The reason why Sovereign sounded better than Harbinger is due to the fact that you directly talked to Sovereign; you touched his mind. That is why it sounds more automated. With Harbinger, you heard him through a possessed collector general and collectors. Remember when Saren's dead body was possessed by Sovereign, when it spoke to you it sounded like Saren. Therefore, Harbingers voice may sound like Sovereigns we'll have to speak to his mind directly.
Although thats kind of weird to use the collector general to tell the collector general that he had failed.
Scariest reaper? Harbinger? Sovereign?
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#152
Posté 25 juin 2010 - 01:52
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Sovereign felt like a Lovecraftish god. It corrupted Saren, who wasn't very different from Shepard.
Harbringer was more like a classical supervillain who sent a lot of incompetent cannonfodder at you.
Harbringer was more like a classical supervillain who sent a lot of incompetent cannonfodder at you.
#153
Posté 25 juin 2010 - 01:58
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lovgreno wrote...
Sovereign felt like a Lovecraftish god. It corrupted Saren, who wasn't very different from Shepard.
Harbringer was more like a classical supervillain who sent a lot of incompetent cannonfodder at you.
Well put.
#154
Posté 02 juillet 2010 - 04:20
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lovgreno wrote...
Sovereign felt like a Lovecraftish god. It corrupted Saren, who wasn't very different from Shepard.
Harbringer was more like a classical supervillain who sent a lot of incompetent cannonfodder at you.
They were mindless drones anyway, Again not entirely the reapers fault you see. Indoctrination is a form of ascension...... Harbinger was more bad ass imo(So Is Sovereign). Sovereign had contempt for life while Harbinger evaluated life. Dont worry Harbinger is coming to say hello soon..........
#155
Posté 02 juillet 2010 - 05:05
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lovgreno wrote...
Sovereign felt like a Lovecraftish god. It corrupted Saren, who wasn't very different from Shepard.
Harbringer was more like a classical supervillain who sent a lot of incompetent cannonfodder at you.
Basically this. I prefer Sovereign/Nazara mostly because of his (supremely badass) voice, but one thing to keep in mind when discussing the Harbinger/Nazara voice difference is that in ME1, you spoke with Nazara's machine avatar directly.
In ME2, everything you hear Harbinger say comes out of the mouth of a possessed organic, either a Collector or their General, hence the reason why the voice probably doesn't sound the same.
If Harbinger can mix it up a little in his taunts and get the same kind of flanging voice effect that Nazara had, then I really think he has a chance of being Nazara's equal in ME3; not to mention that we might see other Reapers composing the fleet that are as badass or more so than Nazara or Harbinger.
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#156
Posté 02 juillet 2010 - 06:34
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SithLordExarKun wrote...
harbinger sounded like the cliche idiotic villain that denies his failures claiming you have failed when he was clearly beaten and plans foiled.
He told the Collectors they failed, which is true. Not much a reaper could do from way outside the galaxy. The most he told Shepard was 'you've changed nothing'.
Anyways, I think Soveriegn was scarier. He didn't need to talk a lot to get his point through. He delivered what was needed, then blew all the windows out of the lab.
#157
Posté 02 juillet 2010 - 06:37
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I actually think Harbinger is scarier... Why?
He's still alive. And now he has friends. Imagine if more than just he took over collectors. Could you handle every fight turning every collector into a Harbinger?
He's still alive. And now he has friends. Imagine if more than just he took over collectors. Could you handle every fight turning every collector into a Harbinger?
#158
Posté 02 juillet 2010 - 07:46
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Sursion wrote...
SithLordExarKun wrote...
harbinger sounded like the cliche idiotic villain that denies his failures claiming you have failed when he was clearly beaten and plans foiled.
He told the Collectors they failed, which is true. Not much a reaper could do from way outside the galaxy. The most he told Shepard was 'you've changed nothing'.
Anyways, I think Soveriegn was scarier. He didn't need to talk a lot to get his point through. He delivered what was needed, then blew all the windows out of the lab.
That was insane, But Harbinger is about to open a can of whoop ass. I wonder If we'll see any more main reapers.
#161
Posté 02 juillet 2010 - 11:39
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Sovereign. Harbinger is small time.
#162
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 01:40
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Slidell505 wrote...
Sovereign. Harbinger is small time.
