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[EJ42]

Joshd21 wrote...

World of Warcraft graphics compared to dragon age are ment to play on nearly every platform. Let me ask you a question, in Warcraft when you fight someone in PVP mode. Do you see any blood?, do you see any visual detail other then they slowly fall on the ground with an arm reaching out to the air

There is no blood because it is not intended to be there.  The presence of blood and other gore affect the game's ESRB rating.

World of Warcraft graphics im my own thought compared to dragon age, are dull, boring and lack actual detail. In Dragon Age, you are able to cut someone's head clear off, and watch the blood pump from their neck as they fall on their knees on the ground.

Again, that is a stylistic criticism.  World of Warcraft is not about gory, violent graphics.  You do not like the artistic direction they decided to pursue.  That says nothing about the quality of their work.

In Warcraft, the person simply falls down on the ground. I agree, that Warcraft graphics are good compared to EQ2 but they are cartoony. If you saw how Warcraft was first made, they actually looked like real people. Somewhere long the line that switched

You cannot properly compare World of Warcraft to EQ2 or even EQ because they do not share the same artistic style.  World of Warcraft is not GTA:O.

I am Criticzing things appropriatly face someone else may not agree with my point of view does not make my point invalid, and does not mean it's wrong. It's simply a difference of thought. Cartoony, Cartoons, yes because they are mostly full of color

Offer little detail on the persons face, little detail in combat expect for spells. Let's be honest, it looks like a cartoon show, even some wow fans would agree with the statment and said it needs a overall on the graphics.

You're criticizing it for the wrong reasons, and you've just plead my case for me.  Again, you are complaining about WoW's style, not about how well they executed on it.

Aion for example is good on visual display

Aion does not share the same artistic style as WoW.  You do not like Blizzard's look and feel, so you would obviously have a preference for something that looks different.  It doesn't make Aion better or WoW worse.

Even if Blizzard increased the polygon count of WoW one thousandfold, you would still not like how it looks because they are not going for photo-realism.  Go ahead, and complain that Bugs Bunny looks "too cartoony" as well.  He's supposed to.

Try taking a look at Paper Mario or Zelda: The Wind Waker.  Both accomplished exactly what they set out to do, and they did it extremely well.  Maybe you don't like the cel-shaded look that Nintendo went with in The Wind Waker, but that doesn't mean they did anything wrong.

I happen to find WoW's graphics a breath of fresh air in the midst of all the failed attempts at photo-realism.  Try looking up the Uncanny Valley.  Falling just short of true photo-realism looks much worse than doing the "Toy Story" look well.

[Kevin Lynch]

Don't turn this thread too far away from discussing DA:O and onto debating the qualities of other games. Keep it DA:O-related. Thanks.

[Joshd21]

EJ42 wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

World of Warcraft graphics compared to dragon age are ment to play on nearly every platform. Let me ask you a question, in Warcraft when you fight someone in PVP mode. Do you see any blood?, do you see any visual detail other then they slowly fall on the ground with an arm reaching out to the air

There is no blood because it is not intended to be there.  The presence of blood and other gore affect the game's ESRB rating.

World of Warcraft graphics im my own thought compared to dragon age, are dull, boring and lack actual detail. In Dragon Age, you are able to cut someone's head clear off, and watch the blood pump from their neck as they fall on their knees on the ground.

Again, that is a stylistic criticism.  World of Warcraft is not about gory, violent graphics.  You do not like the artistic direction they decided to pursue.  That says nothing about the quality of their work.

In Warcraft, the person simply falls down on the ground. I agree, that Warcraft graphics are good compared to EQ2 but they are cartoony. If you saw how Warcraft was first made, they actually looked like real people. Somewhere long the line that switched

You cannot properly compare World of Warcraft to EQ2 or even EQ because they do not share the same artistic style.  World of Warcraft is not GTA:O.

I am Criticzing things appropriatly face someone else may not agree with my point of view does not make my point invalid, and does not mean it's wrong. It's simply a difference of thought. Cartoony, Cartoons, yes because they are mostly full of color

Offer little detail on the persons face, little detail in combat expect for spells. Let's be honest, it looks like a cartoon show, even some wow fans would agree with the statment and said it needs a overall on the graphics.

You're criticizing it for the wrong reasons, and you've just plead my case for me.  Again, you are complaining about WoW's style, not about how well they executed on it.

Aion for example is good on visual display

Aion does not share the same artistic style as WoW.  You do not like Blizzard's look and feel, so you would obviously have a preference for something that looks different.  It doesn't make Aion better or WoW worse.

Even if Blizzard increased the polygon count of WoW one thousandfold, you would still not like how it looks because they are not going for photo-realism.  Go ahead, and complain that Bugs Bunny looks "too cartoony" as well.  He's supposed to.

Try taking a look at Paper Mario or Zelda: The Wind Waker.  Both accomplished exactly what they set out to do, and they did it extremely well.  Maybe you don't like the cel-shaded look that Nintendo went with in The Wind Waker, but that doesn't mean they did anything wrong.

