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[BroBear Berbil]

Viglin wrote...
Oh, so you were generalizing...like myself.

Edit-Nevermind.

No, the other people do exist.

http://social.biowar...900405/3#922460

Again, that part of my first post was merely a disclaimer that I was repeating myself which is something I hate to do, so I noted it. It was merely a reference to similar statements from the other thread which I have no linked.

As for the rest of it, whether or not I'm hypocritical about condescension; I leave that up to you.

[rogue1983]

I doubt most console owners are under the age of 16 so op you need to get off your elitist high horse nuff said.

[spock06]

DA has pretty terrible graphics on the 360. Its not necessary to have graphics as good as ME, but a lot of DA looked worse than KoTOR, and there's not THAT much content. Fallout 3 and Oblivion had a lot more content and outstanding graphics (I don't like either of them much, but they were HUGE games)

[TyroneTasty]

While I understand the concern I've always been under the impression that the graphics department and level design are two different areas? Certainly the animators, who's sole job is to make things look good, take nothing away from the man designing a quest, just by attempting to push the quality of their teams work?



I'm not an expert on how game's are designed but...this does make sense doesn't it?

[ankuu]

oh god......i will choose any day, story over graphics! i would like them to put more accent on the story, to tell us more about ferelden/orlais/antiva.

[Kevin Lynch]

It's been mentioned earlier, but improving graphics is not done to the detriment of other aspects of the game. I'd hope that by the time DA2 is released they are using and taking advantage of new DX11 (if not beyond) and aren't stuck with DX9 features. There are improvements to be had in art and design and if they can do it, they should.



No, it doesn't make or break a game; it's just part of the entire package that takes a game to the next level. Imagine having no clipping issues, for example. Wouldn't people like to see that gone?

[ZEEKY94]

[quote]Wishpig wrote...

Jesus christ... some people are so damn arrogant it hurts! My two favorite games of all time are X-Com UFO Defense and Dwarf Fortress. Obviously I don't put much stock in graphics.

quote]

Agreed, Metal Gear Solid Best game ever. Graphics do matter but they don't 'maketh' the game.

[TyroneTasty]

Kevin Lynch wrote...
Imagine having no clipping issues, for example. Wouldn't people like to see that gone?

I would!

Say what you want about graphics, but clipping can, at least for me, tend to seriously ruin immersion, and isn't that we all enjoy about role playing games? 

[Wishpig]

TyroneTasty wrote...

Kevin Lynch wrote...
Imagine having no clipping issues, for example. Wouldn't people like to see that gone?

I would!

Say what you want about graphics, but clipping can, at least for me, tend to seriously ruin immersion, and isn't that we all enjoy about role playing games? 

Like I said before, I'm not a guy who cares much about graphics...

Of course that changes when the hair of my character pierces through the skull everytime they move their head... or when you can't put on a beard without it flicking on the sideburns where it meets hair. Clipping IS something that can pull me out of a game very very easily. A pet peeve.

[Johnson45]

Not bothered about graphics, just make the true sequel to DA, and you'll make my year..

[Faz432]

I don't understand why people assume there has to be a compromise between great graphics and a great story, can't we have both?

[1N54N3]

Viglin wrote...
ll trade pretty pictures for a better story and additional gameplay anyday...but there are many hmmmm...newer players...who only see pretty lights.

They could of course have everything DA1 had -with- improved graphics, which I'm sure is what will happen. It's BioWare, the company that never fails to make a great game. Look at ME1 and ME2. Both were great games, and while ME2 may not have had a much improved graphics section, the look and atmosphere was still better...they still cared and tried to make it look better. I think improving the graphics for DA2 will be fine if done right, which Im sure it will be.

[Rolenka]

Er, I'm delighted to hear graphics will be improved. The more advanced the better.

[chiliztri]

I just want some bowstrings...

[EJ42]

Wishpig wrote...

Jesus christ... some people are so damn arrogant it hurts! My two favorite games of all time are X-Com UFO Defense and Dwarf Fortress. Obviously I don't put much stock in graphics.

However some gamers DO put stock in graphics, and on these forums many people mock and talk down to such gamers.