Sovereign was simply a middle man, Harbinger seems to be the head reaper. So to be honest, Harbinger. And in regards to the voice, why do you think it has to sound the same? I'm pretty sure that the reapers have unique voices. They are each unique. And sovereign seemed pretty dumb to me anyways. After beating ME2, I came to the realization that he could have won if he had released control of Saren once he was dead, just like Harbinger does with the Collectors and the Collector general.
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#163
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 02:06
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Sovereign would have won if he let Harbinger assume direct control...or if when he assumed control he actually said that he was assuming direct control.
#165
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 04:02
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I thought the threats that Harbinger said after you destroy the collector base were pretty legit. But yeah, Sovereign was pretty intense when he was attacking the citadel.
#166
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 11:17
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Harbinger's weakness is the fact that you end up defeating him like 50 times over the course of the game which makes him far less intimitdating. He's like the Team Rocket of Mass Effect 2.
#167
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 11:18
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SithLordExarKun wrote...
Sovereign felt like a god in my opinion, harbinger sounded like the cliche idiotic villain that denies his failures claiming you have failed when he was clearly beaten and plans foiled.
Old post, but Harbinger was telling the Collector general he failed, not Shepard.
#168
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 12:19
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FourSixEight wrote...
Privateerkev wrote...
nothing is scarier than this...
Harbinger's orgasmic moan at 1:03 is further proof that the final interspecies romance option will be Reaper/Human.
Oh, don't look at me like that. You know you want it.
If you watch the whole youtube, you'll see that Jacob and Harbinger have some communication issues. Whether this is just a problem between those two individuals or evidence of problems between the two species, is yet to be seen.
#169
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 01:15
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As is the trend of this thread, Sovereign wins by an order of magnitude.
In fact, I think old Harbinger and his retarded human-reaper lovechild kind of ruined the terrifying nature of the reapers to me. In the exchange with Sovereign he talks to you as though your some sort of annoying mosquito barely worth his time. Every awful thing he says really does sound like he's just stating cold facts without a touch of emotion. It was relentless self-wanking, sure, but his delivery and matter-of-fact nature actually gave me the feeling that these bastards are beyond our understanding.
Then Harbinger came around with his I WILL DESTROY YOU and I breathed a massive sigh. I'm surprised the developers didn't add a gigantic moustache to his character model so he could twirl it mirthlessly during his final delivery (which was actually as close to Sovereign's awesomeness that he got, but still)
In fact, I think old Harbinger and his retarded human-reaper lovechild kind of ruined the terrifying nature of the reapers to me. In the exchange with Sovereign he talks to you as though your some sort of annoying mosquito barely worth his time. Every awful thing he says really does sound like he's just stating cold facts without a touch of emotion. It was relentless self-wanking, sure, but his delivery and matter-of-fact nature actually gave me the feeling that these bastards are beyond our understanding.
Then Harbinger came around with his I WILL DESTROY YOU and I breathed a massive sigh. I'm surprised the developers didn't add a gigantic moustache to his character model so he could twirl it mirthlessly during his final delivery (which was actually as close to Sovereign's awesomeness that he got, but still)
#170
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 03:09
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I do hope BioWare makes Harbinger a more intimidating adversary. The fact that he is alive and Sovereign is not should convince BioWare enough to make him more evil. It still didn't ruin the game for me though, I enjoyed it. Soooooooo epic.
#171
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 06:44
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Indoctrination wrote...
Harbinger's weakness is the fact that you end up defeating him like 50 times over the course of the game which makes him far less intimitdating. He's like the Team Rocket of Mass Effect 2.
Pokemon reference. Nice.
#172
Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 07:02
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Barhador wrote...
SithLordExarKun wrote...
Sovereign felt like a god in my opinion, harbinger sounded like the cliche idiotic villain that denies his failures claiming you have failed when he was clearly beaten and plans foiled.
Sovereign also happened to be the bigger arse hole with his "god" speech and arrogance.
He did not claim that Shepard failed. He was speaking to the Collector General in that scene.
Wow. I never even considered that. And that makes sense too, because he keeps talking about Shepard's potential.
Perhaps he was talking to both. That would make the most sense of all.
That makes me even sadder for the Collector General, because Harbringer was just adding insult to injury to an already-enslaved race as he allows them to burn.
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Posté 03 juillet 2010 - 07:26
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Not sure if this was mentioned yet in this post but I'm starting to see it pop up more often so I'd like to make one thing clear, even though what I'm going to explain is under assumptions from what little information we have.
We know that the 'Reapers' have been doing a cycle for millenia and that each time they wipe out the galaxy of all life they take all the information from the races of the galaxy. We know that each Reaper is viewed as it's own entity and personality, each Reaper isn't the same but all have the same goal.
