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[The Governator]

wilde-shade wrote...

My main Shepard stayed loyal up until Horizon... when I wanted to punch his face in. The e-mail did nothing but make me angrier. An e-mail... Really?!

My real life boyfriend was just sitting there laughing at my frustration.
"You're going to romance some else, right?"
"If you did that to me, I'd leave you too."
"I know."

And he does know. Tried to apologise to me over text once the first year we were dating. I wouldn't take that from a real guy, sure as heck not gonna take it from a fictional one. Me and Shep can do better and his name is Garrus... Hooray for loyal squdmates.

Circumstances, forgiveness and redemption are all part of a great romance story.  *You* would not accept a text apology because your RL bf is so close (maybe that's all the courage he could manage at the time...owning to a wrong is not easy) and texting CAN be impersonal.  It's not always impersonal though...he may have been testing the waters.  Also, Kaidan is probably LIGHTYEARS away from Shepard who is on a clandestine assignment to save the galaxy...again.  Given what Cerberus has done:  Torture, abduction, experimentation, human supremacy crimes against other races, terrorism...it is small wonder that Kaidan wants nothing to do with Shepard at first.  He later realizes that she could be right but that he is having a terrible time reconciling himself to accepting that she is doing what is right.  

The best 'good' probably accepts shades of gray...but Cerberus is a VERY DARK shade of gray.

[masterjedirobyn]

forget kaiden, ME2 has thane. He better be around in ME3...

[eldanori]

Shepard was faithful until Horizon. Horizon changed everything. Kaiden attacked her, gave her no chance to defend herself, refused to hear her side of the story. Kaiden moved on, and couldn't deal with Shepard coming back.



She sought solace in Thane, even after Kaiden's letter. Thane was there, now, and needed her there, now. And it's a May/December romance - he's already going to die. If Kaiden can wait two years, he can wait three.



But I bet that won't be an option.

[The Governator]

As much as I am about forgiveness and redemption, there is a fine line between that and accepting intimacy with someone with such a dark past.  That would be too much of a stretch for my Shepard.

[The Gay Warden]

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[Badpie]

The Gay Warden wrote...

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I disagree with your eloquently worded, well thought out argument.

[Shoko86]

Like I said Thane was tempting but I knew if I decided to go with Thane he was gonna be nothing more than Kaiden's filler. So I resisted my urge and had to say no to Thane. The guy lost his wife (almost his son) and I didn't want to break it up with him later for Alenko in ME3 if that became a situation. That would be horrible. Couldn't do it.



Anyways, Keep them coming guys. Still interested in other people views. =)

[Badpie]

I think one of the reasons it played out like it did was to entice you to go to someone else. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here, but I do think the writers succeeded in creating a very realistic conflict over this.

For me, I try to play with a character in mind. I try to make the decisions I feel like my Shepard would make even if they're different from the decisions I would make. A lot of people play this way.

Other people's Shepard's are direct extensions of who they are and the choices they make are their personal choices.

And still others don't really care about role playing and simply want to explore all that the game has to offer.

All of these ways of playing are valid.

As a player I can appreciate the in-depth and downright ballsy move by Bioware to not only create interesting conflict with your ME1 love interest, but then take them out of the story in a way that could lead to difficult choices and angry fans and all that. I can think that now, from a story standpoint the ME1 love story is by far the most interesting.

As a player I also try to see it from Shepard's perspective, and for him, he was hurt and angry at first, but he's just not the type of guy to go wandering. He's just not interested in anything else until he can really sit down and settle things with Ash.... you know...if he survives. 

I'm amazed at the strong responses in general this subject has gotten on this forums.

Modifié par Badpie, 02 février 2010 - 07:51 .

[Badpie]

Lunarionsilver wrote...

It's kind of funny, really. During Mass Effect I wanted nothing more than to be able to romance Garrus. I just love him. Kaidan though, Kaidan grew on me and eventually my main Shepard, Ta'Sharra.