I happen to find WoW's graphics a breath of fresh air in the midst of all the failed attempts at photo-realism.  Try looking up the Uncanny Valley.  Falling just short of true photo-realism looks much worse than doing the "Toy Story" look well.

Twist this fact any which way best fits your personal perference. Just because simply you don't like the fact I say Warcraft Graphics are old and outdated also Cartoony, you go on the offensive to counter attack that let's look at some information.

Mass Effect One, a is not an old game. The graphics are there are not impressive and when I say graphics, I am not speaking about Game Tatics, not speaking of Virtual Combat, speaking about the graphics in which the game shows itself.

Mass Effect two only after a few years that Mass Effect did. The graphics are amazing, the visual display even if it was rated T for Teen still are impressive and you could aruge it's one of the best visual effect graphics display in history..you can aruge that..

In Warcraft since it's released about seven or nine year's ago has not changed on it's visual display and yes speaking in terms of graphics. You can't watch your PC hair blow slightly in the breeze, you can't see for PC in full detail. In fact

You look like every other PC inside the game, expect with a few minor details attachments. Now they did release Litch King and The expansion Burning Crusade /small soft clap

You may not like it, not enjoy it. Though Warcraft graphics are badly outdated, the system is very plain and it's nearly recycled trash in the expansion upcoming where things from a landscape view have a different look to it. It doesn't take the smartest person in the world to figure out the graphics suck for lack of a better word

I am not just speaking from smoke. I have played warcraft for five years. And it looks as plain and boring, lifeless would be the word as it did when the first patch for it came out. Only good minor thing is they add a cutsecne which last's 2:30 to every patch

However back on topic. i believe the graphics are fine in Dragon Age the way they are. Though if they could somehow transform this to make graphics look even more amazing, without dumbing it down so xbox260 and PS3 consoles have exact same look at the PC

I would be impressed, but just how much can they improve? the game already looks nice, full of color and life. I don't see a flaw in it's graphic's if anything I thought it was one of the first game of its kind to put a high standreds for graphics/visual display

Though I am interested, just wanting to be certain. This new graphics are in no way taking anything away so every console get's the exact same view. Let's take a step foward's not two step backwards

[Highdragonslayer]

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

[spernus]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

They aren't,but let them think they are. That's why going to the rpg codex and laughing at the elitists can be hilarious.

[Elanareon]

not everyone is american ok? You shouldn't judge people's intellect based on grammar. For all you know he might be a freakin millionaire chinese and your an american who lives in an apartment.

[Joshd21]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

What the hell are you..the grammer police, we are talking about the game itself not trying to correct each other's grammer/spelling if you are interested in a game that does so go play Warcraft, btw..no one asked you what you thought about the grammer

[Highdragonslayer]

Joshd21 wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

What the hell are you..the grammer police, we are talking about the game itself not trying to correct each other's grammer/spelling if you are interested in a game that does so go play Warcraft, btw..no one asked you what you thought about the grammer

     I don't mind typos but when it gets to a point when I can barely read what the person is saying, and can make only make out "console kiddies" it pisses me off.

*edit*

    Maybe it isn't the grammar that pisses me off but it's the fact that people are talking down to console users. Not everyone can afford a good computer for games.

Modifié par Highdragonslayer, 03 février 2010 - 04:56 .

[JaymesGaGa]

Epixx!!!!111oneone!!1`

[Aviena]

Joshd21 wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

What the hell are you..the grammer police, we are talking about the game itself not trying to correct each other's grammer/spelling if you are interested in a game that does so go play Warcraft, btw..no one asked you what you thought about the grammer

Now THAT made me laugh. If you're concerned about grammar, whatever you do, DON'T even touch WoW. Your head might explode.

On a side note though, I get annoyed at ridiculously bad grammar as well. If English is your second language: sure, whatever. But it does bother me having to read a sentence three times before I can decipher it.

[Joshd21]

Highdragonslayer wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

What the hell are you..the grammer police, we are talking about the game itself not trying to correct each other's grammer/spelling if you are interested in a game that does so go play Warcraft, btw..no one asked you what you thought about the grammer

     I don't mind typos but when it gets to a point when I can barely read what the person is saying, and can make only make out "console kiddies" it pisses me off.

*edit*

    Maybe it isn't the grammar that pisses me off but it's the fact that people are talking down to console users. Not everyone can afford a good computer for games.

So you're real issue, is not the grammer itself. It's the fact the way console users are being spoken about...using the grammer as an excuse to make a snide little comment. I believe I'm done with this thread. It has ceased to being an actual topic

Now it's more on attacking each other for speaking about how console users drag down every game. If you can hardly read it, don't read it. No one is forcing a gun to your head. Don't like way I speak about console users, don't read it

Now have a good day

[cipher86]

How about "Bioware YES"?  DA:O is a great game, but everything visually seems subpar, especially when compared to ME2.  I'd go as far as saying that DA:O is just slightly better (visually) than ME1.  Not much detail to the textures, and a lot of the world just seems to have a constant "blur" effect going on.

