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[Dragon Age1103]

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I never read this link before please for the love of Ferelden do NOT change the artsyle of DA2 or sacrifice ONE single thing for better graphics. ME is a greta series but it is nothing in comparison to DA:O & all of it's seemingly endless content. Do NOT stab all of yuor fans in the back for a bunch of children on consoles who need shiny stuff!!! I doubt this will get through or change anything but I can hope!!!!! haha

[mousestalker]

Ooh Shiny!

[Viglin]

Few days old, and have to agree, ll trade pretty pictures for a better story and additional gameplay anyday...but there are many hmmmm...newer players...who only see pretty lights.

[Dragon Age1103]

Viglin wrote...

Few days old, and have to agree, ll trade pretty pictures for a better story and additional gameplay anyday...but there are many hmmmm...newer players...who only see pretty lights.

thank you! I am NOT saying ME is not an xompletely amazing game but DA:O breaks teh barrier & sets an entirely new level in the RPG genre that will take years to catch up to. I LOVE all the choices & content. Nice graphics with little content but solid core gameplay mechanics are meant for shooters. Example Gears of War is one of the nicest looking games on 360 but it is tiny! short story, little content, few weapons yet it is awesome(to me) b/c it has extremely fun core gameplay mechanics. That works just fine for a shooter. I don't need content just repetitive fun!
  RPG...not so much!! more content!!! so if Bioware does plan to up the graphics please! let the 360 & PS3 brun with no content & shiny graphics while the PC gets both thanks to DX11! DX11 PC DA2 100 hours DX9 consolse DA2 10 hours! 15 fps!!!!

[TheMadCat]

But it'll be super hot.

[BroBear Berbil]

Viglin wrote...

Few days old, and have to agree, ll trade pretty pictures for a better story and additional gameplay anyday...but there are many hmmmm...newer players...who only see pretty lights.

I made mention of this in another thread on this topic but you and people like you say that as if it's one or the other. Development is split into groups that work on different aspects of a game and then put them together. You can be condescending about the issue if you like but the fact is that BioWare can improve the game across the board as sequels attempt to do.

I never read this link before please for the love of Ferelden do
NOT change the artsyle of DA2 or sacrifice ONE single thing for better
graphics. ME is a greta series but it is nothing in comparison to DA:O
& all of it's seemingly endless content. Do NOT stab all of yuor
fans in the back for a bunch of children on consoles who need shiny
stuff!!! I doubt this will get through or change anything but I can
hope!!!!! haha

A misguided argument. They are using the same engine they used for DA as ME2 used the same engine for ME. They've had a lot of time to work with and become familiar with the new engine and as a result we're likely to see improved graphics with the same technology just like in the case of ME2. I'm a huge DA fan. I've put more hours than I'd like to count into the game and I would not think it a "stab in the back" if they improved the game visually. I'm also a PC player so your elitist console kiddy quip doesn't speak for me either.

[Wishpig]

Jesus christ... some people are so damn arrogant it hurts! My two favorite games of all time are X-Com UFO Defense and Dwarf Fortress. Obviously I don't put much stock in graphics.



However some gamers DO put stock in graphics, and on these forums many people mock and talk down to such gamers.



Furthermore it's not black and white. Just because someone wants really good graphics does not mean they don't expect good gameplay/story/ect.



Ok, it's cool to disagree over the importance of graphics vs gameplay. Everyone has different preferences, it's not cool to disrespect them for it though. Getting kind of sick of the elitest crap that is found on everyother thread on these forums.

[KnightofPhoenix]

So a sequel is basically confirmed? Nice.

[Wournos]

I want better graphics but that doesn't mean I want them to sacrifice story, romances and the rest in the process. After playing Assassin's Creed 2 my level of graphics standard was raised tremendously. I think they can reach a close standard without the sacrifice of other things.

[Viglin]

OnionXI wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Few days old, and have to agree, ll trade pretty pictures for a better story and additional gameplay anyday...but there are many hmmmm...newer players...who only see pretty lights.

I made mention of this in another thread on this topic but you and people like you say that as if it's one or the other. Development is split into groups that work on different aspects of a game and then put them together. You can be condescending about the issue if you like but the fact is that BioWare can improve the game across the board as sequels attempt to do.

Unlikely, since l rarely state such things and dont think lve ever seen a post from you before...and l know little in the ways of whats required in developing a game...l just stated what ld prefer, story over grapthics...if we can have both, then cool.
.As for being condescending, ld re-read your post.

[Wishpig]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So a sequel is basically confirmed? Nice.

It's been confirmed for a while. Hell, before dragon age was released they said they wanted to make it a franchise.