Horizon was heartbreaking. I bawled my eyes out like a little girl. When I could finally get a save in I exited the game and went to sleep, just to cool off. I like to roleplaye my characters in an RPG, after all. I could just imagine the thoughts going through Shepard's head: "I love you. I'm sorry. I didn't mean too. Don't do this. Kaidan, please.."

The first thing she did was go to Omega and get plastered while watching the Asari dancers.

Getting the email gave me hope though. I'm a total hopeless romantic. It made me angry, then calmed me a bit.
My Shepard sought comfort in the arms of Garrus. Something familar, sturdy. Someone she knew would always have her back. At the last moment though she realized she was only doing it because she longed for Kaidan, thus she stayed loyal.

The scene where Shepard gazes longing at his photo was very touching. Someone worded it far better than I can. The silence said so much.

Even though he hurt her, she still loves him.

I'm curious.  Does Garrus then just count as a fling type thing in the game?  I mean if you do the romance to full conclusion does Kaidan's picture still stand?  (since I got the impression Shep and Garrus were just two friends who cared a lot about each other and wanted to blow off steam)

Modifié par Badpie, 02 février 2010 - 07:54 .

[The Governator]

Lunarionsilver wrote...

It's kind of funny, really. During Mass Effect I wanted nothing more than to be able to romance Garrus. I just love him. Kaidan though, Kaidan grew on me and eventually my main Shepard, Ta'Sharra.

Horizon was heartbreaking. I bawled my eyes out like a little girl. When I could finally get a save in I exited the game and went to sleep, just to cool off. I like to roleplaye my characters in an RPG, after all. I could just imagine the thoughts going through Shepard's head: "I love you. I'm sorry. I didn't mean too. Don't do this. Kaidan, please.."

The first thing she did was go to Omega and get plastered while watching the Asari dancers.

Getting the email gave me hope though. I'm a total hopeless romantic. It made me angry, then calmed me a bit.
My Shepard sought comfort in the arms of Garrus. Something familar, sturdy. Someone she knew would always have her back. At the last moment though she realized she was only doing it because she longed for Kaidan, thus she stayed loyal.

The scene where Shepard gazes longing at his photo was very touching. Someone worded it far better than I can. The silence said so much.

Even though he hurt her, she still loves him.

I believe you will be rewarded.  Have faith  

[Badpie]

The Governator wrote...

Lunarionsilver wrote...

*snip*.

I believe you will be rewarded.  Have faith  

I beileve this as well. 

[Badpie]

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up Lunarion.

[hawat333]

I stayed loyal on my second playthrough femshep (two out of four are females, one with no romance, one with Kaidan).

If either Thane or Garrus were human, it would have been harder. But given the fact, they aren't, it wasn't a hard choice to stay loyal.

On my second femshep I'll play, she may have a shot on Jacob.





A question for all those guys around here, who are like "Oh, Kaidan didn't jump on me right away, he couldn't handle the situation all well and quiet" : What was your reaction when you learned that we will work with Cerberus? Honestly. Just because I remember half of the forums went totally nuts about it.

And for those who say that it's worth leaving love in real life if something like this happens: Pray that you'll never have an argument with your beloved, since it seems you'll be left alone every time you do.



My point is: It's human. Understandable, if you bother to peek in from his perspective. If it's too much to handle for you, well... that's not my business. Just wanted to point out that it was a human reaction.

[Shoko86]

I know guys... Horizon was just heartbreaking... I got angry and sad.. and then his images in Shepard's room mocked me.. and then I read his email.. ;__; .. and then Bioware tempts up with Thane and Garrus. Funny how no one said Jacob. =P

[Badpie]

Poor Jacob.

[Gilsa]

I had no intention of staying "loyal" to Kaidan because I knew he and Ashley were barely going to be in the game. I really enjoy how much story the side romances add to the game so I was excited about having three different interests to pick from. I wasn't about to wait however many more years for BioWare to put out their final game just so I could finish the original romance. This girl was moving on. It had been two years. Enough time for Kaidan to get over Shepard, right? Right?