Furthermore it's not black and white. Just because someone wants really good graphics does not mean they don't expect good gameplay/story/ect.

Ok, it's cool to disagree over the importance of graphics vs gameplay. Everyone has different preferences, it's not cool to disrespect them for it though. Getting kind of sick of the elitest crap that is found on everyother thread on these forums.

I know many "mature" (25+ age) gamers IRL, and every single one of them who demands pretty graphics is an idiot.  It's not just about games.  You try to talk to them about anything, and you'll see that their IQ isn't even two points above "ooh shiny!"

It's one thing to complain that something looks bad relative to what its graphics engine is capable of, but it's another thing entirely to complain about the graphics engine itself.  As long as the artists do the best they can with what they have to work with, then the game is respectable.

[Joshd21]

Quote from that website

he game was published for the Windows PC, Playstation 3, XBox 360 and Mac OS X. The graphics are said to be good in the PC version but not much in the PS3 and XBox 360. No comments yet from the Mac version. The first expansion, Dragon Age: Origins – Awakening is set to be released on March 16, 2010 in North America.
Read more: http://dailycontribu.../#ixzz0eQc394kP

Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial


So let me get this straight, because xbox360 users only get an upgrade on their console every six years, same with PS3. The PC verizon has to suffer? The Graphics are fine the way they are. Though this is going turn into World of Warcraft with cartoony looking visuals.

All I know is PC works great, if it wasn't for xbox360 and PS3 they wouldn't have to spend time and resources on it. I know reaching out to all three consoles is a way to gain more profit. This clearly performs better on the PC. Make it a PC game

Now most likely deadlines pushed back, visual graphics tuned down all for the sake of other consoles users can be impressed

[EJ42]

Joshd21 wrote...

Quote from that website

he game was published for the Windows PC, Playstation 3, XBox 360 and Mac OS X. The graphics are said to be good in the PC version but not much in the PS3 and XBox 360. No comments yet from the Mac version. The first expansion, Dragon Age: Origins – Awakening is set to be released on March 16, 2010 in North America.
Read more: http://dailycontribu.../#ixzz0eQc394kP

Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial


So let me get this straight, because xbox360 users only get an upgrade on their console every six years, same with PS3. The PC verizon has to suffer? The Graphics are fine the way they are. Though this is going turn into World of Warcraft with cartoony looking visuals.

All I know is PC works great, if it wasn't for xbox360 and PS3 they wouldn't have to spend time and resources on it. I know reaching out to all three consoles is a way to gain more profit. This clearly performs better on the PC. Make it a PC game

Now most likely deadlines pushed back, visual graphics tuned down all for the sake of other consoles users can be impressed

World of Warcraft's graphics are excellent.  They accomplish exactly what the artists set out to do.  The fact that you don't like their style doesn't make it bad.

Just make sure you're criticizing things appropriately.  Complaining that Venus de Milo isn't colorful enough is just as asinine as complaining that WoW's graphics are too "cartoony" looking.

[Lil-Vinny29]

Its only a normal process to improve graphics. I dont see why some has a problem with this. Surely all of the rest will improve also.



If not, we'll have mutilple threads on they didnt do this and they didnt improved the graphics, the same as DA:O.

[Joshd21]

EJ42 wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

Quote from that website

he game was published for the Windows PC, Playstation 3, XBox 360 and Mac OS X. The graphics are said to be good in the PC version but not much in the PS3 and XBox 360. No comments yet from the Mac version. The first expansion, Dragon Age: Origins – Awakening is set to be released on March 16, 2010 in North America.
Read more: http://dailycontribu.../#ixzz0eQc394kP

Under Creative Commons License: Attribution Non-Commercial


So let me get this straight, because xbox360 users only get an upgrade on their console every six years, same with PS3. The PC verizon has to suffer? The Graphics are fine the way they are. Though this is going turn into World of Warcraft with cartoony looking visuals.

All I know is PC works great, if it wasn't for xbox360 and PS3 they wouldn't have to spend time and resources on it. I know reaching out to all three consoles is a way to gain more profit. This clearly performs better on the PC. Make it a PC game

Now most likely deadlines pushed back, visual graphics tuned down all for the sake of other consoles users can be impressed

World of Warcraft's graphics are excellent.  They accomplish exactly what the artists set out to do.  The fact that you don't like their style doesn't make it bad.