[Dragon Age1103]

OnionXI wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Few days old, and have to agree, ll trade pretty pictures for a better story and additional gameplay anyday...but there are many hmmmm...newer players...who only see pretty lights.

I made mention of this in another thread on this topic but you and people like you say that as if it's one or the other. Development is split into groups that work on different aspects of a game and then put them together. You can be condescending about the issue if you like but the fact is that BioWare can improve the game across the board as sequels attempt to do.

I never read this link before please for the love of Ferelden do
NOT change the artsyle of DA2 or sacrifice ONE single thing for better
graphics. ME is a greta series but it is nothing in comparison to DA:O
& all of it's seemingly endless content. Do NOT stab all of yuor
fans in the back for a bunch of children on consoles who need shiny
stuff!!! I doubt this will get through or change anything but I can
hope!!!!! haha

A misguided argument. They are using the same engine they used for DA as ME2 used the same engine for ME. They've had a lot of time to work with and become familiar with the new engine and as a result we're likely to see improved graphics with the same technology just like in the case of ME2. I'm a huge DA fan. I've put more hours than I'd like to count into the game and I would not think it a "stab in the back" if they improved the game visually. I'm also a PC player so your elitist console kiddy quip doesn't speak for me either.

  misguided no! lol. Most games(if not all) with amazing graphics lack content. IF they use the same engine(no shocker there which is why i added the laugh) then all they need to do to hopefully please the console gamers is touch up the environments but the facts are consoles are weak & very. If bioware tweaks the engine & graphics it won't matter how well they know it b/c consoles are very limited. So if they do another cross platform launch for DA2(don't see why they wouldn't ) there is a chance no matter how sall or large that PC gamers could get screwed out of lots & lots of content just so consoles(majority of gamer which are 16 or younger just hope on xbl or talk to a younger relative) gamers get a prettier game. 
  Really there is nothing we can do about it but we can hope! I honestly doubt Bioware would take such a chance to cut out half the content of the game just to improve graphics. Bioware is amazing to us!!! the fans! so i really hope not but this thread was simply my little plea for them not to even consider ruining the best game I have played to date(played ME2).
  Plus the engine argument not so great considering the art style changed a tad in ME but the graphics were just touched up. I wouldn't really know though b/c I tried to play as little ME as possible. Only spent about 10 hours with ME1 but I don't recall the graphics being drastically different from 2.

[Krilral]

Wishpig wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So a sequel is basically confirmed? Nice.

It's been confirmed for a while. Hell, before dragon age was released they said they wanted to make it a franchise.

Yep They also said it on the old ME2 forum.

Modifié par Krilral, 02 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[Abriael_CG]

Wournos wrote...

I want better graphics but that doesn't mean I want them to sacrifice story, romances and the rest in the process. After playing Assassin's Creed 2 my level of graphics standard was raised tremendously. I think they can reach a close standard without the sacrifice of other things.

AC2 is a perfect example of graphical tradeoff. The environments are awesome, while the characters (exclusing Ezio's clothes) have a very low polycount.

[SheffSteel]

Improving graphics is a job for artists (making pretty things) and/or engine programmers (making things prettier, shinier, more detailed, faster... or all of the above).

Improving gameplay is a job for designers, scripters, level designers, or whatever exact job description they have at Bioware.

Of course, budgeting a next-gen game isn't quite as simple as "we've got these staff and they have to do something since we're paying them" but nor do talented staff just roll in and out like the tide.

[Dragon Age1103]

Wournos wrote...

I want better graphics but that doesn't mean I want them to sacrifice story, romances and the rest in the process. After playing Assassin's Creed 2 my level of graphics standard was raised tremendously. I think they can reach a close standard without the sacrifice of other things.

  That is a great example of a game that set the bar higher in every aspect but sadly it can't really apply to Dragon AGe simply b/c DA:O is on a much larger scale for content & dialogue. I think all games should follow AC2's example though improving on everything story, content, choices, graphics, even sound.
   I'm sure they will most likely simply increase the quality of envrinomental textures & maybe bump up the character models a little bit. I take back what I said the consoles most likely not being able to handle it b/c DA:O seems pretty optimized for DX9 plus there are not too many areas that are extremely large(like ORzammar in the Deep Roads) so there would probably only be a few areas with frame rate issues or even 0 if they really tweak the engine.
   As I said before this thread is just a silly rant of my fears! I mean there is a very low possibility of them destroying this game but fact is most people do not take well to change or lots of changes. me especially lol. I like being set in my ways but still leave enough room to be open minded & learn. Anyways I just don't want to see another gears 2. I still play GoW to this day every single week with a few friends. I was so excited for GoW 2 but they changed so much & lost all the core gameplay mechanics & what made Gears the addictive game that it is for me. Now that example is a little off /c graphics were downgraded for gears 2(most won't agree but really look at it. lol.) My entire point is if they change something too much by adding more they can lose what the game is all about.
  Still this is only a very minor paranoid fear since Bioware KNOWS how to please there fans!!! Just random thoughts of panic tossed out there after viewing a thread.