Well, upon seeing Kaidan on Horizon, I turned into a pile of mush. There was this joy at seeing someone that was so near and dear in the previous game which was followed by a punch in the gut as he understoodably felt betrayed. I was blown away by his intensity because that meant he really cared for Shepard. He's screaming that he loved Shepard and thought what they had was special. I felt like a heel for underestimating his character. Right on the spot, I decided that Shepard was going to stay faithful to him, that she was going to finish the fight so she could find him again in the next game. I appreciated that follow-up email from him -- I figured we probably weren't going to see him again for the rest of the game so I would take any contact I could get. That email was perfect and showed that a torch was still burning on his end. Kudos to BioWare for including that photograph scene before the final mission. That was a very nice way of keeping him as a part of the game. I had thought his absense would make for a boring game, but they made sure that he was still a part of it and I was pleased with that story angle.

Modifié par Gilsa, 02 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[cpolisch]

The Gay Warden wrote...

Freaking fangirls.

Kaidan is a douchebag IMO. Never liked him, he looks too much like Elvis Presley, and has a snide attitude. .

You''re entitled to your opinion.  But WTF?  Look at your sig... so fangirls suck, but being a fanboy is totally acceptable?  

I stayed loyal.  I actually had no trouble at all.  The only option I would have considered would have been Thane.  Garrus and Jacob held absolutely no appeal for me.  But I didn't find it difficult to stay loyal, I loved Kaidan in the first game and I thought they stayed very true to his character in the second game.  I like how shy he was, and how he wasn't cliche and throwing himself at you.  I didn't like the way the romance's were all sudden and all initiated by Shepard in the second game.

[syllogi]

Staying faithful on my characters, and looking forward to Kaidan's role in ME3. As I've said elsewhere, he was the first Bioware romance option I actually enjoyed pursuing, and I hope that the part he plays in the third game does the first one justice.



I was upset at first about the scene on Horizon, and the email afterwards was pretty unsatisfactory, but honestly, if the roles were reversed I would have been just as upset, at least at first, if I thought that someone I loved had been not only hiding from me for two years, but also working for an organization that we both witnessed doing EVIL things. So he had a pass on being hurt.



As for the email, I would expect that he can't just track the Normandy down...it's known for it's stealth, right? Comm links would have the same problem, the Normandy no longer has direct communication with the Alliance like the first one. So even if he regretted saying what he said on Horizon, or wanted to see Shep again, he would have to wait.

[The Gay Warden]

I didn't say Fangirls suck. I said Kaidan sucks.

[syllogi]

The Gay Warden wrote...

I didn't say Fangirls suck. I said Kaidan sucks.

How are people supposed to interpret "Freaking fangirls", other than negatively?  And coming from someone with your sig, and the topic you've made on Tali, it's pretty hypocritical...

[Mikka-chan]

Mmm. My first Shepard stayed loyal to Kaiden. I don't think it was really so much staying loyal, though- it's hard to argue that they're still together. He thought she was dead and had slowly started to move on (which I don't blame him for in the slightest!); I think that if your lover was 'dead' for two years, you wouldn't still consider yourself as still dating, right? At least not in most situations.
Her feelings hadn't changed, though, and although I don't think she would do a 'NO I CANNOT SLEEP WITH ANYONE EVER', she certainly wasn't interested in a different relationship and it would be fairly horrid to lead someone on in a one night stand sort of way (at least Jacob and Thane seem to treat the relationship as more then that, and I would argue Garrus does, too- Kelly's more argueable). So she continued pining over the man she loved, and hoped they could talk again.
Now, my renegade is furious (in a rather childish sort of way, I admit- she had even convinced Kaiden that Humans Ruled, Aliens Drooled and all that!) and is probably going to end up in Garrus's bed- at least HE thinks she's doing the right thing, is great and sparkly and awesome, and all that. Sides, he was her constant companion during ME1.

Modifié par Mikka-chan, 03 février 2010 - 12:46 .