Just make sure you're criticizing things appropriately.  Complaining that Venus de Milo isn't colorful enough is just as asinine as complaining that WoW's graphics are too "cartoony" looking.

World of Warcraft graphics compared to dragon age are ment to play on nearly every platform. Let me ask you a question, in Warcraft when you fight someone in PVP mode. Do you see any blood?, do you see any visual detail other then they slowly fall on the ground with an arm reaching out to the air

World of Warcraft graphics im my own thought compared to dragon age, are dull, boring and lack actual detail. In Dragon Age, you are able to cut someone's head clear off, and watch the blood pump from their neck as they fall on their knees on the ground.

In Warcraft, the person simply falls down on the ground. I agree, that Warcraft graphics are good compared to EQ2 but they are cartoony. If you saw how Warcraft was first made, they actually looked like real people. Somewhere long the line that switched

I am Criticzing things appropriatly face someone else may not agree with my point of view does not make my point invalid, and does not mean it's wrong. It's simply a difference of thought. Cartoony, Cartoons, yes because they are mostly full of color

Offer little detail on the persons face, little detail in combat expect for spells. Let's be honest, it looks like a cartoon show, even some wow fans would agree with the statment and said it needs a overall on the graphics.

Aion for example is good on visual display

[Stompi]

Dragon Age 2 won't be released tomorrow, so it is not surprising that it will have better graphics. Just compare Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2. There were already some complaints about the first game's graphics, while I thought the PC version looked quite good.



While I personally couldn't care less about graphics, it contributes to the game's atmosphere. Dragon Age was the first game with a new engine, there is certainly some room for improvements.

Bioware isn't some small developer team, it probably won't hurt other aspects of the game.

[bconk55]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

  http://dailycontribu...on-age-2/11245/


I never read this link before please for the love of Ferelden do NOT change the artsyle of DA2 or sacrifice ONE single thing for better graphics. ME is a greta series but it is nothing in comparison to DA:O & all of it's seemingly endless content. Do NOT stab all of yuor fans in the back for a bunch of children on consoles who need shiny stuff!!! I doubt this will get through or change anything but I can hope!!!!! haha

Jesus, people will turn anything into a platform war. Preference for graphics has nothing to do with what platform you game on (in fact, one reason to choose a PC over, say, an Xbox 360 is the potential for superior visual performance). Playing on a PC does not make you a superior gamer to someone who plays on Xbox 360 or PS3, and they are not mutually exclusive.

I doubt very many DA:O fans want to see story or gameplay sacrificed for graphics, but all that article says is that the visuals will be better in the sequel. That's kind of expected.

Modifié par bconk55, 03 février 2010 - 12:55 .

[Feraele]

Well I guess the graphics in Wow are okay..for what they're meant to do. But from an artistic point of view, for the longest time, night elves had huge hands and feet. The hands dangled below their knees...in a Neanderthal knuckledragging way. I guess alot wouldn't notice that sort of thing ..but I do because I sketch. Even in DA:O I note some things like hands being a bit large ..etc Proportions are noticeable..(to me at least) Hair, shouldn't be a lump of plastic on the head..its alive ..moves with light breezes. Facial expressions especially with the eyes and mouth, should look alive and not deadpan.

But in a cartoony atmosphere ..some of that can be dropped...

[thegoldfinch]

traversc wrote...

/agree with OP.

Kinda off topic, but this is why District 9 was at LEAST 10x better than Avatar.

This, this, this, yay! Anyone bringing up District 9 invokes my girly squeal reflex! Fookin prawns!

Anyway. I have full faith in the DA team's abilities. They never disappointed me on any front in the first game and I can't see them starting to in a sequal. My only hope is that "better graphics" can mean "even more amazing and dream-like scenery". I would love to see more scenes that had the magic that the concept art catches, since a lot of time it gets lost in translation.

[Elanareon]

E2 was terribly stripped down! Less skills, no items, terrible gameplay skillwise. If it didn't have a bioware story i'd label it as another shooter game...