[BroBear Berbil]

Viglin wrote...
Unlikely, since l rarely state such things and dont think lve ever seen a post from you before...and l know little in the ways of whats required in developing a game...l just stated what ld prefer, story over grapthics...if we can have both, then cool.
.As for being condescending, ld re-read your post.

I will go ahead and clarify the meaning since you misunderstood what I said.

A similar topic came up to which I responded (today in fact) basically the same thing - that it's not a choice between one or the other. I reference you specifically in this thread and allude to others from the other thread. Trust me, I wasn't trying to make some kind of personal link so no need to take it as such.

I didn't find my post condescending at all. I didn't hold myself up with some faux sense of maturity and talk about the kiddies who like pretty lights. I merely asserted that it's not one or the other.

misguided no! lol. Most games(if not all) with amazing graphics lack content.

Can you give any examples within the RPG genre where this is the case? They're talking about improving upon the engine DA uses. It's not going to magically turn into a FPS and an 8 hour game.

[miltos33]

Don't worry too much people. They said that they are working on the current dated engine and therefore it is impossible to improve graphics by much. The super hot graphics that they promised is only hype and just a response to the many negative comments they received about the state of graphics in DAO. Let's just hope they don't dumb down the gameplay as they did with that other game.

Modifié par miltos33, 02 février 2010 - 08:38 .

[Fangirl17]

I believe they can achieve both. And was that comment towards console users really necessary? Jeez.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Ok..let me know... where did you read they will sacrifice storyline or similar features just to improve graphics ??? I understand Zeschuk's word as something like...
"The game was great, thanks to the classics marks of a standard Bioware games, which includes things like (....). The only thing we need to improve too much, expecially for consolle's users is graphic engine" I have not seen he is saying something like "We are going to focalize ourselves on graphics to the detriment of other game's contents. Maybe I missed something??

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 02 février 2010 - 08:39 .

[Wournos]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...
   I'm sure they will most likely simply increase the quality of envrinomental textures & maybe bump up the character models a little bit.

This is what I am hoping for. Smoother character movements and improved facial expression. More 3d looking environment. The game feels a little ... pointy and square sometimes.

[SuperMedbh]

Am I alone in thinking the graphics are fairly good in DA? Yes, the individual characters aren't super high polygon (you can see that in the closeups), but there are panoramas that look just like paintings.



I've played Crysis a bit (well, couldn't get past the tutorial level. I am so not a gamer ) and have even worked with CryEngine2 as a Blue Mars developer, and you know, for all the wonder of that game engine, at the end of the day it depends on what you do with it. Crysis struck me as area after area of jungle, realistically detailed, sure, but not particularly engaging. Compare that to entering the ruined temple outside of Haven or the towers of Ostagar.



For the record, I'm on the PC, running 6 gig RAM with a NVIDIA GTX285 card (I do 3D modeling). YMMV, as they say. But really, I think the DA:O team did a darned good job with the engine they had, and if the sequel is even better, I'd be thrilled.

[BroBear Berbil]

SuperMedbh wrote...

Am I alone in thinking the graphics are fairly good in DA? Yes, the individual characters aren't super high polygon (you can see that in the closeups), but there are panoramas that look just like paintings.

They are pretty good, yes. The character models is my main gripe about the graphics. Anything else I dislike about the visuals is pretty much art related.

[Viglin]

OnionXI wrote...

Viglin wrote...
Unlikely, since l rarely state such things and dont think lve ever seen a post from you before...and l know little in the ways of whats required in developing a game...l just stated what ld prefer, story over grapthics...if we can have both, then cool.
.As for being condescending, ld re-read your post.

I will go ahead and clarify the meaning since you misunderstood what I said.

A similar topic came up to which I responded (today in fact) basically the same thing - that it's not a choice between one or the other. I reference you specifically in this thread and allude to others from the other thread. Trust me, I wasn't trying to make some kind of personal link so no need to take it as such.

I didn't find my post condescending at all. I didn't hold myself up with some faux sense of maturity and talk about the kiddies who like pretty lights. I merely asserted that it's not one or the other.

Oh, so you were generalizing...like myself.

Edit-Nevermind.

Modifié par Viglin, 02 février 2010 - 09:04 .

[traversc]

/agree with OP.



Kinda off topic, but this is why District 9 was at LEAST 10x better than Avatar.