imagined it, until I cowboy'ed up and did it.  Much more dignified and fulfilling than a kick in the ba!!s.   I can see where ending with Alistair at your side would be something memorable.  There was no doubt at my sacrificial ending who was going to die.  The looks on Wynne and Zevran's faces alluded to immediate heartbreaking understanding as I did the deed.  Lelina's prologue was worth it all.  An appropriate ending for my Warden. 

I'm with you all the way on this.  I don't play to evolve into a super-man (initially a very reluctant hero) only to be artificially and magically reduced to a spineless twit just prior to the climax. 

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 06 février 2010 - 09:43 .

[Barbarossa2010]

ejoslin wrote...

I want to point out the male PC actually has a chance at an ending that females do not -- just the noble but they can end up King (prince-consort), with the person they love if Zevran, AND not release an old god under Morrigan's care on the world.

Males also have the choice to romance Zevran OR Leliana, both which have beautiful endings. Not all women like Zevran; face it, he is the complete opposite of Alistair. While Zevran does have his fangirls (/wave) and guys, there are plenty of women who after the Alistair romance want nothing to do with anyone. With Morrigan AND Alistair, males and females alike should realize that the ending most likely will be bad. Granted, if you stay with Alistair and make him king, you still can be with him, which you don't get with Morrigan, but really, Morrigan doesn't lie to you. You know from the start that falling in love with her is a bad, bad idea.

I will say this . . . the Zevran rebound comes at such a great time, because of course, if you turn on the romance after dumped by Alistair, you have someone who falls immediately in love so you get the best dialogs from him immediately.

When exactly does the Morrigan romance end? Is it at such a time where you could still turn on the Leliana romance? Or is it at the very end?

Well I suppose it "ends" right at the moment where you are presented the Dark Ritual.  That is the point where everything changes and you are locked in on short final to the Archdemon.

There is never an opportunity for a "rebound romance" for a straight male, ever. 

Funny thing is that when you head upstairs to see Riordan in Redcliff prior to marching back to Denerim for war, prior to seeing him, you can stop in your room where Morrigan is waiting and still get the "Your desire" greeting and smooch like there's no tomorrow.  My PC did this the first time playing through as his puppeteer is a notorious explorer, greeted Morrigan and kissed her, left to see Riordan and thought when he was done with Riordan, he would have the tenderest of nights with his "love" prior to meeting his destiny. 

Once you visit Riordan and he tells you the purpose of the Grey Wardens in killing the Archdemon, everything changes.  When my PC returned to the room with Morrigan, BOOM, he's a tool of an ambiguous ritual, reduced to a passive mumbling fool...and oh BTW, he still has to face the Archdemon wondering what the hell happened.  He did the Ritual to force her to come clean or convince her not to leave, NOT TO SAVE HIS LIFE which is an insult everytime I look at the acheivment.  My first PC wasn't at this best, feeling a complete fool, deserving a death afer being being forced to be something he wasn't; a death now denied him.  It took him many replays to kill the Archdemon as his heart just wasn't in it anymore.

I came back to the game after a while, made a new character, cowboy'ed up and committed to a sacrifical ending, determined to end this story in character.  I swear, my "Dane" PC fought like a demon possessed with a clear conscience, unfettered with doubt, dignity intact and Wynne as his mage.  He literally could do no wrong in the fight.  He killed the Archdemon in a single playthrough, faster than any other Warden I had, and ended something beyond even a Paragon; sharing the fate of only 4 others before him in history, being loved as he was loved to the very end and beyond.  It totally felt like I finally had the ending that was right for me.

BTW, regarding Zevran, he was not romanceable for my PCs, but my PC really grew to "love" him as a friend.  It was a big surprise, as I personally could not stand him from the outset.  I gave him a chance and was rewarded with a freind for life that I could count on when the chip were down.  He stood with me against the Crows and, in my second playthrough, he was the only one who stayed with me.  His finally coming clean about his final mission nearly brought me to tears.  It was the single most touching moment in the entire story.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 06 février 2010 - 10:13 .

[blademaster7]

ejoslin wrote...

When exactly does the Morrigan romance end? Is it at such a time where you could still turn on the Leliana romance? Or is it at the very end?

It ends right when she tells you she has no further use for you. Turning on the Leliana romance at this point was not feasible and I don't see the point of doing so anyway. Just not my playstyle.

Modifié par blademaster7, 06 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[ejoslin]

blademaster7 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

When exactly does the Morrigan romance end? Is it at such a time where you could still turn on the Leliana romance? Or is it at the very end?

It ends right when she tells you she has no further use for you. Turning on the Leliana romance at this point was not feasible and I don't see the point of doing so anyway. Just not my playstyle.

Heh, that's harsh.  Just as harsh as being told that the people you've been fighting to save won't accept you as their queen so /dump.  But ummm, keep fighting for them!

Edit: Both of those romances have such harsh endings.  Morrigan's is guaranteed, but really, unless you're metagaming, the Alistair one is a given as well.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 février 2010 - 09:50 .

[ashez2ashes]

Eh, I didn't know anything about Alistair dumping me until lurking on the message board after beating the game. My PC didn't want anything to do with politics (I stupidly thought my mage could be queen lol) and wanted to have gray warden adventures with alistair.



So it's possible to get that ending without metagaming (you just have to be stupid and lucky lol).

[SusanStoHelit]

I've done the Morrigan romance and I loved it. She stays completely in character, the ending is not a surprise, and I knew all along that she had a reason for coming - but not what it was. When she told my male Cousland that she loved him, that she didn't like feeling that way, and that she wanted to break up with him, he accepted it with grace and dignity.



Male pcs who accept Morrigan's wish to break up can have an ending to the romance that is dignified. It is only those who think they can change her, who hang on to her, kicking and screaming (so to speak) in an effort to make her into something more acceptable to them, who end up with the nasty ending.



And if you accept the break up, you can still choose to follow her, or not, at endgame.



Furthermore, if you do accept the break up, it happens early enough in the game (it did for me, less than halfway through) that if you choose it would be very easy to rebound to Leliana - or Zevran. I didn't choose to do either, but the option is there.

[MsSouthpaw]

How did the romance make me feel? Like I want my husband to get lessons in British diction. Now. As soon as possible. And possibly a set of armor. Just for fun.

[Gold Dragon]

I finally figured out why I have never had a conversation with Alistair on the top of the Tower about who kills the Archdemon.



It's simply because when we (PC & Alistair, and likely Loghain if you go that route instead) first learn that Death is the result, I claim it outright. Riordan applauds my courage, but still claims first. Tho "...if I fail, it falls to you to take the hit..." or something like that. Alistair doesn't say a word, Hardened or no.