I'm 100% for a visual upgrade, but I still want a quality game.  If Bioware can pull both off (like they've proven with ME2), I see no reason why gamers should be against this.

[Jae Onasi]

OnionXI wrote...
The character models is my main gripe about the graphics.

Even sexier Alistair and Zevran buns, please.  I am a woman who has a deep appreciation for male anatomy. 

I suppose it would be too much to ask for Jolee Bindo to show up in DA.....

[Rendar666]

traversc wrote...

/agree with OP.

Kinda off topic, but this is why District 9 was at LEAST 10x better than Avatar.

Really? REALLY? District 9 was the most dissapointing movie I've seen in ages! So over-hyped and so totally not worth even renting. "Fooking prawns!" every 2 seconds really didn't help and I actually laughed during the movie at the theatre.

Avatar, on the other hand, was amazing. Especially awesome in 3D.

U r teh lamez doods. Avatar r gud and disstrict nein is not vry gud in mi opnon. thats my opnion.

[Highdragonslayer]

Rendar666 wrote...

traversc wrote...

/agree with OP.

Kinda off topic, but this is why District 9 was at LEAST 10x better than Avatar.

Really? REALLY? District 9 was the most dissapointing movie I've seen in ages! So over-hyped and so totally not worth even renting. "Fooking prawns!" every 2 seconds really didn't help and I actually laughed during the movie at the theatre.

Avatar, on the other hand, was amazing. Especially awesome in 3D.

U r teh lamez doods. Avatar r gud and disstrict nein is not vry gud in mi opnon. thats my opnion.

District 9= OMGZ TEH HUMENZ R TEH EVILZ CUZ THEY ARE RASIST 

Avatar= OMGZ TEH HUMENZ R TEH EVILZ CUZ THEY KILL DA TREES!

[Boopie-Ne]

cipher86 wrote...

How about "Bioware YES"?  DA:O is a great game, but everything visually seems subpar, especially when compared to ME2.  I'd go as far as saying that DA:O is just slightly better (visually) than ME1.  Not much detail to the textures, and a lot of the world just seems to have a constant "blur" effect going on.

I'm 100% for a visual upgrade, but I still want a quality game.  If Bioware can pull both off (like they've proven with ME2), I see no reason why gamers should be against this.

I agree.  Here's hoping that BioWare can pull of better graphics and still keep quality gameplay and storytelling, like with ME2, which was a pleasant surprise.

[Mercuron]

Improving the console textures wouldn't be unwelcome. I actually didn't notice Leliana had blue eyes until I saw the PC version.

[Wournos]

rogue1983 wrote...

I doubt most console owners are under the age of 16 so op you need to get off your elitist high horse nuff said.

Would be nice if those who claim these things could back up their comment with statistics.
31 year old here. *waves*

[team56th]

lol, better graphic is a problem?

[Wournos]

Joshd21 wrote...

Highdragonslayer wrote...

     The grammar in this thread is terrible, I honestly can't tell if some of you are speaking english, or puncuation and numbers. It really makes me doubt how PC gamers are intellectually superior to "console kiddies".

What the hell are you..the grammer police, we are talking about the game itself not trying to correct each other's grammer/spelling if you are interested in a game that does so go play Warcraft, btw..no one asked you what you thought about the grammer

You know, it does tire the brain tremendously to have to re-read a post over and over to fill in the punctuation etc on your own. If you want your posts to be read in the future (by myself, mostly), write properly.

[wanderon]

Back on topic I mostly agree with the OP's take at least in spirit - I prefer the devs completely ignore the requests for better graphics and more shinys and concentrate on content, story, and well fleshed out companions and other NPCs.



I think the current graphics are fine and for the most part NO you can't have both - games are made on a budget and thus to do X and Y you will have to water both down to fit the budget over doing just X or just Y. I'd prefer none of the budget is "wasted" on graphics myself. YMMV

[TheLion36]

I don't mind a graphics engine overhaul, although I don't feel its necessary... I do hope however that if they do update the graphics that they won't sacrife the way the characters look now, with that I mean if a current companion or character from the story returns I do hope they don't look too different... I remember barely recognizing Sharwyn from NWN when she returned in an expansion and there are more than one example I could provide where a returning character can only be identified by name...

[Stonetwister]

Amazing how anyone can be against better graphics. I guess you will find someone against any kind of improvement.

[Jae Onasi]

I'm happy with the graphics, to be honest, but I have the artistic capacity of a dead amoeba, so take that opinion for what it's worth. Better graphics would just be a nice little extra. If I had to choose between higher quality story and higher quality graphics, I'm going to choose story every single time. If they have the budget to do both, even better.

[SleeplessInSigil]

If Dragon Age II used Fallout 4's engine it would cure cancer and bring an end to world poverty.