I've seen people on the forums presume that each Reaper ship is a different species of an extinct race but this isn't the case though. From what Reaper ships we have seen they all follow the same basic shape to an extent, any thing from shrimps to octopuses and everything in between, some even look like insects but they all follow the same floor plan. From this it seems that possibly that the very first Reapers, what they use to be like before they became machine/organic was probably something of a, again octopus or insect.
From what we know and again, like I've already said, they wipe out races and take their identity to a certain extent and then create a new Reaper from the best race from which they come out of dark space. We know that when we fought the human fetus reaper it had everything but features of what Reapers actually look like, so what gives?
I see it like this, the outer shell of the Reaper is a coffin, the coffin itself is a representative image of what the Reapers use to look like before they were changed. On the inside though and the under belly of the ship to be exact are giant remains of a singular entity to what created that said Reaper.
I can't explain it in words so my sub-par artistic abilities will have to suffice.
The image above is taken from the concept art seen here, which concludes to me how other races are implemented into the Reaper ships.
In fact the only thing I changed was making the entity inside the ship more human then what the actual concept art depicts even though the actual concept art is in fact titled, "Human Reaper"
In conclusion to this random post, I got tired of seeing people presume that all of these Reapers are in fact different races. From what we've all seen they all share the same shape from what I described before, octopus, shrimp, insect. That implies, at least to me that the actual ship, outer shell, coffin, what ever you want to call it is what the Reapers could possibly have looked like before they became organic/machine defragging race.
We know that the 'Reapers' have been doing a cycle for millenia and that each time they wipe out the galaxy of all life they take all the information from the races of the galaxy. We know that each Reaper is viewed as it's own entity and personality, each Reaper isn't the same but all have the same goal.
I've seen people on the forums presume that each Reaper ship is a different species of an extinct race but this isn't the case though. From what Reaper ships we have seen they all follow the same basic shape to an extent, any thing from shrimps to octopuses and everything in between, some even look like insects but they all follow the same floor plan. From this it seems that possibly that the very first Reapers, what they use to be like before they became machine/organic was probably something of a, again octopus or insect.
From what we know and again, like I've already said, they wipe out races and take their identity to a certain extent and then create a new Reaper from the best race from which they come out of dark space. We know that when we fought the human fetus reaper it had everything but features of what Reapers actually look like, so what gives?
I see it like this, the outer shell of the Reaper is a coffin, the coffin itself is a representative image of what the Reapers use to look like before they were changed. On the inside though and the under belly of the ship to be exact are giant remains of a singular entity to what created that said Reaper.
I can't explain it in words so my sub-par artistic abilities will have to suffice.
The image above is taken from the concept art seen here, which concludes to me how other races are implemented into the Reaper ships.
In fact the only thing I changed was making the entity inside the ship more human then what the actual concept art depicts even though the actual concept art is in fact titled, "Human Reaper"
In conclusion to this random post, I got tired of seeing people presume that all of these Reapers are in fact different races. From what we've all seen they all share the same shape from what I described before, octopus, shrimp, insect. That implies, at least to me that the actual ship, outer shell, coffin, what ever you want to call it is what the Reapers could possibly have looked like before they became organic/machine defragging race.
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Posté 04 juillet 2010 - 01:19
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It's a good theory, but I guess the main question that arises as a result is why?
What motive would they have for restricting a massive robot complete with moving joints, weapons, optics, etc. inside a giant shell and then just oufitting the external skeleton with massive weapons, joints, optics etc.
As much as I want to believe it, because it means that the human reaper wouldn't actually be a giant superman flying around in space, it seems like a silly thing to do. It may turn out that way in ME3, but I'll still think it's silly unless there's a real explanation given.
What motive would they have for restricting a massive robot complete with moving joints, weapons, optics, etc. inside a giant shell and then just oufitting the external skeleton with massive weapons, joints, optics etc.
As much as I want to believe it, because it means that the human reaper wouldn't actually be a giant superman flying around in space, it seems like a silly thing to do. It may turn out that way in ME3, but I'll still think it's silly unless there's a real explanation given.
#175
Posté 05 juillet 2010 - 06:29
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cbutz wrote...
Sovereign would have won if he let Harbinger assume direct control...or if when he assumed control he actually said that he was assuming direct control.
Oh god lmao, My interpretation of this is If Harbinger assumed direct control of saren while sovereign was still controlling it. Whats going to be left after Harbinger gets in there lmao.
